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[Little Jr]

sounds like I'm in trouble.

LOL!! I don't know about trouble but you're about to get a ear full or I guess an eye full. You'll see.:laugh2: I wouldnt mind seeing us draft Rice either. I'm just not quite impressed with as theo.

 

[jrumann59]

I don't think so. I like Rice. He's got the size I like in a RB. He's fast enough although nowhere in the same league as Jones. He doesn't have the moves that Jones or Kevin Smith have. But I think he will be on a NFL roster in four years. He can return kicks but he doesn't have the vision, cutback ability, or broken field running ability of Jones. He doesn't even run as well as K Smith, Stewart, or the IL back. JMO.

So why did we get rid of JuJo then. If Rice is like JuJo, the so called pile magnet.

 

[AbeBeta]

Id rather have Betts, but Cartwright isn't bad.

Those are both good backs -- I really think we need two guys - Barber is exciting but he's not a 20 carry a game guy. Guys who get a ton of carries have to conserve energy - Barber won't do that, he goes all out on every play, even when it is a bad idea. But that's his game and that's what makes him fun to watch and more importantly, tough to play against. My bet is that we get a 1st day back (that's a 1 or 2 now) and go RB/return guy in Round 4 or so.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

sounds like I'm in trouble.

not really

 

[Little Jr]

Those are both good backs -- I really think we need two guys - Barber is exciting but he's not a 20 carry a game guy. Guys who get a ton of carries have to conserve energy - Barber won't do that, he goes all out on every play, even when it is a bad idea. But that's his game and that's what makes him fun to watch and more importantly, tough to play against. My bet is that we get a 1st day back (that's a 1 or 2 now) and go RB/return guy in Round 4 or so.

I think he can. People always say he can't but he's never had too. I dont see how anyone can say he cant until the proves he cant.

 

[AmishGangsta]

I'm actually shocked that he re-signed with the Skins. Even if he's a little overpaid, atleast some of these home grown guys are being rewarded, rather than some over-hyped player from some other city -- cough Archuletta - Lloyd cough.

It appeared as if he was looking to find a place where he could get a #2 back type workload.

He can run -- in limited opportunity, but he doesn't have the size to be a an every down runner, his body can't handle the workload.

 

[AbeBeta]

I think he can. People always say he can't but he's never had too. I dont see how anyone can say he cant until the proves he cant.

I don't see how you can say that he CAN without him proving that.

We have a back who has NEVER carried the load by himself at any level. The burden of proof is on him and so far, two coaching staffs have felt that he can't carry that sort of load.

This isn't a knock on Barber. But he is what he is and what he isn't is a 300 carry a season back.

 

[Little Jr]

I don't see how you can say that he CAN without him proving that.

THINK HE CAN. I dont know if he can. I'm not going to say he CAN'T without at least seeing.

We have a back who has NEVER carried the load by himself at any level. The burden of proof is on him and so far, two coaching staffs have felt that he can't carry that sort of load.

Well as far as college goes when you have him and Maroney, there is nothing wrong with getting both of them carries. His rookie year I had no problem with how they use him. The last 2 I THINK both coaching staffs made a mistake by not getting more carries. You have JJ at 3.6ypc and Barber at 4.8ypc. last year but yet they still was giving JJ the rock around 10 times and Barber around 12 a game. Made no sense to me. You have RB who sparks the O and one who consistently runs into the back of the OL.

This isn't a knock on Barber. But he is what he is and what he isn't is a 300 carry a season back.

He would have to carry the ball around 7 more times a game to get 300 carries. I just cant see why he couldn't and I think he'll get his shot this year. I just never understood why people say HE CAN'T do it. He carried it 27 times against the Giants and still avg. his season 4.8ypc. Can he do it over the whole season? I don't know. But niether does anyone else.

 

[CliffnDallas]

Bonanza!

 

[theogt]

No he isn't. His size and strength are at question. But he's a Reggie Bush type player.



I don't think so. I like Rice. He's got the size I like in a RB. He's fast enough although nowhere in the same league as Jones. He doesn't have the moves that Jones or Kevin Smith have. But I think he will be on a NFL roster in four years. He can return kicks but he doesn't have the vision, cutback ability, or broken field running ability of Jones. He doesn't even run as well as K Smith, Stewart, or the IL back. JMO.

No offense, but you have to be blind to think that Rice doesn't have the vision and cutback ability of Felix Jones. Rice's lateral agility is world-class. He's a much more complete back than Jones. He'll be much more durable and will be loads more productive.

 

[L-O-Jete]

No offense, but you have to be blind to think that Rice doesn't have the vision and cutback ability of Felix Jones. Rice's lateral agility is world-class. He's a much more complete back than Jones. He'll be much more durable and will be loads more productive.

I tend to agree

 

[AbeBeta]

He would have to carry the ball around 7 more times a game to get 300 carries. I just cant see why he couldn't and I think he'll get his shot this year. I just never understood why people say HE CAN'T do it. He carried it 27 times against the Giants and still avg. his season 4.8ypc. Can he do it over the whole season? I don't know. But niether does anyone else.

Ya see, averages are stupid things when you don't use them right.

First half 16-101 -- an awesome half of play from Barber. Those 16 carries are about where he'd be each game as a 250 carry a season back.

The next 11 carries? 28 yards. Not even 3 YPC.

A guy who is going to be a 300+ yard carry a game back needs to get stronger as the game goes on. Even after 2 weeks off and little work the week before that, Barber didn't.

I think if you need evidence that he isn't the kind of back who can carry the entire load, you've got it right there.

Again, I'm not knocking Barber - but he is what he is -- a guy who goes all out on every play -- great to watch but it isn't a formula that makes him a good fit to carry the entire load.

 

[theogt]

I really don't think a game in which Barber had 100+ yards in one half is a game that anyone could point to as evidence that he can't be a full-time back. Yes, he had a bad 2nd half, but let's get real.

I don't think there's enough evidence one way or the other to say whether he'll be successful as a 300+ carry back. But I'd rather not depend on ANY back to have to run that many times in a season.

 

[Little Jr]

Ya see, averages are stupid things when you don't use them right.

First half 16-101 -- an awesome half of play from Barber. Those 16 carries are about where he'd be each game as a 250 carry a season back.

The next 11 carries? 28 yards. Not even 3 YPC.

A guy who is going to be a 300+ yard carry a game back needs to get stronger as the game goes on. Even after 2 weeks off and little work the week before that, Barber didn't.

I think if you need evidence that he isn't the kind of back who can carry the entire load, you've got it right there.

Again, I'm not knocking Barber - but he is what he is -- a guy who goes all out on every play -- great to watch but it isn't a formula that makes him a good fit to carry the entire load.

We can all manipulate the #'s. He had 3 carries in the 4th. Horrible play calling. Here is 3 games where had around 20 carries. Does it prove he can do it over the whole season. No. But it does show he has the ability.


MBIII vs Minn- 19 carries 96yds 5.1 ypc

1st half 4 carries 15yds 3.7 ypc

2nd half 15 carries 81yds 5,4 ypc

You might say it's because he was still fresh from the 1st half. I could say he needs the ball more in the 2nd half. He gets strong as the game goes on. In the 4th qt of this game he got the ball 9 straight times in one drive and ran for 64 yds at 7.1ypc.


MBIII vs Jets- 18 carries 103yds 5.7ypc

1st half 5 carries 24yds 4.8ypc

2nd half 13 carries 79yds 6.0ypc

Same here!!


MBIII vs Car.- 22 carries 110yds 5.0ypc

1st half 14 carries 82yds 5.8ypc

2nd half 8 carries 28yds 2.5ypc


Heres a game for you similar to the Giants game. His 2nd half was worst than his 1st. Even the great ones didnt rush better in the 2nd every single game. I could also say it's becasue he didnt get the carries.



I agree with theo. I can't believe I do but I do. There really no evidence that he can or can't. I THINK he can but there is no way someone can say he ISN'T a 20 carry guy.

 

[AbeBeta]

You might say it's because he was still fresh from the 1st half. I could say he needs the ball more in the 2nd half. He gets strong as the game goes on. In the 4th qt of this game he got the ball 9 straight times in one drive and ran for 64 yds at 7.1ypc.

apples and oranges -- you show games where he carried more in the 2nd half - in Minn, he was 9 - 64 in garbage time. we were running out the clock on a defense that was gassed - he broke a couple of 20+ yard runs in garbage time.

same deal-eo against the Jets. 10-54 in garbage time.

Carolina was the only game where he got the ball early -- and what happened, looks just like the Giant game.

My point is and has been for some time -- Barber's style takes a toll on him during the game. He seems to have a max of 15 carries a game. After that he runs out of gas.

Don't get me wrong, he's a great back. But he's not a guy that can be that 20 carry a game player. That just doesn't fit him at all.

 

[Little Jr]

apples and oranges -- you show games where he carried more in the 2nd half - in Minn, he was 9 - 64 in garbage time. we were running out the clock on a defense that was gassed - he broke a couple of 20+ yard runs in garbage time.

same deal-eo against the Jets. 10-54 in garbage time.

Carolina was the only game where he got the ball early -- and what happened, looks just like the Giant game.

My point is and has been for some time -- Barber's style takes a toll on him during the game. He seems to have a max of 15 carries a game. After that he runs out of gas.

Don't get me wrong, he's a great back. But he's not a guy that can be that 20 carry a game player. That just doesn't fit him at all.

Being up by only a TD with 5 min. left is garbage time? Really? Going into the 3rd qt we was down by 7. He had 3 carries for 13 yds at 4.3ypc. Going into the 4th qt. we up by 7. He had 11 carries for 67 yds at 6.0ypc. Being down by 7 and up by 7 isnt garbage time in the NFL.

The jet game I cant disaree. Although we was up and they knew we was running but still couldnt stop should say something. Guess not.

The Car. game. Funny how you you take those #'s and use them for your reasoning for him not bieng a 20 carry guy. But yet you dismiss the others as GARBAGE TIME. Going into the 3rd qt. we was down by 7. He had 4 carries for .75ypc. There you have your argument. Going into the 4th qt. we up by only 7. He had 6 carries for 26yds and 4.3ypc. I will never call being down by 7 or up by 7 in the 3qt or 4th qt garbage time in the NFL.


Look. I'm not a stat guy most of the time. But if you can look at these and still manipulate them for argument that he ISN'T a 20+ carry back. Well you have beat me down with you ignorance and I give up.

 

[AbeBeta]

Being up by only a TD with 5 min. left is garbage time? Really? Going into the 3rd qt we was down by 7. He had 3 carries for 13 yds at 4.3ypc. Going into the 4th qt. we up by 7. He had 11 carries for 67 yds at 6.0ypc. Being down by 7 and up by 7 isnt garbage time in the NFL.

First of all, we were up 24-14. Perhaps your math skills are poor. That's 10 points. We were going against a Minn team that a) had a single time out remaining and b) had been totally ineffective on offense all day -- that is garbage time. The game was over and everyone knew it.

The Car. game. Funny how you you take those #'s and use them for your reasoning for him not bieng a 20 carry guy. But yet you dismiss the others as GARBAGE TIME. Going into the 3rd qt. we was down by 7. He had 4 carries for .75ypc. There you have your argument. Going into the 4th qt. we up by only 7. He had 6 carries for 26yds and 4.3ypc. I will never call being down by 7 or up by 7 in the 3qt or 4th qt garbage time in the NFL.

Funny how you ignore the point here. I never called that game garbage time -- I said look what happened in the other game where he got the ball early. He didn't have great production late.