Romo and Dak based on Raw Ability

diamonddelts said:
I never saw this. Links? Sources?
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People still are upset over his comments he made in 2012 when he was what? 17 or 18? :laugh:
 
plasticman said:
There has been only three times since the NFL and AFL merger in 1970 that a quarterback didn't throw a single pass in their first two years and eventually became a starter for at least one season.

Two, Romo and Jeff Hostetler, had the same HC, Bill Parcells. The other, HC was Tom Landry with Gary Hogeboom.

Many teams plan on "developing" a QB but they always seem to end up playing earlier than planned.

Tony Romo is the only QB in NFL history to not throw a single regular season pass in his first three years in the NFL and eventually become a starter.

As I mentioned earlier, he wasn't even active for a single game his first season, hence the absence of statistics for 2003.

coddle: To treat in an overprotective way

I believe I used the term appropriately.
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Nothing in that description implies coddling. It simply implies that the coach didn’t think the player was ready to step on the field and produce in a professional manner and help the team win instead of being a detriment to it.

Coddling is when you treat a player in such a way that you don’t allow an open competition with another one because you’re afraid the former will lose out and have his feelings hurt. In other words, someone like Dak, who’s been coddled ever since he’s been here. It took Romo three years to earn the job from a real coach. It took fools gold to fool dumb and dumber and think that he was the reason the team was on a winning streak his rookie year.
 
SultanOfSix said:
Nothing in that description implies coddling. It simply implies that the coach didn’t think the player was ready to step on the field and produce in a professional manner and help the team win instead of being a detriment to it.

Coddling is when you treat a player in such a way that you don’t allow an open competition with another one because you’re afraid the former will lose out and have his feelings hurt. In other words, someone like Dak, who’s been coddled ever since he’s been here. It took Romo three years to earn the job from a real coach. It took fools gold to fool dumb and dumber and think that he was the reason the team was on a winning streak his rookie year.
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And yet Dak is ranked 8th in NFL history when it comes to passing.

Passer rating has it's criticisms and I agree it is not perfect but how could it be ruled completely out when the top five are Rodgers, Mahomes, Jackson, Burrow, and Wilson.

I didn't see your definition of "coddled" in any dictionary. Mine came straight out of one.

Again, no other QB in NFL history that was a starter at some point in his career has ever gone as long as Romo before throwing his first regulation pass.
 
plasticman said:
There has been only three times since the NFL and AFL merger in 1970 that a quarterback didn't throw a single pass in their first two years and eventually became a starter for at least one season.

Two, Romo and Jeff Hostetler, had the same HC, Bill Parcells. The other, HC was Tom Landry with Gary Hogeboom.

Many teams plan on "developing" a QB but they always seem to end up playing earlier than planned.

Tony Romo is the only QB in NFL history to not throw a single regular season pass in his first three years in the NFL and eventually become a starter.

As I mentioned earlier, he wasn't even active for a single game his first season, hence the absence of statistics for 2003.

coddle: To treat in an overprotective way

I believe I used the term appropriately.
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2003 they had Quincy Carter, who had a lot of talent, and Parcels loved.

2004 was Testaverde

2005 was Bledsoe

Why would Bill put in the backup QB when he had these QBs?
 
Runwildboys said:
2003 they had Quincy Carter, who had a lot of talent, and Parcels loved.

2004 was Testaverde

2005 was Bledsoe

Why would Bill put in the backup QB when he had these QBs?
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Romo wasn't the backup those first two seasons.

When Carter and Testaverde couldn't play it was Hutchinson and Henson. That was who Parcells threw to the wolves, not Romo.

Romo couldn't beat those guys out?

Parcells and Payton obviously saw something in him worth keeping because most other QB's would have been cut at some point. I'm not hating on him, I'm simply pointing out that he was given the most opportunity to develop than any other.
 
plasticman said:
Romo wasn't the backup those first two seasons.

When Carter and Testaverde couldn't play it was Hutchinson and Henson. That was who Parcells threw to the wolves, not Romo.

Romo couldn't beat those guys out?

Parcells and Payton obviously saw something in him worth keeping because most other QB's would have been cut at some point. I'm not hating on him, I'm simply pointing out that he was given the most opportunity to develop than any other.
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"Coddling" and "given the most opportunity" sound very different. Third string QBs get very little, if any time with the first team, and it's hard to develop when playing with scrubs. But that's beside the point.

Parcells was a stubborn man, when it came to his QBs. He didn't like to give up on them. Bledsoe had to become all but useless before he pulled him.
 
plasticman said:
And yet Dak is ranked 8th in NFL history when it comes to passing.

Passer rating has it's criticisms and I agree it is not perfect but how could it be ruled completely out when the top five are Rodgers, Mahomes, Jackson, Burrow, and Wilson.

I didn't see your definition of "coddled" in any dictionary. Mine came straight out of one.

Again, no other QB in NFL history that was a starter at some point in his career has ever gone as long as Romo before throwing his first regulation pass.
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It’s worth pointing out that your list of top 5 passer rating is all QBs outside of Rogers drafted around or within ten years ago. Perhaps that reflects a change in the game more so than QB play. But that’s irrelevant to what coddled means.

Just because I didn’t give a definition doesn’t mean I didn’t consider the one given correctly. You think Romo not throwing a pass in three years in a real game means he was coddled?

There are multiple synonyms for the term: pampered, spoiled, babied, catered to, favored, etc.

All of those terms imply someone who didn’t have to earn his way into his position, the exact opposite of Romo.

You used the term as if Parcells was just favoring him as some kind of pet favorite and he wasn’t actually learning, producing in practice, and earning the coach’s respect for nearly three years, which by all accounts, was the case, the exact opposite of being coddled.
 
SultanOfSix said:
It’s worth pointing out that your list of top 5 passer rating is all QBs outside of Rogers drafted around or within ten years ago. Perhaps that reflects a change in the game more so than QB play. But that’s irrelevant to what coddled means.

Just because I didn’t give a definition doesn’t mean I didn’t consider the one given correctly. You think Romo not throwing a pass in three years in a real game means he was coddled?

There are multiple synonyms for the term: pampered, spoiled, babied, catered to, favored, etc.

All of those terms imply someone who didn’t have to earn his way into his position, the exact opposite of Romo.

You used the term as if Parcells was just favoring him as some kind of pet favorite and he wasn’t actually learning, producing in practice, and earning the coach’s respect for nearly three years, which by all accounts, was the case, the exact opposite of being coddled.
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I think what he's actually trying to say, is Romo wasn't put in until Parcells thought he was completely ready, for fear that he'd lose confidence in himself. That may be true, but to me, that's how it should be. Dak might have benefitted from some of that, rather than being named the starter from the get go.

Maybe Parcells kept Romo out because he saw the potential for the mental side of the game and thought he could be great, if he soaked up all the knowledge he could, before going onto the field.

Still not what I'd call "coddled".
 
SteveTheCowboy said:
I could be wrong...but I don't remember people saying "we gotta get Romo a WR" "Romo needs a defense. Romo needs this and needs that. And we need a scheme to fit Romo".

They just go right to "romo choked".
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Smh. Cowboys wasted a 1st on Roy Williams because they thought they needed another receiver with TO. Romo needed it all which is why he choked and even when he had 12 Pro Bowlers it still wasn’t enough.
 
America's Cowboy said:
Not true. Dak's yearly stats prove otherwise...

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Dak and his Cowboys team even went a franchise record three straight 12 - 5 record seasons (2021 - 2023), plus playoffs every year, Dak being voted 2nd in MVP voting in 2023 along with making All Pro, which proves Dak has gotten better with age.
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We can talk about stats all day long but down 6 with 2 minutes to go in the 4th, you can trust romo to get the touchdown, can’t say the same for dak. Romo ran the 2 minute offense methodically, daks true colors show.
 
Runwildboys said:
I think what he's actually trying to say, is Romo wasn't put in until Parcells thought he was completely ready, for fear that he'd lose confidence in himself. That may be true, but to me, that's how it should be. Dak might have benefitted from some of that, rather than being named the starter from the get go.

Maybe Parcells kept Romo out because he saw the potential for the mental side of the game and thought he could be great, if he soaked up all the knowledge he could, before going onto the field.

Still not what I'd call "coddled".
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Yeah, that’s not what coddled implies. Being concerned that a player is not ready is a judgement call and doesn’t imply they are being over protective of them in the way the term means.

We coddle children because we think they could get hurt—physically, emotionally, etc. Parcells isn’t a coach that “babies” players. That much is obvious from watching videos of him coaching and the like.
 
TheMarathonContinues said:
Smh. Cowboys wasted a 1st on Roy Williams because they thought they needed another receiver with TO. Romo needed it all which is why he choked and even when he had 12 Pro Bowlers it still wasn’t enough.
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I think you mean, "12 other pro bowlers besides himself". Now you're just talking smack for the sake of being argumentative. You're taking the legitimate talking points about Dak, and trying to apply them to Romo. You're too good for that.
 
Runwildboys said:
I think you mean, "12 other pro bowlers besides himself". Now you're just talking smack for the sake of being argumentative. You're taking the legitimate talking points about Dak, and trying to apply them to Romo. You're too good for that.
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Cowboys had 13 Pro Bowlers. I said 12 because I wasn’t counting Romo.
 
phildadon86 said:
I love this kind of revisionist history.

Romo didnt start "processing the game" at an elite level until 2014. He should have won MVP that year to be fair, but to make it seem like he did that his entire career is disingenuous.
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He even said that in football life. He said towards the end of 2013 he had figured out the game but his body was on the decline. ( I’m paraphrasing). It’s sucks.
 
phildadon86 said:
I love this kind of revisionist history.

Romo didnt start "processing the game" at an elite level until 2014. He should have won MVP that year to be fair, but to make it seem like he did that his entire career is disingenuous.
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That’s the thing about these stands and posts. Romo out of his own mouth said 2014 is when things became elite for him but people want you to believe he was this way in 2003.
 
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