Rods Defense

[Alexander]

Dude! Can you really tell us that you couldn't see the difference in how hard the line played this year? That was Marinelli. Yes they were scrubs and street FA's but they played hard. For the first time in forever I'm not embarassed of that unit. Everywhere else yes but not in how the dline played (effort wise).

So we know it was all 100% Marinelli? Or was it the fact that they were playing hard because they did not want to go back to running smoothie shops? Is Hatcher's emergence due to him actually playing harder for a contract?

 

[jblaze2004]

We need a Free Safety for this defense. We don't have one. We have a bunch of strong safeties.

 

[CashMan]

We need a Free Safety for this defense. We don't have one. We have a bunch of strong safeties.

100%

Dallas really has not had one since, Woody.

 

[Alexander]

We need a Free Safety for this defense. We don't have one. We have a bunch of strong safeties.

Matt. Johnson.

 

[Alexander]

100%

Dallas really has not had one since, Woody.

I would not count on it. Look back at the Kiffin Bucs defenses, you will not see high choices being devoted to free safeties. You also do not see it in Chicago. You have a bunch of middle round talent they try to mold.

 

[FLCowboyFan]

you guys are amazing! Zimmer was an idiot and was run out of town. Now look at him in Cinci. Marinelli is well respected across the league as a good DC but you guy are acting like you have inside knowledge that he really isn't. If he was so bad Chicago wouldn't have wanted him to stay. Give he or Zimmer talent and they all of a sudden become better coaches.

What's funny is how many people now think Frazier is better than Marinelli since he is the guy we don't have on staff. Go and look at the Vikings defensive stats this year. They were 31st in total defense, we were 32nd. They were 31st in passing defense, we were 30th. You get the point. Frazier was not going to come in here and make a bunch of sub-par players a #1 defense next year unless you gave him talent to work with.

 

[Alexander]

you guys are amazing! Zimmer was an idiot and was run out of town. Now look at him in Cinci. Marinelli is well respected across the league as a good DC but you guy are acting like you have inside knowledge that he really isn't. If he was so bad Chicago wouldn't have wanted him to stay. Give he or Zimmer talent and they all of a sudden become better coaches.

What's funny is how many people now think Frazier is better than Marinelli since he is the guy we don't have on staff. Go and look at the Vikings defensive stats this year. They were 31st in total defense, we were 32nd. They were 31st in passing defense, we were 30th. You get the point. Frazier was not going to come in here and make a bunch of sub-par players a #1 defense next year unless you gave him talent to work with.

Marinelli is not a bad coach that needs to be run off. But this idea that he is just some magical missing component that if we just elevated him to coordinator is just crazy.

And who is claiming Frazier is better? I must have missed that.

 

[CashMan]

I would not count on it. Look back at the Kiffin Bucs defenses, you will not see high choices being devoted to free safeties. You also do not see it in Chicago. You have a bunch of middle round talent they try to mold.

Well, I think Chicago/Lovie is the exception to the rule. With Tampa, They had Dexter Jackson, granted he was a bust after signing a big contract after obtaining the SB MVP, he was still fairly good as a FS. I think most Tampa-2s had a really good safety. Bob Sanders, John Lynch, (other Tampa-2s escape me).

 

[Proximo]

Laugh all you want. Lovie's D, was successful before Rod came to the Bears, before he was given the title, and it will be successful in Tampa. Show me proof, I have already given mine. Would you say Brian Stewart was successful here? Wade was the coach, and the Defense was fairly good while he was here. No, it was Wade's system.

You're attempt to compare the Wade/Stewart combo in Dallas to the Lovie/Marinelli combo in CHI is even funnier than your first post.

This is what's so great about being a fan in the NFL. There's so many moving parts on every team that it gives fans like this countless avenues to go down when trying to assign blame, or give credit however it suits their agenda.

All I said in my original post was that I have confidence Marinelli can field a solid defense if we upgrade the roster. NO coordinator in this league was going to put a top tier defense in Dallas this past year with the players we had suiting up each week.

 

[FLCowboyFan]

Marinelli is not a bad coach that needs to be run off. But this idea that he is just some magical missing component that if we just elevated him to coordinator is just crazy.

And who is claiming Frazier is better? I must have missed that.

There have been a ton of post in the threads saying people wanted Frazier and now people are dumping on Marinelli. You will never see me say ANY coach is a magical savior. Tom Landry said late in his career something to the order of "you can only improve talent so much by coaching" when the team was struggling. I believe that and it's why Bellichek looked horrible in Cleveland but then shined in NE. If we had a ton of real talent you can blame a coach but typically when a coach struggles it's because they don't have the talent.

It's not to say that some coaches aren't better than others but I don't think you can tell from wins/losses or even stats.

 

[CashMan]

You're attempt to compare the Wade/Stewart combo in Dallas to the Lovie/Marinelli combo in CHI is even funnier than your first post.

This is what's so great about being a fan in the NFL. There's so many moving parts on every team that it gives fans like this countless avenues to go down when trying to assign blame, or give credit however it suits their agenda.

All I said in my original post was that I have confidence Marinelli can field a solid defense if we upgrade the roster. NO coordinator in this league was going to put a top tier defense in Dallas this past year with the players we had suiting up each week.

In your original post, you were giving the success of the Bears D to Rod, when in fact it is a system of the HC was is a guru of the Tampa-2. Laugh all you want at my posts, but I hold the proof, and you have yet to provide any. I was comparing the success of the Dallas D, when Stewart was the DC to Rod being a HC, and you seemed to find it funny, which proves my point even more.

 

[Alexander]

Well, I think Chicago/Lovie is the exception to the rule. With Tampa, They had Dexter Jackson, granted he was a bust after signing a big contract after obtaining the SB MVP, he was still fairly good as a FS. I think most Tampa-2s had a really good safety. Bob Sanders, John Lynch, (other Tampa-2s escape me).

Dexter Jackson was a 4th round choice. The Tampa 2 just does not value the free safety position to where you absolutely have to have a top pick there. I can all but guarantee Kiffin/Marinelli will advise Jones again not to bother. That's a big reason why we passed on Reid in April.

Barry Church is considered to be the "good safety"--so we have that going for us. Which is nice.

 

[Proximo]

In your original post, you were giving the success of the Bears D to Rod, when in fact it is a system of the HC was is a guru of the Tampa-2. Laugh all you want at my posts, but I hold the proof, and you have yet to provide any. I was comparing the success of the Dallas D, when Stewart was the DC to Rod being a HC, and you seemed to find it funny, which proves my point even more.

Ha and laugh I will. You don't hold any proof, all you hold is a silly opinion that the HC deserves ALL of the credit for the performance of that defense, and the defensive coordinator deserves NONE. It really is laughable.

 

[jblaze2004]

Matt. Johnson.

who?

 

[Alexander]

who?

Matt Johnson. You know. When he comes back it will be like adding a 2014 draft choice.

 

[silver]

Matt Johnson. You know. When he comes back it will be like adding a 2014 draft choice.

Right, and Ben Bass can be our 3 technique guy. We're set. We might as well forfeit the draft.

 

[mahoneybill]

There have been a ton of post in the threads saying people wanted Frazier and now people are dumping on Marinelli. You will never see me say ANY coach is a magical savior. Tom Landry said late in his career something to the order of "you can only improve talent so much by coaching" when the team was struggling. I believe that and it's why Bellichek looked horrible in Cleveland but then shined in NE. If we had a ton of real talent you can blame a coach but typically when a coach struggles it's because they don't have the talent.

It's not to say that some coaches aren't better than others but I don't think you can tell from wins/losses or even stats.

Good comment on Belicheck Cleveland vs New England.......... Can't win a horse race when you are riding a donkey....

 

[Alexander]

Right, and Ben Bass can be our 3 technique guy. We're set. We might as well forfeit the draft.

Good thinking. We are always set. We really need to start fleshing out the special teams depth. I like the way you think.