Rock & Roll Hall of Fame

[CouchCoach]

I'm not a fan of letting in rap artists. I get that there is some relationship, but there are a lot of true rock and roll artists that are not in. Bad Company, Doobie Brothers and Jethro Tull are bands that jump out to me as omissions. I can appreciate that it takes time to get all deserving bands in, but R&R artists should get in before rap artists.

And what about Steppenwolf - the band that gave birth to the term "heavy metal"

And if you are going to put in a rock and roll chick from the 70's/80's, wouldn't Pat Benatar go in before Joan Jett?

Agree with those 3 bands but Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath coined the term "heavy metal". Steppenwolf was great but not in the heavy metal genre.

And it has always pissed me off when people, writers, that should know better credit Zep with the creation of metal. That pisses Plant and Paige off too because they feel metal is a restrictive genre and some of the best stuff they ever did was from the acoustic genre.

Everyone in this thread has brought up artists/bands that have been shunned and delayed and there is no rhyme or reason to the selection process and the R&R HOF is too inclusive. Blues and Soul and Rap deserve their own HOF's. Chicago or Memphis should have the Blues HOF, Detroit the Soul and LA the Rap. None of those three forms are R&R to me. I don't think it is to them either as 2 of those preceded R&R.

And Washington DC should have the Idiots HOF.

 

[OmerV]

This was the acceptance speech the RRHOF deserved. They left Rush out for years because the RRHOF has always essentially been Jann Wenner's personal circle jerk and he's a pretentious ******. There is literally no rhyme or reason for why and who and when. Thin Lizzy is a glaring omission. Motorhead is another. You could argue that Iron Maiden is THE iconic 80s Heavy Metal band. John Coltrane had about as great an influence on Rock and Roll as any one individual. Motley Crue was an absolute stalwart in the 80s and early 90s. I'm not a huge Radiohead fan but it doesn't take a genius to understand their influence. The list is so long you have to laugh at the credibility of the place.

There is a long list, but in fairness the R&R HOF has only existed about 30 years, and the only way they could have caught up with every deserving artist/group would have been to induct a slew of people all at once. They are still inducting older artists/groups, so hopefully they will get it at least close to right over time.

But I still don't like the inclusion of rap artists when there are so many true rock artists not in, or even precursors to rock that paved the way.

 

[OmerV]

Agree with those 3 bands but Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath coined the term "heavy metal". Steppenwolf was great but not in the heavy metal genre.

And it has always pissed me off when people, writers, that should know better credit Zep with the creation of metal. That pisses Plant and Paige off too because they feel metal is a restrictive genre and some of the best stuff they ever did was from the acoustic genre.

Everyone in this thread has brought up artists/bands that have been shunned and delayed and there is no rhyme or reason to the selection process and the R&R HOF is too inclusive. Blues and Soul and Rap deserve their own HOF's. Chicago or Memphis should have the Blues HOF, Detroit the Soul and LA the Rap. None of those three forms are R&R to me. I don't think it is to them either as 2 of those preceded R&R.

And Washington DC should have the Idiots HOF.

I can't say for sure about the origin of "heavy metal", but the words "heavy metal" were in Born to be Wild, released in 1968, and Black Sabbath was just being formed in 1968. Maybe Iommi is just the one that first applied it to a genre of music?

In any case, I didn't mean to suggest Steppenwolf was "heavy metal", although they were a heavier form of rock music than most bands in the late 60's. I just meant to indicate they put the term "heavy metal" into the public consciousness.

I agree about Zepplin. Some of what they did could be called metal, but they did a lot of blues and acoustic stuff too.

I have some disagreement with you on the blues being included in the R&R HOF. Clapton, Zepplin, The Beatles, Hendricks, the Stones, Pink Floyd, ZZ Top, and countless other top rock artists will tell you that their inspiration and the foundation for much of rock and roll came from the blues. And you can hear it in a lot of their work. The great guitar of Jimmy Page, Clapton, Beck, Joe Perry, Hendricks, Richards, Dickey Betts, Duane Allman, Fogerty and so many others was founded in the blues. Clapton really thought of himself as a blues artist when he started out - I think for the most part he still does. Hendricks was really a bluesman. Janis Joplin was blues. What I think is Led Zepplins best song (Since I've Been Loving You) is a blues song. The blues seems much too intertwined with, and at the foundation of rock and roll to be excluded.

 

[Runwildboys]

I can't say for sure about the origin of "heavy metal", but the words "heavy metal" were in Born to be Wild, released in 1968, and Black Sabbath was just being formed in 1968. Maybe Iommi is just the one that first applied it to a genre of music?

In any case, I didn't mean to suggest Steppenwolf was "heavy metal", although they were a heavier form of rock music than most bands in the late 60's. I just meant to indicate they put the term "heavy metal" into the public consciousness.

I agree about Zepplin. Some of what they did could be called metal, but they did a lot of blues and acoustic stuff too.

I have some disagreement with you on the blues being included in the R&R HOF. Clapton, Zepplin, The Beatles, Hendricks, the Stones, Pink Floyd, ZZ Top, and countless other top rock artists will tell you that their inspiration and the foundation for much of rock and roll came from the blues. And you can hear it in a lot of their work. The great guitar of Jimmy Page, Clapton, Beck, Joe Perry, Hendricks, Richards, Dickey Betts, Duane Allman, Fogerty and so many others was founded in the blues. Clapton really thought of himself as a blues artist when he started out - I think for the most part he still does. Hendricks was really a bluesman. Janis Joplin was blues. What I think is Led Zepplins best song (Since I've Been Loving You) is a blues song. The blues seems much too intertwined with, and at the foundation of rock and roll to be excluded.

It took me a minute to realize you meant Hendrix. Lol

I think the electric blues artists should be included in the R n' R HOF, but a lot of the earlier stuff is so far from rock, it should be in its own genre.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

How long until they induct non RnR artists, those that have shifted the culture since 2000?

Speaking in terms of Drake, Lil Wayne, and their elk.

I don't think Fall Out Boy or Panic at the Disco deserve it but think they'' get it.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

There is a long list, but in fairness the R&R HOF has only existed about 30 years, and the only way they could have caught up with every deserving artist/group would have been to induct a slew of people all at once. They are still inducting older artists/groups, so hopefully they will get it at least close to right over time.

But I still don't like the inclusion of rap artists when there are so many true rock artists not in, or even precursors to rock that paved the way.

You have made some great points in this thread, but I will respectfully disagree about the “fairness” line. There are some mediocre, barely blips on the radar types in the HOF at the expense of deserving artists. The Hall has too often been a collection of those who kissed Wenner’s butt and those he personally liked.

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

You have made some great points in this thread, but I will respectfully disagree about the “fairness” line. There are some mediocre, barely blips on the radar types in the HOF at the expense of deserving artists. The Hall has too often been a collection of those who kissed Wenner’s butt and those he personally liked.

Speaking of Bon Jovi...…...

 

[Runwildboys]

Y'all think too much about which millionaires deserve more recognition.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Y'all think too much about which millionaires deserve more recognition.

You do realize we are on a forum dedicated to same

 

[Runwildboys]

You do realize we are on a forum dedicated to same

I don't give much thought to which players should be in the Football HoF either.

 

[lukin2006]

Y'all think too much about which millionaires deserve more recognition.

Excellent point...

 

[OmerV]

It took me a minute to realize you meant Hendrix. Lol

I think the electric blues artists should be included in the R n' R HOF, but a lot of the earlier stuff is so far from rock, it should be in its own genre.

Sorry about the spelling. I don't think when I type - you know that.

Valid point about electric blues.

 

[OmerV]

You have made some great points in this thread, but I will respectfully disagree about the “fairness” line. There are some mediocre, barely blips on the radar types in the HOF at the expense of deserving artists. The Hall has too often been a collection of those who kissed Wenner’s butt and those he personally liked.

My point about fairness wasn't to say they have made all the right choices, and I think my earlier posts make it clear I don't think they have. I was just saying that there are a lot of deserving people and there has been a limited amount of time to catch up.