Romo and Dak based on Raw Ability

[diamonddelts]

The state of modern Cowboys fans.

We went from Staubach vs Aikman to Romo vs Dak.

My, how the once mighty have fallen.

Lmao. Exactly. Who is going to spend hours analyzing two chokers with the #1 and #2 worst playoff records of any starting QB with at least two starts in N.F.L. history.

You can't make this stuff up. Lol. Modern day Cowboys fans love to bottom feed on feces and garbage.

 

[goshann]

This was ChatGPT actually lol. Here is what happened when I asked it if it was overrating romo on pure ability:

Am I Overrating Tony Romo? A Deep Re-Evaluation

It’s a fair challenge to ask if I’m overrating Tony Romo. To ensure a balanced and objective comparison, I will re-examine Romo’s true ability using a data-driven analysis and compare him to other quarterbacks of similar skill levels.



Step 1: Revisiting Romo’s Strengths and Weaknesses


Before concluding if I ranked Romo too highly, let’s break down his true strengths and weaknesses objectively.

Category	Strengths	Weaknesses
Arm Talent	Elite mechanics, effortless deep ball, quick release	Lacked a true cannon arm like Mahomes/Favre
Accuracy	One of the most accurate QBs (65.3% career completion)	Occasional risk-taking led to bad INTs
Decision-Making	Elite processor, quick reads, aggressive playmaker	Sometimes forced throws instead of taking the safe play
Pocket Movement	One of the best escape artists ever (Aaron Rodgers-like)	Took extra hits trying to extend plays
Pre-Snap IQ	Changed protections, read defenses like Manning	Didn’t have a structured system to support him
Durability	Toughness (played through broken ribs)	Injury-prone, took unnecessary hits

Step 2: Comparing Romo to Other Top QBs in the Same Tier

To determine if Romo was overrated, let’s compare him against other elite passers who never won a Super Bowl (to remove team success from the equation).


Romo vs. Philip Rivers

Category	Tony Romo	Philip Rivers	Who Wins?
Arm Talent	9.5 - Quickest release, elite accuracy	8.5 - Strong arm but awkward mechanics	Romo
Decision-Making	8.5 - Smart but aggressive	9.0 - Elite processor, fewer forced throws	Rivers
Pocket Movement	9.0 - Excellent at extending plays	6.5 - Statuesque in the pocket	Romo
Pre-Snap IQ	9.5 - Called his own protections	9.5 - One of the best pre-snap QBs ever	Tie

Verdict: Romo was the better playmaker, Rivers was the better structured passer. If Rivers played behind Dallas’s weak O-line instead of Romo, he would have struggled due to lack of mobility.


Romo vs. Matt Ryan

Category	Tony Romo	Matt Ryan	Who Wins?
Arm Talent	9.5 - Quickest release, best touch	8.5 - Great touch, but lacks velocity	Romo
Decision-Making	8.5 - Risk-taking but efficient	9.0 - Less risk-taking, safer QB	Ryan
Pocket Movement	9.0 - Escapable, great at avoiding sacks	7.0 - Decent, but not elusive	Romo
Pre-Snap IQ	9.5 - Changed protections	9.0 - Good, but relied more on play calling	Romo

Verdict: Romo was better at improvising and creating plays, while Ryan thrived in a structured offense. If Ryan played in Romo’s chaotic Cowboys offenses, he would not have been as effective.







Step 3: Adjusting Romo’s Ranking Based on Competition


Now, let’s re-assess Romo’s placement based on skill level vs. other QBs.

QB Rank	Quarterback	Final Verdict Based on Talent
	Aaron Rodgers	Confirmed elite tier
	Peyton Manning	Confirmed elite tier
	Patrick Mahomes	Confirmed elite tier
	Dan Marino	Confirmed elite tier
	Steve Young	Confirmed elite tier
	John Elway	Confirmed elite tier
	Drew Brees	Confirmed elite tier
	Tom Brady	Confirmed elite tier
	Tony Romo	MAYBE Slightly Too High – Could drop to 10-12 range
	Joe Montana	Belongs here

Adjusted Verdict:


• Romo should likely drop 2-3 spots to #11 or #12, moving Joe Montana ahead since Montana had better consistency and accuracy overall.


• Still, Romo is better than Rivers, Ryan, and Stafford in pure ability.











Step 4: Final Adjusted Romo Ranking


Here’s where Romo should rank:

Rank	Quarterback	Why?
	Aaron Rodgers	Most complete QB ever
	Peyton Manning	Smartest pre-snap QB ever
	Patrick Mahomes	Best improviser, elite arm
	Dan Marino	Best pure passer of his time
	Steve Young	Most accurate dual-threat QB
	John Elway	Best arm talent before Mahomes
	Drew Brees	Most accurate passer ever
	Tom Brady	Best structured QB ever
	Joe Montana	Best system QB ever
	Tony Romo ( dropped from #9)	Most underrated, elite release
	Brett Favre	Strong arm, reckless decision-maker
	Philip Rivers	Efficient, great pre-snap IQ
	Matt Ryan	Great structure passer, less mobile
	Warren Moon	Best deep ball ever

Final Answer: Was Romo Overrated?





I wasn’t dramatically overrating Romo, but I moved him down slightly from #9 to #10.





Key Adjustments:


• Joe Montana should be ranked ahead of him for overall consistency.


• Romo is still superior to Rivers, Ryan, and Stafford in raw ability.


• Romo was a top-10 quarterback in terms of pure ability, but not top-5.





Final Conclusion:


✔ Tony Romo was NOT overrated, but he shouldn’t be in the same tier as Rodgers/Manning/Mahomes.


✔ He belongs in the 9-12 range, ahead of Rivers/Ryan but slightly behind Montana.

Weird. I asked ChatGPT to rank the top 30 QBs of all time and here is what it said:

Top 30 NFL Quarterbacks of All Time​

Tier 1: The GOATs​

1. Tom Brady – 7× Super Bowl champ, 5× Super Bowl MVP, 3× MVP, all-time leader in passing yards & TDs.
2. Joe Montana – 4× Super Bowl champ, 3× Super Bowl MVP, the ultimate clutch performer.
3. Peyton Manning – 5× MVP, 2× Super Bowl champ, one of the smartest QBs ever.
4. Johnny Unitas – 3× MVP, revolutionized the passing game in the 1950s & ‘60s.
5. Patrick Mahomes – 3× Super Bowl champ (so far), 2× MVP, already on pace to be an all-time great.

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Tier 2: Legends of Their Eras​

1. John Elway – 2× Super Bowl champ, 5× Super Bowl appearances, elite arm talent.
2. Dan Marino – No Super Bowls, but one of the best pure passers ever, held nearly all passing records.
3. Brett Favre – 3× MVP, 1× Super Bowl champ, ironman streak of 297 starts.
4. Steve Young – 3× Super Bowl champ, 2× MVP, elite passer and runner.
5. Drew Brees – All-time leader in completion percentage, Super Bowl champ, statistical beast.

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Tier 3: Champions & Elite Talents​

1. Aaron Rodgers – 4× MVP, 1× Super Bowl champ, one of the most efficient QBs ever.
2. Otto Graham – 7× champion in 10 seasons, defined dominance in the pre-Super Bowl era.
3. Roger Staubach – 2× Super Bowl champ, 4× NFC champ, one of the most clutch QBs ever.
4. Bart Starr – 5× NFL champ, 2× Super Bowl champ, legendary leader under Lombardi.
5. Sid Luckman – 4× NFL champ, innovated the modern passing game.

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Tier 4: Modern Greats & Hall of Famers​

1. Terry Bradshaw – 4× Super Bowl champ, played big in the biggest moments.
2. Fran Tarkenton – 1970s dual-threat QB, MVP, leader in all passing stats when he retired.
3. Ben Roethlisberger – 2× Super Bowl champ, ultra-clutch, physically dominant.
4. Troy Aikman – 3× Super Bowl champ, leader of the 1990s Cowboys dynasty.
5. Kurt Warner – 2× MVP, Super Bowl champ, from undrafted to Hall of Fame.

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Tier 5: All-Time Talents​

1. Russell Wilson – Super Bowl champ, dynamic playmaker, elite prime years.
2. Jim Kelly – Led the Bills to 4 straight Super Bowls, key figure in no-huddle offense.
3. Joe Namath – Guaranteed & won Super Bowl III, first 4,000-yard passer.
4. Ken Stabler – Super Bowl champ, one of the smoothest passers of his time.
5. Bob Griese – 2× Super Bowl champ, led the only undefeated team in NFL history.

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Tier 6: Borderline Hall of Famers & Impact QBs​

1. Philip Rivers – No rings, but top 5 in yards & TDs, consistently great.
2. Matt Ryan – MVP, led Falcons to a Super Bowl, one of the best statistical QBs.
3. Warren Moon – CFL & NFL legend, one of the best passers never to win a ring.
4. Y.A. Tittle – Multiple MVPs, elite in the 1950s & ‘60s.
5. Eli Manning – 2× Super Bowl MVP, defined by postseason clutch play.

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Honorable Mentions​

• Tony Romo – Great stats, but postseason struggles.
• Donovan McNabb – Took Eagles to multiple NFC championships.
• Boomer Esiason – MVP, led Bengals to a Super Bowl.
• Cam Newton – MVP, nearly led Carolina to a championship.
• Andrew Luck – Short career but elite talent.

This list balances rings, stats, MVPs, and overall impact. Would you swap anyone out?

 

[goshann]

Weird. I asked ChatGPT to rank the top 30 QBs of all time and here is what it said:

Top 30 NFL Quarterbacks of All Time​

Tier 1: The GOATs​

1. Tom Brady – 7× Super Bowl champ, 5× Super Bowl MVP, 3× MVP, all-time leader in passing yards & TDs.
2. Joe Montana – 4× Super Bowl champ, 3× Super Bowl MVP, the ultimate clutch performer.
3. Peyton Manning – 5× MVP, 2× Super Bowl champ, one of the smartest QBs ever.
4. Johnny Unitas – 3× MVP, revolutionized the passing game in the 1950s & ‘60s.
5. Patrick Mahomes – 3× Super Bowl champ (so far), 2× MVP, already on pace to be an all-time great.

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Tier 2: Legends of Their Eras​

1. John Elway – 2× Super Bowl champ, 5× Super Bowl appearances, elite arm talent.
2. Dan Marino – No Super Bowls, but one of the best pure passers ever, held nearly all passing records.
3. Brett Favre – 3× MVP, 1× Super Bowl champ, ironman streak of 297 starts.
4. Steve Young – 3× Super Bowl champ, 2× MVP, elite passer and runner.
5. Drew Brees – All-time leader in completion percentage, Super Bowl champ, statistical beast.

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Tier 3: Champions & Elite Talents​

1. Aaron Rodgers – 4× MVP, 1× Super Bowl champ, one of the most efficient QBs ever.
2. Otto Graham – 7× champion in 10 seasons, defined dominance in the pre-Super Bowl era.
3. Roger Staubach – 2× Super Bowl champ, 4× NFC champ, one of the most clutch QBs ever.
4. Bart Starr – 5× NFL champ, 2× Super Bowl champ, legendary leader under Lombardi.
5. Sid Luckman – 4× NFL champ, innovated the modern passing game.

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Tier 4: Modern Greats & Hall of Famers​

1. Terry Bradshaw – 4× Super Bowl champ, played big in the biggest moments.
2. Fran Tarkenton – 1970s dual-threat QB, MVP, leader in all passing stats when he retired.
3. Ben Roethlisberger – 2× Super Bowl champ, ultra-clutch, physically dominant.
4. Troy Aikman – 3× Super Bowl champ, leader of the 1990s Cowboys dynasty.
5. Kurt Warner – 2× MVP, Super Bowl champ, from undrafted to Hall of Fame.

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Tier 5: All-Time Talents​

1. Russell Wilson – Super Bowl champ, dynamic playmaker, elite prime years.
2. Jim Kelly – Led the Bills to 4 straight Super Bowls, key figure in no-huddle offense.
3. Joe Namath – Guaranteed & won Super Bowl III, first 4,000-yard passer.
4. Ken Stabler – Super Bowl champ, one of the smoothest passers of his time.
5. Bob Griese – 2× Super Bowl champ, led the only undefeated team in NFL history.

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Tier 6: Borderline Hall of Famers & Impact QBs​

1. Philip Rivers – No rings, but top 5 in yards & TDs, consistently great.
2. Matt Ryan – MVP, led Falcons to a Super Bowl, one of the best statistical QBs.
3. Warren Moon – CFL & NFL legend, one of the best passers never to win a ring.
4. Y.A. Tittle – Multiple MVPs, elite in the 1950s & ‘60s.
5. Eli Manning – 2× Super Bowl MVP, defined by postseason clutch play.

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Honorable Mentions​

• Tony Romo – Great stats, but postseason struggles.
• Donovan McNabb – Took Eagles to multiple NFC championships.
• Boomer Esiason – MVP, led Bengals to a Super Bowl.
• Cam Newton – MVP, nearly led Carolina to a championship.
• Andrew Luck – Short career but elite talent.

This list balances rings, stats, MVPs, and overall impact. Would you swap anyone out?

how would you rank them on skills and talent?

ChatGPT said:​

If we focus strictly on skills and talent, rather than career accomplishments, Super Bowls, or longevity, the rankings shift. This list is based on arm strength, accuracy, mobility, decision-making, football IQ, improvisation, and overall playmaking ability.

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Top 30 Most Skilled & Talented QBs of All Time​

Tier 1: Unmatched Physical & Mental Talent​

1. Patrick Mahomes – The total package: elite arm, creativity, mobility, clutch play, and insane football IQ.
2. Aaron Rodgers – Possibly the most naturally gifted passer ever; pinpoint accuracy, off-platform throws, mobility, and a top-tier football IQ.
3. John Elway – Cannon for an arm, elite mobility, clutch gene; carried teams before late-career Super Bowl wins.
4. Dan Marino – Quickest release ever, unreal accuracy, legendary arm strength.
5. Steve Young – Maybe the best dual-threat QB ever, perfect blend of passing and rushing ability.
6. Peyton Manning – Not the best arm or athlete, but the smartest QB to ever play, with unmatched pre-snap adjustments.

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Tier 2: Elite Playmakers with Unique Abilities​

1. Tom Brady – Not the most physically gifted, but his processing, accuracy, and clutch gene make him elite.
2. Brett Favre – Insane arm talent, gunslinger mentality, could make any throw (but also threw a ton of INTs).
3. Joe Montana – Not a power thrower, but his poise, accuracy, and clutch play make him legendary.
4. Lamar Jackson – Best running QB ever? Blazing speed, elite agility, and a better passer than critics admit.
5. Michael Vick – The most physically electrifying QB ever, insane speed & cannon arm, but lacked consistency.
6. Josh Allen – Basically a modern John Elway: ridiculous arm, great runner, but still prone to reckless mistakes.

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Tier 3: Elite in Their Prime (Skill Over Rings)​

1. Drew Brees – Best pure passer ever? Unbelievable accuracy and decision-making.
2. Russell Wilson – Great deep ball, mobility, clutch, but declined in recent years.
3. Andrew Luck – Had all the tools: arm, brain, mobility; short career hurt his legacy.
4. Justin Herbert – Physically gifted, elite arm, quick release, great decision-making (but still needs playoff success).
5. Cam Newton – Best power-running QB ever, combined size, speed, and underrated arm talent.
6. Fran Tarkenton – The original scrambling playmaker, ahead of his time.
7. Deshaun Watson (Pre-2021) – Pure playmaking, elite deep ball, great improvisation.
8. Ken Stabler – One of the smoothest passers ever, incredible accuracy & touch.

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Tier 4: Great, But Lacked Something (Longevity, Consistency, or Support)​

1. Troy Aikman – Insanely accurate, but played in a run-heavy offense that masked his talent.
2. Philip Rivers – Quickest release post-Marino, never had elite athleticism but had a killer arm.
3. Matt Stafford – Cannon arm, ridiculous no-look throws, inconsistent but highly talented.
4. Randall Cunningham – Before Vick, he was the most exciting running QB with a rocket arm.
5. Warren Moon – Maybe the most underrated passer ever; huge arm, elite deep-ball.
6. Joe Namath – Before injuries, he had one of the biggest arms of all time.
7. Kyler Murray – Lightning quick release, elite mobility, but not polished yet.
8. Terry Bradshaw – Big-time arm, but system and team masked some of his limitations.
9. Jalen Hurts – Rising star, great dual-threat talent, elite poise & decision-making.
10. Dak Prescott – Very solid all-around, but lacks elite traits like arm strength or deep-ball mastery.

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Biggest Omissions (Potential but Not Enough Sample Size Yet)​

• C.J. Stroud – If he continues to develop, he could be one of the best pure passers in history.
• Trevor Lawrence – Great tools, hasn’t fully put it together yet.
• Joe Burrow – Unbelievable pocket presence & accuracy, but lacks arm strength compared to the elites.
• Jordan Love – Could crack this list in the future.

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Final Thoughts​

• Mahomes, Rodgers, and Marino are the most purely skilled passers ever.
• Vick, Lamar, and Cam are the most physically freakish QBs.
• Manning and Brady separate themselves with IQ and processing rather than raw athleticism.

If you're picking based on pure ability, this is the list. Do you agree, or would you shuffle some guys around?

You said:​

What about Romo?

ChatGPT said:​

Tony Romo is one of the most underrated pure talents at quarterback. While his lack of postseason success keeps him off all-time legacy lists, when ranking QBs purely on skill and talent, he belongs in the conversation.

Where Does Tony Romo Rank on a Skills & Talent List?​

I'd slot Romo somewhere between 20-25 on a purely talent-based list. Here’s why:

What Made Romo Special?​

1. Elite Playmaking & Improvisation
   • One of the best off-script QBs ever, could extend plays at an elite level.
   • Great escapability in the pocket despite not being the fastest guy.
2. Highly Underrated Arm Talent
   • Could make every throw, especially deep balls.
   • Quick release and great zip on tight-window passes.
3. Elite Football IQ & Pre-Snap Reads
   • Romo was basically an offensive coordinator on the field.
   • Excellent at reading defenses & adjusting protections.
4. Incredible Accuracy & Touch
   • Completed 65.3% of his passes for his career, despite playing in an era that wasn’t as pass-heavy as today.
   • Threw one of the best touch passes of his generation.
5. Clutch... but also Not?
   • 30+ game-winning drives, one of the highest rates in history.
   • But also had some high-profile late-game mistakes (botched hold vs. Seattle, INT vs. Green Bay in the Dez Catch game).

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Where Would I Rank Him on a Talent List?​

Here’s a rough placement:

Tier 3: Elite in Their Prime (Skill Over Rings)​

• 14. Drew Brees – Best pure passer, insane accuracy.
• 15. Russell Wilson – Great deep ball, mobility, clutch play.
• 16. Andrew Luck – All the tools, short career.
• 17. Justin Herbert – Cannon arm, decision-making still developing.
• 18. Cam Newton – Physical freak, underrated passer in his prime.
• 19. Fran Tarkenton – Pre-Mahomes level improviser.
• 20. Tony Romo – Right in this range. One of the best natural QBs never to win big.
• 21. Deshaun Watson (Pre-2021) – Pure playmaker, elite deep ball.
• 22. Ken Stabler – Smooth lefty, accurate and clutch.
• 23. Matt Stafford – Big-time arm, inconsistent.
• 24. Randall Cunningham – Before Vick, he was the mobile QB.
• 25. Warren Moon – Huge arm, pure passer.

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Final Thoughts on Romo​

• Talent-wise → Absolutely in the top 25 QBs ever.
• Legacy-wise → Falls short due to lack of playoff success.

Romo is one of the best QBs ever to never win a ring, and in terms of raw passing ability, improvisation, and football IQ, he was elite. Would you put him even higher?
4o

 

[McKDaddy]

It’s not the mistakes per se. It’s more so when two juggernauts show up who do I get? When a win or you in game happens am I getting a great game? Or just ok? Good enough? Good enough just ain’t good enough in Dallas. Romo would’ve been good enough in San Diego or Cleveland. In Dallas it just wasn’t enough. 200 yards and 1 Td in a big game just isn’t it.

Would you agree that's not how the world generally defines it though?

Other than the Vikings game, his teams were never beaten by more than a score and were never behind by large margins. 1 turnover in the 5 games other than the Vikings. So, I just don't see a pattern of recklessness or failure to show up. At the end of the day a lot of playoff games are tight games where a play or two determine the outcome. Why couldn't someone else have caught a ball? Broke a run or return? Got at turnover? Not committed a penalty?

How many outstanding plays did he make to give his team a chance in all those games? (I would honestly have to go back & watch myself)

 

[darthseinfeld]

There you go....the game Romo went toe to toe with on one the best of his day.

Romos problem that game...defense couldn't stop anything. Time running out and Romo has to gamble.

But for you well...all romos fault. Exactly what I was talking about thank you for proving my point. Assessing wins and especially lisses with zero thought...or memory.

Ya it was a great game. However your signature game was a loss, then you arent amongst the greats. Both Romo and Prescott should be proud of their careers, but neither of them are HOF caliber QB. They are in the convo with guys like Ryan and Rivers and not guys like Rodgers, Rothlisberger or Brees. Cowboys lowered the bar after the Carter years. Then got too emotional. They'll accept empty calorie QB's as long as they look good

 

[darthseinfeld]

This analysis ignores post season success. If we were ranking on post season success, this list would look a lot different.

When judging QB's you need to have the postseason in there

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Would you agree that's not how the world generally defines it though?

Other than the Vikings game, his teams were never beaten by more than a score and were never behind by large margins. 1 turnover in the 5 games other than the Vikings. So, I just don't see a pattern of recklessness or failure to show up. At the end of the day a lot of playoff games are tight games where a play or two determine the outcome. Why couldn't someone else have caught a ball? Broke a run or return? Got at turnover? Not committed a penalty?

How many outstanding plays did he make to give his team a chance in all those games? (I would honestly have to go back & watch myself)

I don’t consider just turnovers as choking. Because if you throw for 2 picks but throw 3 touchdowns you contributed to 21 points. I’ve just never seen Romo play in a playoff game and thought wow he had the game of his life. Even Dak had one against the Buccs and I share thst same criticism of Dak. 1 touchdown and 200 yards just isn’t enough. Maybe some games that will be enough. Or how about a right wheeled both teams punch each other in the mouth and our quarterback has the last play of the game and seals the victory? This is what we miss in the playoffs. And it’s not just a one person thing it’s a culture thing. We don’t get in fights and swing back. We get punched and ball up. That’s not how champions are made. And Dak and Romo both contributed their part in that. No doubt in my mind both were talented enough. I don’t know if they possessed that dog. Dak had it at one point especially in college. Came to Dallas and it all left.

 

[bewp7]

they both stink

 

[McKDaddy]

I don’t consider just turnovers as choking. Because if you throw for 2 picks but throw 3 touchdowns you contributed to 21 points. I’ve just never seen Romo play in a playoff game and thought wow he had the game of his life. Even Dak had one against the Buccs and I share thst same criticism of Dak. 1 touchdown and 200 yards just isn’t enough. Maybe some games that will be enough. Or how about a right wheeled both teams punch each other in the mouth and our quarterback has the last play of the game and seals the victory? This is what we miss in the playoffs. And it’s not just a one person thing it’s a culture thing. We don’t get in fights and swing back. We get punched and ball up. That’s not how champions are made. And Dak and Romo both contributed their part in that. No doubt in my mind both were talented enough. I don’t know if they possessed that dog. Dak had it at one point especially in college. Came to Dallas and it all left.

I would agree that Romo didn't have the game of his life in the playoffs.

A lot of the things you speak of though, I would attribute to team more than individual player. JMO

 

[NewEraCowboy]

You need to fire ChatGPT if thats where this is coming from.

Romo is more than "slightly behind" Montana. Montana won more Super Bowls than Romo won playoffs games

This analysis ignores post season success. If we were ranking on post season success, this list would look a lot

 

[diamonddelts]

they both stink

Like choosing between throw up or feces.

 

[diamonddelts]

Cowboys lowered the bar after the Carter years. Then got too emotional.

Post of the year.

 

[gimmesix]

Because some people remember him fondly (myself included), and can't stand the thought that other people don't. (Doesn't bother me enough to start a thread, or argue too vehemently.)

Feel the same. Romo's days are long gone, so I rarely see reason to dwell on them even if I disagree strongly with some of what is said about him. For me, it's a little like arguing whether Emmitt Smith was a better running back than Barry Sanders. What's the use? (Of course, I guess the more modern equivalent would be something like DeMarcus Ware vs. Micah Parsons or CeeDee Lamb vs. Dez Bryant.)

 

[Kingofholland]

If Romo was that elite there's no way he should have only had 2 playoff wins. Love Romo, but he and his teams just didn't get it done and that's what seperates the great ones from the good ones. Romo will always be a good QB to me, but he's not a top 10 QB in the era he played. Unless something changes fast, the same would be said for Dak.

 

[plasticman]

Respectfully,

Tony Romo sat on a bench for over three years before the Cowboys trusted him enough to throw a single pass during a regular season game. He wasn't even activated for a single game in his first season.

I take "raw" as meaning his physical and natural abilities.

Meanwhile, Dak started the very first game of his rookie season and not only led the team to an eleven-game winning streak, but he also had one of the best seasons for a rookie QB in history. He played so well that Romo couldn't get his job back when he was healthy.

Dak even broke Tom Brady's record for most career passes before his first INT. When Tony came out to replace Bledsoe and become the new starter, his very first pass was an INT.

In fact, Dak started every single game of his first 4 seasons and his statistics reflect having to learn on the field.

If you are going to claim that Romo improved to the point that he overcame what Dak has done (so far!), then you cannot be referring to raw ability.

Romo was coddled for over three years. The only action he saw during that time was as a holder for field goals, a skill he obviously forgot as soon as he became the starter.

Romo didn't start until he was set up with three Pro Bowl O-linemen, a Hall of Fame receiver and a Hall of Fame TE. Tony Romo had more Pro Bowl offensive linemen than any other QB during the time he was a starter.

However, I think the greatest issue with the comparison is that people seem to forget that Romo's career is over. It is what it is and it will never change. I might be wiser to wait until Dak's career is complete. I have seen far lesser QB's rise up during their final seasons.

There are certainly areas in which Romo was better, but I doubt is included raw ability.

This is not an endorsement of Dak's results, I'm simply saying that the circumstances are so incongruent, let's not compare. So far, they are both empty of real accomplishment and that is sad, either way.

 

[Swagger]

Apparently he's a choke artist

 

[Swagger]

If Romo was that elite there's no way he should have only had 2 playoff wins. Love Romo, but he and his teams just didn't get it done and that's what seperates the great ones from the good ones. Romo will always be a good QB to me, but he's not a top 10 QB in the era he played. Unless something changes fast, the same would be said for Dak.

The only year he had a good defense was his rookie season (no rookie QB has ever won a Superbowl obviously) and Crayton hesitated on his route from a perfectly thrown ball then the Cowboys beat the eventual Superbowl Champions who also subsequently beat the undefeated Patriots under a certain Tom Brady.

How many top 10 defenses did Brady have in his career compared with the likes of Rodgers and Romo?

I don't know maybe you can't win a Superbowl without a good defense

No other quarterback is winning or even reaching a Superbowl with the teams Romo had whereas there's a huge argument that a better quarterback than Dak Prescott would have done with the teams he has wasted particularly the loss against Green Bay in 2016 (Packers had one of the worst pass defenses in play off history yet Dak and the Cowboys offense wasted most of the first half when the defense was struggling. Defense showed up second half but it was too late after they didn't do their job in the first half and the offense butchered several drives which ended up losing the game) and both play off losses to the 49ers.

That's the difference between them.

 

[diamonddelts]

The only year he had a good defense was his rookie season (no rookie QB has ever won a Superbowl obviously) and Crayton hesitated on his route from a perfectly thrown ball then the Cowboys beat the eventual Superbowl Champions who also subsequently beat the undefeated Patriots under a certain Tom Brady.

How many top 10 defenses did Brady have in his career compared with the likes of Rodgers and Romo?

I don't know maybe you can't win a Superbowl without a good defense

No other quarterback is winning or even reaching a Superbowl with the teams Romo had whereas there's a huge argument that a better quarterback than Dak Prescott would have done with the teams he has wasted particularly the loss against Green Bay in 2016 (Packers had one of the worst pass defenses in play off history yet Dak and the Cowboys offense wasted most of the first half when the defense was struggling. Defense showed up second half but it was too late after they didn't do their job in the first half and the offense butchered several drives which ended up losing the game) and both play off losses to the 49ers.

That's the difference between them.

Great breakdown.

 

[Section446]

Dak just isn't very smart.

 

[Bullflop]

Picking a favorite between Romo and/or Dak seems an exercise in futility to me. Obviously, Romo is totally immersed in the business of the TV media and is not a factor in anything to do with the Dallas Cowboys at this juncture, other than to analyze their games upon occasion. If I had to pick one to lead this team, Romo would be my choice at QB if both were at their peak and healthy. He cannot do so from where he sits, however.

Dak is currently the one and only consideration for this team and will most likely be, for the next several years, at least. If it really matters to us as fans here, both have fallen short of success in the playoffs, which is what many ardent Cowboys' fans consider quite important. Both have proven themselves to be good but with limitations, when it comes to their playoff performance. Also, Dak is still active.