Roethlis-raper

[dallascowboysfan31]

So now "softy" Goodell says that Ben has gone above an beyond to warrant a 4 week suspension as opposed to a 6 week suspension. What does that mean? He hasn't raped or sexually assaulted anyone lately. What a joke.

 

[dallascowboysfan31]

And he also thinks that Vick is a golden boy now too. Goodell is a farce.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Yea, i mean the Vick thing i understand because he didn't really do anything that we know about. But seriously, Ruthlesraper should be in a jail cell somewhere, acting out the definition of irony with a buff bald guy named Blade or something.

"Oh well we haven't seen any little girls leaving his house around 10 pm lately, because as you know minors have a curfew.. so he seems to be all cured."

 

[SaltwaterServr]

You knew it was coming. It's almost as if it's part marketing by the NFL on behalf of the players.

"Hey we gave them a 6 week suspension but he obviously learned his lesson so we'll reduce it to only 4 weeks. You see our suspensions and punitive actions beyond the legal system are working. Our players, once reprimanded by the NFL, take the message that playing in the NFL is a privilege and not a right. They walk the line as put down by Kommandant Goodell or face permanent banishment from pro football. This is yet another case of our system working until Ben gets caught in an Lawrence Taylor situation."

It really is a farce to set any reduction when you know only the most screwed up individuals will make a subsequent mistake during their brief period of "time out".

 

[Apluz]

It really is a farce to set any reduction when you know only the most screwed up individuals will make a subsequent mistake during their brief period of "time out".

Even bigger then that is we are in August, Ben has yet to even begin to serve the suspension and we are already talking about a reduction?! Dude has over a month to screw up still, I don't get why the Commish would even talk about Ben now?

 

[sago1]

Steelers have probably hired bodyguards to hang around Roth & not allow him off the range. Sure would be funny if he screwed up within the next few weeks. Wonder how Goodell would handle that?

 

[joseephuss]

Steelers have probably hired bodyguards to hang around Roth & hide all of his missteps from the public.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Doomsday101]

So now "softy" Goodell says that Ben has gone above an beyond to warrant a 4 week suspension as opposed to a 6 week suspension. What does that mean? He hasn't raped or sexually assaulted anyone lately. What a joke.

Right now Goodell has not done anything and has not reduced the suspension the media suspects that Goodell could do so due to the comments that Ben has done everything and more than what is being asked of him. As of right now Ben is still looking at 6 games

 

[zrinkill]

Not surprised

 

[AmishCowboy]

It should be a least 4 games.

 

[T-RO]

It should be a least 4 games.

It's not just a case of the league indulging a player. The league has often had an "interesting" relationship with the Steelers.

The word "cozy" comes to mind.

 

[Stautner]

Yea, i mean the Vick thing i understand because he didn't really do anything that we know about. But seriously, Ruthlesraper should be in a jail cell somewhere, acting out the definition of irony with a buff bald guy named Blade or something.

"Oh well we haven't seen any little girls leaving his house around 10 pm lately, because as you know minors have a curfew.. so he seems to be all cured."

What did they prove Ben did?

I'm not particularly fond of Ben, but the police were unable to find evidence Vick did anything illegal, and the same applies to Ben. In both cases the offense with regard to the NFL is putting themselves in bad situations. It seems to me Vick is the lucky one because with his past history, and with the NFL specifically telling him he was on a short leash, he put himself in a public party late at night where any drunk could spur a problem. Ben did the same, but he didn't have the same past history of trouble with the NFL.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

What did they prove Ben did?

I'm not particularly fond of Ben, but the police were unable to find evidence Vick did anything illegal, and the same applies to Ben. In both cases the offense with regard to the NFL is putting themselves in bad situations. It seems to me Vick is the lucky one because with his past history, and with the NFL specifically telling him he was on a short leash, he put himself in a public party late at night where any drunk could spur a problem. Ben did the same, but he didn't have the same past history of trouble with the NFL.

This is the second time he's been accused of rape in two years, guess its just a big coincidence..

 

[Stautner]

This is the second time he's been accused of rape in two years, guess its just a big coincidence..

You aren't listening. It's not as if Vick hasn't been in trouble before. Many mor times than Ben in fact. And Ben had not been suspended previously and told he would be watched closely and on a very short leash. My point wasn't to suggest Ben was innocent, it was to say that it doesn't make sense to claim Vick did nothing wrong and Ben did, when the fact is they are both, at a minimum, guilty of putting themselves in bad situations, and further that neither was proven to have done more than that.

 

[Hoofbite]

People who criticize Goodell crack me up.

 

[Ware2010]

People who criticize Goodell crack me up.

People who like George Carlin crack me up.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

You aren't listening. It's not as if Vick hasn't been in trouble before. Many mor times than Ben in fact. And Ben had not been suspended previously and told he would be watched closely and on a very short leash. My point wasn't to suggest Ben was innocent, it was to say that it doesn't make sense to claim Vick did nothing wrong and Ben did, when the fact is they are both, at a minimum, guilty of putting themselves in bad situations, and further that neither was proven to have done more than that.

Many more times? That's subjective. He's been convicted for one incident.

They're both horrible people.

 

[Stautner]

People who criticize Goodell crack me up.

They do me too. Some get upset if he doesn't treat every situation exactly the same, regardless of proof, or severity of the issue, or criminal charges, or anything else. They act is if all player problems are identical, with identical outcomes and circumstances and evidence and ramifications.

Vick may not have had any direct involvement with the shooting at his birthday party, but it was a longtime associate of his who had just had words with Vick and his friends/family shortly before at a late night party in a bar, and it came after Vick was told by the NFL he was on a short leash, which came after serving a long NFL suspension, wich followed being released from federal prison for a crime he was convicted of and is STILL on probation for, which follwed incidents over the years involving marajuana in his truck, people he was travelling with stealing a watch, and flipping off an entire football stadium filled with fans.

Ben, on the other hand, had never had any trouble with the NFL prior to his incident and suspension.

So why is Vick suddenly the goodguy and Ben is worse? It makes no sense?

 

[RoyTheHammer]

They do me too. Some get upset if he doesn't treat every situation exactly the same, regardless of proof, or severity of the issue, or criminal charges, or anything else. They act is if all player problems are identical, with identical outcomes and circumstances and evidence and ramifications.

Vick may not have had any direct involvement with the shooting at his birthday party, but it was a longtime associate of his who had just had words with Vick and his friends/family shortly before at a late night party in a bar, and it came after Vick was told by the NFL he was on a short leash, which came after serving a long NFL suspension, wich followed being released from federal prison for a crime he was convicted of and is STILL on probation for, which follwed incidents over the years involving marajuana in his truck, people he was travelling with stealing a watch, and flipping off an entire football stadium filled with fans.

Ben, on the other hand, had never had any trouble with the NFL prior to his incident and suspension.

So why is Vick suddenly the goodguy and Ben is worse? It makes no sense?

You seem like you're criticizing Goodall's decision here.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

So i just researched this a little bit more and found this excerpt from Goodall's letter to the raper:

“I recognize that the allegations in Georgia were disputed and that they did not result in criminal charges being filed against you. My decision today is not based on a finding that you violated Georgia law, or on a conclusion that differs from that of the local prosecutor. That said, you are held to a higher standard as an NFL player, and there is nothing about your conduct in Milledgeville that can remotely be described as admirable, responsible, or consistent with either the values of the league or the expectations of our fans.

I feel like this is most likely the reason that Raper received such a harsh suspension from Goodall, because even though he wasn't convicted, you know he acted in an immoral and irresponsible mannar that night. I don't think anyone would argue with his behavior, or his reputation after the last accusation.

However, in the current situation with Vick, if they find that he's innocent, then you really can't say he did anything that was immoral or irresponsible just because he was out at a club. Hundreds of players in all professional leagues go out. So if he wasn't deemed responsible for the shooting, then he did nothing out of line, whereas Ben still acted inappropriately and obviously "not consistent with the values of the league".

That's the difference right there i believe.


On a lighter note, even if he wasn't convicted though.. i mean come on, look at this man and tell me he doesn't creep outside bathroom windows at night. lol