Twitter: Rod Marinelli is the reason we have Taco instead of TJ Watt

[Stash]

That's every sack last year of TJ Watt.
He had zero as a hand in dirt RDE. ZERO.

Pitt used him as stand up ROLB, LOLB and wide 9 SDE.

He never lined up inline directly over an OT.

Do you actually think posting this helped your case? In any way?

 

[Sydla]

Schemes vary mightily.
This Cowboys team uses a strong front 4 to control the run with an expectation all 4 guys can handle their assigned lanes.

This isn't the 3-4. Or some weird wide 9 defense.

Watt could have likely eventually grown into a solid RDE here. But he was on 8000 calorie a day diet already to play 3-4 OLB in Pitt.
Goofballs ignore we had a similar guy in Randy Gregory and it took him 3 years to get starter snaps and he was a much better pure pass rusher coming out of college.
He played only 45% of the snaps last year as a starting RDE 4 years after he was drafted, 23% as a rookie.

Benson Mawoya played 33% of the snaps here. He was a cheap role player.
DAL wasn't using an R1 pick on a guy to play 35% of the snaps as Watt would by DESIGN.
They want DLaw and TyCrawford 66% of the snaps with R1 picks.

Rod knows this defense, fans mostly know nothing.

But they used a Rd 1 pick in a guy who played 40% of the snaps and it far less productive.

The Cowboys botched that pick. Just admit it. At best, Charlton might develop into a decent depth guy at this point.

 

[Stash]

But they used a Rd 1 pick in a guy who played 40% of the snaps and it far less productive.

The Cowboys botched that pick. Just admit it. At best, Charlton might develop into a decent depth guy at this point.

Good luck.

Some fans still can't admit that Gavin Escobar was a bad pick.

Blue blinders.

 

[jterrell]

And yet we're good with Randy Gregory at 235 lbs. The inconsistencies in the stories really show through.

Stop posting silly things.

The Cowboys drafted Gregory at pick 60 which allows for a rotational guy or specialist very diff than in R1
RG was NOT starting long before he tested positive, wasn't starting once he did and and after 4 years of physical maturity still is a rotational guy.
RG weighs more NOW than TJ Watt and still plays less than half the snaps.

DAL had the 5th best rush defense in the NFL last year, 6th best in points per game allowed.
Rod's defense worked out just fine aside from a game where the Rams coming off a Bye just wrecked them.

 

[jterrell]

Good luck.

Some fans still can't admit that Gavin Escobar was a bad pick.

Blue blinders.

Taco may end up a terrible draft pick but it has zero to do with TJ Watt.
Really stupid people can't grasp that and it is a shame.

 

[Stash]

Stop posting silly things.

Truth hurts, don't it?

The Cowboys drafted Gregory at pick 60 which allows for a rotational guy or specialist very diff than in R1

Where did they draft Taco? Who's not even active, much less contributing.

RG was NOT starting long before he tested positive, wasn't starting once he did and and after 4 years of physical maturity still is a rotational guy.

"4 years" More intentionally misleading statements. Par for the course. 28 games over those "four years."

RG weighs more NOW than TJ Watt and still plays less than half the snaps.

Does he? Does he really? After just "four years" like you keep referring to? How much you think Watt can gain in four years if that's what he was asked to do? Answer? At least a second much, if not more.

DAL had the 5th best rush defense in the NFL last year, 6th best in points per game allowed.
Rod's defense worked out just fine aside from a game where the Rams coming off a Bye just wrecked them.

It's "coming off a bye" now is it? Is that the latest excuse for those who can't handle the truth? The truth that the Rams knew what Old Man River's line was going to do "90% of the time"? Now it's "coming off a bye"?

 

[Stash]

Taco may end up a terrible draft pick but it has zero to do with TJ Watt.
Really stupid people can't grasp that and it is a shame.

"Really stupid people" can't admit when they're favorite team clearly screws up.

When they had a chance to draft a pass rusher and passed, and now are screwed as a result.

 

[OmerV]

"Really stupid people" can't admit when they're favorite team clearly screws up.

When they had a chance to draft a pass rusher and passed, and now are screwed as a result.

I can easily admit Taco over Watt was a mistake, but that's a much easier thing to see with hindsight than it was in advance. There were reasons for going the way they did, but it didn't work out. Draft picks sometimes don't for all teams.

 

[Stash]

I can easily admit Taco over Watt was a mistake, but that's a much easier thing to see with hindsight than it was in advance. There were reasons for going the way they did, but it didn't work out. Draft picks sometimes don't for all teams.

And the point I'm making is that for far too many of us, there was no "hindsight" involved. We felt that way then. The moment the bad decision was made.

But credit to you for being able to admit that if was a mistake. Not all fans are capable of that when it comes to their favorite team. They need qualifiers and downright excuses.

 

[JBell]

I can easily admit Taco over Watt was a mistake, but that's a much easier thing to see with hindsight than it was in advance. There were reasons for going the way they did, but it didn't work out. Draft picks sometimes don't for all teams.

Don't know how many times it needs to be repeated. This isn't a hindsight thread.

This is a Will McClay should never be getting overruled by our coaching staff with Day 1 picks thread.

 

[OmerV]

And the point I'm making is that for far too many of us, there was no "hindsight" involved. We felt that way then. The moment the bad decision was made.

But credit to you for being able to admit that if was a mistake. Not all fans are capable of that when it comes to their favorite team. They need qualifiers and downright excuses.

Sure there were some that felt that way then. I remember some being upset. There were also some who felt that Taco was a better choice because he was more of a fit as a DE in a 4-3 defense, whereas Watt was a better fit as a 3-4 OLB. End of the day, there are always disagreements among fans on which way a team should go in the draft, and any given fan is going to be right sometimes and wrong other times. There were a lot of fans ticked off at the Frederick pick at the time, and that turned out to be a good one.

 

[OmerV]

Don't know how many times it needs to be repeated. This isn't a hindsight thread.

This is a Will McClay should never be getting overruled by our coaching staff with Day 1 picks thread.

Saying it isn't a hindsight thread doesn't make it so. Some fans favored Watt when we drafted, and others Taco, and if you looked at college stats there really wasn't a notable difference except one was more of a 4-3 DE and the other more of a 3-4 OLB.

As for McClay, you aren't being realistic if you think he always makes unilateral decisions on who to draft, and this was just an exception where the input of others was considered. It's not that every good choice is all McClay, and every bad choice is all someone else. McClay's thoughts carry a lot of weight, but every decision is discussed and the choice is based on what the group decides. McClay has never been the sole decision maker.

 

[JBell]

Saying it isn't a hindsight thread doesn't make it so. Some fans favored Watt when we drafted, and others Taco, and if you looked at college stats there really wasn't a notable difference except one was more of a 4-3 DE and the other more of a 3-4 OLB.

As for McClay, you aren't being realistic if you think he always makes unilateral decisions on who to draft, and this was just an exception where the input of others was considered. It's not that every good choice is all McClay, and every bad choice is all someone else. McClay's thoughts carry a lot of weight, but every decision is discussed and the choice is based on what the group decides. McClay has never been the sole decision maker.

The majority of the fanbase wanted Watt. He was leaps and bounds the #1 favorite. The love for him reached Steven Jackson levels. To make it seem like it was an even split between Watt/Taco is not even close to accurately capturing this board's thoughts.

I know McClay doesn't have the final word in the war room. If JG, Rod, Sanjay, Kellen etc. want to have a voice on Day 3, I can live with that. But let the guy who's had a ton of success and scouts players for a living do his job on Day 1 and Day 2.

Rod didn't know what position TJ could play and it lead to us drafting an inferior player. Hope they learned from it.

 

[America's Cowboy]

That's every sack last year of TJ Watt.
He had zero as a hand in dirt RDE. ZERO.

Pitt used him as stand up ROLB, LOLB and wide 9 SDE.

He never lined up inline directly over an OT.

Who gives a hoot? What's your point? You would rather have Taco with his 1 sack per season simply because he rushes the edge 100% of the time with his hand in the dirt, or would you like 14 sacks from a guy who does play half the time with his hand in the dirt but coincidentally got all 14 of his sacks while coming off the edge standing up?

Bottom line: You are arguing over a losing set of semantics.

Like I said before, D-Ware (and even Greg Ellis) played a lot of snaps coming off the edge while standing up, and they did just fine doing so. Talent is talent. TJ Watt has it. Taco doesn't. Stick with the failed experiment called Taco Charlton if you want, but I'm pretty sure most fans would prefer TJ Watt right about now.

 

[jterrell]

Who gives a hoot? What's your point? You would rather have Taco with his 1 sack per season simply because he rushes the edge 100% of the time with his hand in the dirt, or would you like 14 sacks from a guy who does play half the time with his hand in the dirt but coincidentally got all 14 of his sacks while coming off the edge standing up?

Bottom line: You are arguing over a losing set of semantics.

Like I said before, D-Ware (and even Greg Ellis) played a lot of snaps coming off the edge while standing up, and they did just fine doing so. Talent is talent. TJ Watt has it. Taco doesn't. Stick with the failed experiment called Taco Charlton if you want, but I'm pretty sure most fans would prefer TJ Watt right about now.

My man... when you are as wrong as you were here and someone provides proof, best to just let it go.

Taco being raw or injured or just terrible does zero to make Watt fit this scheme. Watt is LVE here not DLaw or any starting DE.

DAL is trading for a RDE who is amenable to the trade specifically because he wants to come here and play in a 4-3.
Scheme fit matters.

 

[Sydla]

Sure there were some that felt that way then. I remember some being upset. There were also some who felt that Taco was a better choice because he was more of a fit as a DE in a 4-3 defense, whereas Watt was a better fit as a 3-4 OLB. End of the day, there are always disagreements among fans on which way a team should go in the draft, and any given fan is going to be right sometimes and wrong other times. There were a lot of fans ticked off at the Frederick pick at the time, and that turned out to be a good one.

FWIW, stash was all over this pick leading up to the draft. He was one of the most bullish on taking Watt. It was almost nauseating his love of Watt ().

So he can crow all he wants. He was smarter than Rod here.

 

[Stash]

FWIW, stash was all over this pick leading up to the draft. He was one of the most bullish on taking Watt. It was almost nauseating his love of Watt ().

So he can crow all he wants. He was smarter than Rod here.

 

[Westcoasthabsfan]

Legit question ... is Watt the beast he is, if he plays RE here?

nope....

 

[Stash]

nope....

 

[Hennessy_King]

He's shown the ability to generate pressure from a three point stance in Pitt. Letting Rod overrule McClay was a huge mistake.

Letting rod be a coach on the team was a bigger mistake