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Bonecrusher#31;2775452 said:
The Lakeshow is making me sweat but I'm sure they will take care of business Sunday and that will be it for you bandwagoneers.:)

At least you showed up to take your medicine, BC. I like that about you.

The Lakers have only been beaten wire-to-wire twice this whole year. And the dealer BOTH times?

Rocketpower, baby.



Good luck and see ya Sunday, brother. May the best team win.
 

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Gemini Dolly;2775458 said:
As I thought, Game 7. I cant believe the Lakers let a Yaoless, Tracyless, team get them to 7. Pathetic.

There is nothing pathetic about a team exemplifying the word "character" - see: sum greater than the total of their parts.

No Yao. No McGrady.

I have NO DOUBT the Rockets would whoop the Lakers with even one of those guys healthy. And yet it's still conceivable they may get it done with NEITHER of them.

If I'm a Laker fan - I'm not exactly bragging about now.

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ROCKETS!

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The Lakers are a joke. Kind of remind me of the Cowboys in alot of ways. Talented..superstars..lots of bandwagon fans..always being annointed "Champion contenders" before the year even starts..then they show no heart and get embarrassed.
 

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SLATEmosphere;2775484 said:
The Lakers are a joke. Kind of remind me of the Cowboys in alot of ways. Talented..superstars..lots of bandwagon fans..always being annointed "Champion contenders" before the year even starts..then they show no heart and get embarrassed.

Yeah right when was the last time our Cowboys made it to the finals errrrrrr I mean the SuperBowl errrrrrr I mean a playoff win ?!?!?!
 

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SuspectCorner;2775474 said:
At least you showed up to take your medicine, BC. I like that about you.

The Lakers have only been beaten wire-to-wire twice this whole year. And the dealer BOTH times?

Rocketpower, baby.



Good luck and see ya Sunday, brother. May the best team win.


I wish Chris Paul.....I mean Brooks would get off of Fisher...He's making the old man his b_____:eek:

If the Lakeshow gets past the Rockets they will always have trouble with cat quick small points with Fisher starting....

I hope if its close they move Kobe to Chris Paul in the 4th...
 

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kristie;2775479 said:
the rockets are one gutsy team. no yao, no mcgrady. wow.

One could argue losing McGrady was a blessing in disguise.

At this point I'm pretty sure Battier is the teams most valuable player.
 

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Bonecrusher#31;2775452 said:
The Lakeshow is making me sweat but I'm sure they will take care of business Sunday and that will be it for you bandwagoneers.:)
If I've read this thread correctly, there are three legit Rocket fans. The rest aren't rooting for the Rockets, they're just hating on the the Lakers.

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The Lakers are a joke. Kind of remind me of the Cowboys in alot of ways. Talented..superstars..lots of bandwagon fans..always being annointed "Champion contenders" before the year even starts..then they show no heart and get embarrassed.
Mentioned that to my Dad last night. All the talent in the world and spits the bit when it counts.

The one thing I noticed last night is that the Lakers just don't play defense. I don't know how many times the Rockets penetrated into the lane with Laker players just waving ole at them as they passed by. It was fun and pitiful to watch.
 

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LOL. The Lakers are pathetic. They should have easily shut this series down last night and instead, once again, they get out played because they're lazy, pathetic, and think they're entitled to wins, like their opponents are just going to lay down for them because they're the Lakers.

Even if they beat Houston, which I'm sure they will, I can see Denver beating them and I'm quite sure the Cavs will crush them in the Finals if the Lakers make it.

The Lakers have no heart. They're a bunch of individuals who are lazy. I'd love it if the Rockets upset them Sunday and sent them out of the playoffs right in front of their hometown fans.
 

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Coach's Zen approach not helping Lakers

by Mark Kriegel

After the first game of the Western Conference semifinals, an eight-point Laker loss at the Staples Center, Phil Jackson came to the interview podium and addressed the media in his best, most reassuring baritone:

"It's not as bad as it seems," he insisted. "We're OK."

Then, after Game 4 -- another Laker loss that saw Jackson's team spot the Yao Ming-less Rockets a 29-point lead -- the coach declared the trip a success.

"We got home-court advantage back," he said, referring to the split in Houston. "That's what we came here to do."

I had to wonder if he was having one of those LSD flashbacks.

And on Thursday, after a first quarter in which Houston jumped out to a 17-1 lead, Jackson said: "I thought we played all right but for the shot selection."

Hold up. For the second time in four nights, his team had come out for a playoff game overconfident and under-prepared and it was the shot selection?

Finally, when the game was over and the series tied at three games apiece, Jackson said, somewhat mercifully, "I don't have a statement to make."

So allow me to make one. The front-running Lakers will probably win Game 7 at home. But even if they do, it won't change the facts. With two rounds now in evidence, the most talented team in the playoffs has also been the most poorly coached.

Phil Jackson has nine championship rings. He's co-written five books, a library of his opinions and reflections, from "Maverick" to "Sacred Hoops" to "The Last Season." He makes $10 million a year, more than any coach in any sport. But this great basketball man is having one lousy postseason.

It would be nice and convenient to say that the undermanned, if admirable, Houston Rockets have exposed some of his Zen camouflage. But that's not the case. It was the Celtics who laid bare Jackson's team almost a year ago in the finals. In losing the last game by 39, the Lakers entered these playoffs with the burden of proof squarely on their shoulders. Yet they still play as if they are owed something. That's coaching, or rather, lack thereof.

The NBA's most prolific author is down to cliches. "Nobody stepped up," he was heard to say late Thursday at the postgame presser televised on NBA TV.

Then there was this gem: "You know, we're playing with a couple guys who are injured."

He was speaking of Andrew Bynum, who made it back from a bad knee before the season ended, and Lamar Odom, who's playing with a bruised back. What he failed to mention, of course, were the Rockets injuries.

The comparison doesn't flatter Jackson's squad. It's difficult not to root for the Rockets. They lost Tracy McGrady during the season. They lost Dikembe Mutombo against Portland. Then Yao Ming went down in the third game of this series. Houston shouldn't have won another game. It's as simple as that. But now they've won two.

While the Lakers start their pair of 7-footers, the Rockets are now smaller than a lot of college teams. They started a 6-6 center, Chuck Hayes, who played more defense than all the Lakers not named Kobe Bryant put together. (By the way, this one isn't on Kobe, who knew the Lakers wouldn't win Game 6 without a marked increase in intensity). Second-year forward Carl Landry came off the bench for 15 points, which was not only more than Bynum and Odom combined, but more than Mr. All-NBA, Pau Gasol.

Good coaches do two things consistently well. They motivate their players, and they make adjustments. To this point in the postseason, Jackson has done neither. After Game 1, he said of his team's lackluster start: "I don't know if we can play much worse, to be honest with you."

Turns out they could play a lot worse, as evidenced by Thursday's first quarter. Speaking of adjustments, there's Aaron Brooks. He's a good player, but the Lakers are giving him the confidence to discover just how good he can be. Six games into this series, Los Angeles still has no answer for Brooks.

Then again, the Lakers have more problems than a slight, second-year point guard. For all their talk of championships, they can't recognize a simple mismatch. Worse, for all their size, they don't defend the lane.

So what of Game 7? Jackson was asked.

It's a home game, he said. "There's nothing to worry about."

Perhaps that's good Zen. But it's not good coaching.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/9576958/Coach's-Zen-approach-not-helping-Lakers
 

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WoodysGirl;2775597 said:
If I've read this thread correctly, there are three legit Rocket fans. The rest aren't rooting for the Rockets, they're just hating on the the Lakers.

Mentioned that to my Dad last night. All the talent in the world and spits the bit when it counts.

The one thing I noticed last night is that the Lakers just don't play defense. I don't know how many times the Rockets penetrated into the lane with Laker players just waving ole at them as they passed by. It was fun and pitiful to watch.

I think they try, they just aren't quick on the perimeter, so guards are getting running starts at their big men which usually leads to a foul.
 

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TheCount;2775593 said:
One could argue losing McGrady was a blessing in disguise.

At this point I'm pretty sure Battier is the teams most valuable player.
I think losing Yao is more of a blessing in disguise.

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Coach's Zen approach not helping Lakers

by Mark Kriegel

After the first game of the Western Conference semifinals, an eight-point Laker loss at the Staples Center, Phil Jackson came to the interview podium and addressed the media in his best, most reassuring baritone:

"It's not as bad as it seems," he insisted. "We're OK."

Then, after Game 4 -- another Laker loss that saw Jackson's team spot the Yao Ming-less Rockets a 29-point lead -- the coach declared the trip a success.

"We got home-court advantage back," he said, referring to the split in Houston. "That's what we came here to do."

I had to wonder if he was having one of those LSD flashbacks.

And on Thursday, after a first quarter in which Houston jumped out to a 17-1 lead, Jackson said: "I thought we played all right but for the shot selection."

Hold up. For the second time in four nights, his team had come out for a playoff game overconfident and under-prepared and it was the shot selection?

Finally, when the game was over and the series tied at three games apiece, Jackson said, somewhat mercifully, "I don't have a statement to make."

So allow me to make one. The front-running Lakers will probably win Game 7 at home. But even if they do, it won't change the facts. With two rounds now in evidence, the most talented team in the playoffs has also been the most poorly coached.

Phil Jackson has nine championship rings. He's co-written five books, a library of his opinions and reflections, from "Maverick" to "Sacred Hoops" to "The Last Season." He makes $10 million a year, more than any coach in any sport. But this great basketball man is having one lousy postseason.

It would be nice and convenient to say that the undermanned, if admirable, Houston Rockets have exposed some of his Zen camouflage. But that's not the case. It was the Celtics who laid bare Jackson's team almost a year ago in the finals. In losing the last game by 39, the Lakers entered these playoffs with the burden of proof squarely on their shoulders. Yet they still play as if they are owed something. That's coaching, or rather, lack thereof.

The NBA's most prolific author is down to cliches. "Nobody stepped up," he was heard to say late Thursday at the postgame presser televised on NBA TV.

Then there was this gem: "You know, we're playing with a couple guys who are injured."

He was speaking of Andrew Bynum, who made it back from a bad knee before the season ended, and Lamar Odom, who's playing with a bruised back. What he failed to mention, of course, were the Rockets injuries.

The comparison doesn't flatter Jackson's squad. It's difficult not to root for the Rockets. They lost Tracy McGrady during the season. They lost Dikembe Mutombo against Portland. Then Yao Ming went down in the third game of this series. Houston shouldn't have won another game. It's as simple as that. But now they've won two.

While the Lakers start their pair of 7-footers, the Rockets are now smaller than a lot of college teams. They started a 6-6 center, Chuck Hayes, who played more defense than all the Lakers not named Kobe Bryant put together. (By the way, this one isn't on Kobe, who knew the Lakers wouldn't win Game 6 without a marked increase in intensity). Second-year forward Carl Landry came off the bench for 15 points, which was not only more than Bynum and Odom combined, but more than Mr. All-NBA, Pau Gasol.

Good coaches do two things consistently well. They motivate their players, and they make adjustments. To this point in the postseason, Jackson has done neither. After Game 1, he said of his team's lackluster start: "I don't know if we can play much worse, to be honest with you."

Turns out they could play a lot worse, as evidenced by Thursday's first quarter. Speaking of adjustments, there's Aaron Brooks. He's a good player, but the Lakers are giving him the confidence to discover just how good he can be. Six games into this series, Los Angeles still has no answer for Brooks.

Then again, the Lakers have more problems than a slight, second-year point guard. For all their talk of championships, they can't recognize a simple mismatch. Worse, for all their size, they don't defend the lane.

So what of Game 7? Jackson was asked.

It's a home game, he said. "There's nothing to worry about."

Perhaps that's good Zen. But it's not good coaching.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/9576958/Coach's-Zen-approach-not-helping-Lakers
man the Zen master is sounding a lot like Wade Phillips these days.
 

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I think they try, they just aren't quick on the perimeter, so guards are getting running starts at their big men which usually leads to a foul.

Exactly...Fisher is killing me and the Lakeshow..
 

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WoodysGirl;2775597 said:
If I've read this thread correctly, there are three legit Rocket fans. The rest aren't rooting for the Rockets, they're just hating on the the Lakers.

Mentioned that to my Dad last night. All the talent in the world and spits the bit when it counts.

The one thing I noticed last night is that the Lakers just don't play defense. I don't know how many times the Rockets penetrated into the lane with Laker players just waving ole at them as they passed by. It was fun and pitiful to watch.

They can't guard the pick n roll. Specifically against quick PG's. Pau plays like he's 5"6 110 pounds and Lamar Odom decides when he wants to hustle and play. This Laker team was exposed last year in the finals. I'm surprised more teams don't follow what the Rockets and Celtics did to them. Punch them in the mouth the first 5 minutes. Show your dominance..then they get scared and whine the rest of the game. Fairly simple if you ask me.
 

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Rockets-Lakers draws largest ESPN basketball audience ever
Posted May 15 2009 6:46PM

(AP) -- Game 6 of the Western Conference semifinal series between the Los Angeles Lakers and Houston Rockets was the most watched basketball game ever on ESPN.



The Rockets' 95-80 victory on Thursday drew 7.35 million viewers, topping the 6.6 million that watched Miami beat Detroit in Game 6 of the 2006 Eastern Conference finals.

The game earned a 5.4 national rating and a 16.0 rating in Houston, ESPN's highest local rating for an NBA telecast. ESPN's audience for its six conference semifinal games is up 16 percent from last year.

The rating is the percentage of all homes with televisions tuned into a program, while the share is the percentage of all TVs in use at the time.
 

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Rockets vs. Lakers: Game 7 questions

Game 7. Two of the most magical words in sports. And now we have two Game 7s: twice the fun, twice the tension, twice the drama.

Our experts have weighed in on both series. See below for their thoughts on Rockets-Lakers (Sunday, 3 ET, ABC) and click here for their analysis of Magic-Celtics Game 7 (Sunday, 8 ET, TNT).


1. What has been the most surprising thing about this series?

Henry Abbott, ESPN TrueHoop: This closely fought series has somehow had stretches when both teams played quite poorly -- and I'm not just talking about missed shots. The Lakers have been lackadaisical defenders at times, and the Rockets suffered a stretch where they could barely complete a pass without a turnover. It's hard to know what Game 7 will look like.

J.A. Adande, ESPN.com: The Lakers' horrendous starts. Not only were they blasted away in Games 4 and 6, but it's easy to forget they were down early in their Game 5 victory as well. We saw Kobe set the tone in Game 4 in Utah. He didn't do that here.

Chris Broussard, ESPN The Magazine: I'm surprised the Rockets have been able to go 2-1 against the Lakers without Yao Ming. I'm surprised at the Lakers' lack of mental toughness and focus. A team with that much experience (on the floor and on the bench) and with Kobe Bryant as its leader should be more zoned in. I'm also surprised at the calm, almost carefree, responses that Kobe and Phil Jackson have had to these losses.

Ric Bucher, ESPN The Magazine: No. 1, the Lakers' inability to exploit Andrew Bynum's size advantage since Yao went down. The Rockets simply don't have the personnel to defend both Pau Gasol and Bynum and yet they have succeeded at that.

No. 2, Kobe Bryant's emotional outbursts about Shane Battier's inability to guard him. One, no one doubts that. Two, he should know that emotional swings in the playoffs are draining and counterproductive. If it was meant to bolster his team's fickle confidence and aggression, it hasn't worked.

John Hollinger, ESPN.com: The sheer and utter selfishness the Lakers showed at the offensive end Thursday night. Their lack of effort in the first quarter is getting all the attention now, but roll back through the tape -- virtually every trip was zero passes or one pass and a shot, usually a poorly chosen one. It's the type of game that makes you question whether these guys even like each other.

Chris Sheridan, ESPN.com: As the only guy on the 10-man ESPN.com staff who picked the Rockets (and as someone who has gone on L.A. radio repeatedly throughout the series to defend that pick), I have been amazed at how people think I've lost my marbles for picking Houston.

But I still say they match up favorably at every position except shooting guard. They're tougher, they might be more strong-willed, and they have an underrated beast down low in Luis Scola, whom I'd take over Pau Gasol if I had to pick one of them to be alongside me in a foxhole.

Marc Stein, ESPN.com: The Rockets' resilience to play on without Yao and the Lakers' utter lack of focus/passion/toughness on the road. How do they expect to win a game in raucous Denver or Cleveland if they can't be more ruthless against short-handed Houston?



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2. In Game 7, what is a key or two we should watch for?

Abbott: Let's assume Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol, Aaron Brooks, Luis Scola and Shane Battier will be very effective. The key will be: Who else will stand out?

If the answer is something like Lamar Odom and Derek Fisher, then the Lakers can't lose.

If the answer is more like Carl Landry and Kyle Lowry, the Rockets will be in the Western Conference finals, and every GM in the NBA will spend the summer trying to get a player like Aaron Brooks.

Adande: Kobe. He needs to revel in the moment and take over Game 7. If the rest of the Lakers look so indecisive in the playoffs, Game 7s are even worse. They're when you learn who you can count on. Not many options for Kobe, apparently.

Broussard: In Game 5, Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum established themselves early and let the Rockets know they would use their size to dominate inside. They must do that again. Bynum has to be a factor. The Lakers must also match Houston's toughness and intensity, and of course, find a way to keep Aaron Brooks from living in the paint. If L.A. does that, it will win.

Bucher: First, the Lakers' ability to eliminate Aaron Brooks' dribble penetration. When they've done that, they take away the engine to the Rockets' offense.

Second, Houston turnovers. They are, by and large, not a great ballhandling or passing team. It says everything about the Lakers' lack of defensive intensity that they haven't exploited that more.

Hollinger: Whether L.A. can get fouls on Houston's frontcourt, especially Chuck Hayes. The Rockets can't guard Pau Gasol when Hayes is off the court, and any situation in which the Rockets are forced to play Brian Cook is a huge, huge advantage for L.A.

Sheridan: Ron Artest's temperament. This is the biggest game of his career, and there is going to come a point when he gets frustrated. Now, does he stifle it for the good of the team? Or does he let himself get out of control, blow a gasket and blow the Rockets' chances? The guy has an enormous amount of energy, but it's a queston of which direction he channels it to.

Stein: Will the Rockets play free and nothing-to-lose loose? Will Kobe get help from Gasol and Bynum or try to "win the damn series" on his own? Will Aaron Brooks continue to torture the Lakers' overmatched guards on pick-and-rolls?



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3. Which player, coach or team has the most to lose on Sunday?

Abbott: The Rockets have lost some elite players to the struggle of getting this far. But it's the Lakers who have more to sweat. They have been penciled into the Finals for months. How many chances will Kobe Bryant and Phil Jackson get to earn a title without someone like Michael Jordan or Shaquille O'Neal to take the credit?

Adande: Again, Kobe. A prime opportunity to get his post-Shaq ring if he wins, another year of his prime gone if he doesn't. Kobe won't be around forever.

Broussard: Kobe. He has the supporting cast and the coach to at least reach the Finals, and if he falls short in the second round to an injury-depleted Rockets team, his ability to make his teammates better and lead them to the Promised Land will be subject to legitimate questions. We've already seen Kobe-led teams drop a 3-1 lead to Phoenix (2006, first round) and lose a 24-point lead in Game 4 of the 2008 NBA Finals. Add a heavily favored Kobe-led crew falling to a Rockets team without its two best players and there's a sizeable chink in his armor.

Then there's Phil Jackson, who's been unable to get this team motivated consistently. Also, Lamar Odom, for playing soft and inconsistent, and to a lesser extent, Andrew Bynum, will catch heat if L.A. loses.

Bucher: Kobe, Phil Jackson and the Lakers. This is their last best chance to get a ring and separate themselves from ghosts past -- Shaq for Kobe, Red Auerbach for Phil, last year's loss in the Finals to the Celtics for the entire organization. If the Lakers get knocked out in the second round by an undermanned Rockets team, it might just be the most embarrassing playoff loss in Lakers history.

Hollinger: Kobe Bryant, without a doubt. Since L.A.'s last title in 2002, his track record in elimination games is unbelievably awful -- there's the second-half mail-in in Phoenix, the 131-92 debacle in Boston, the Game 5 shellacking in Detroit, and the 110-82 beatdown by the Spurs. Each of these defeats can be rationalized on its own. But if they lose Sunday? It gets much harder to shrug them off.

Sheridan: Pau Gasol. His résumé is littered with big-game failures (2008 Olympics, gold-medal game; 2008 NBA Finals; 2007 Eurobasket gold-medal game; every playoff game he ever participated in for Memphis). But the Lakers are going to need him to be clutch because they are getting very, very little from anyone else other than Kobe. Pau's big-game failures were one of the key reasons why I picked Houston in seven, believing the Rockets could win that type of game on the road.

Stein: Ko-be, Ko-be, Ko-be. Phil, Gasol and Odom would all be wounded by the shrapnel, but losing this early to the Yao-less Rockets would be an unfathomably massive hit to Kobe's cred ... and would pitch the Lakers straight back into the crisis mode we all assumed they left behind after trading for Pau.



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4. Which team should win (or should have won) this series, and who wins Game 7?


Abbott: Houston had a shot at Game 2 in Los Angeles, which would have put them up 2-0 against the conference champs before even playing a home game.

After literally flipping a coin, I'll say Rockets -- although they could also lose by 20.

Adande: The Lakers should have won in Game 5. They should have shut this down by pouncing on the Rockets early in Game 4, but let Houston regain a little confidence.

The Lakers still win Game 7. As impressive as the Rockets have been, they'll eventually miss having a scorer to get them easy baskets.

Broussard: The Lakers win Game 7. They're the better, more talented, more experienced team, and they've got the best player on the floor. The Lakers should have already won this series, but their mental state has resembled the Magic's more than the Cavs' and Nuggets' -- and that's not a good thing. Like Orlando, if they lose, they'll have no one to blame but themselves.

Bucher: The Lakers should have won it and still should win it. But even if they do, the Nuggets play as hard as Houston and have a ton more talent. The Kobe-LeBron matchup is now looking like a Melo-LeBron affair.

Hollinger: The Lakers should be favored, of course, and I still have to think they'll prevail at home in Game 7. The fact that they won by 40 in Game 5 is a pretty good sign of the talent difference, and the extra day of rest will be huge for Lamar Odom's back.

However, the fact that there's even a chance of L.A. losing three out of four to a team of nine role players is in itself a condemnation. From the coach on down, the Lakers have been way too casual, and that's why we've got Lakers-Rockets on Sunday instead of Lakers-Nuggets.

Sheridan: Well, obviously the Lakers are the better team. I never said they weren't, and I thought they'd absolutely kill the Rockets twice, which is exactly what has happened.

But again, if the Rockets can play from ahead or get to the midpoint of the fourth quarter and still be within striking distance, I like their grittiness, guts and savvy to get the job done and pull off the upset.

Stein: I'm picking both of the home teams in Game 7, but Houston -- not Orlando -- is the underdog most likely to give us an upset, especially if Brooks keeps going nuts and the Lakers get nothing from their fading bench. If this is as far as it goes for the Rockets, they've been as impressive as a team that goes out in the second round can be.
 

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Shots are rimming out or airing out..

Need to score to calm things down.

Says alot that the Lakers have only scored 8.
 

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WoodysGirl;2777570 said:
Shots are rimming out or airing out..

Need to score to calm things down.

Says alot that the Lakers have only scored 8.
Rockets look sluggish again. I don't get why they look so sluggish in LA and so energized in Houston.
 

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Rockets have settled down a bit..

Lakers are playing big which will help them.

Lots and lots of time left...
 
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