Romo or Brees

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Is this a joke? It has to be a joke. Brees is on a whole other level. He is one of the best to ever play the position. Romo? Good player.

This, all the way!

 

[noshame]

Lol
Give Tony a chance
Romo or Quincy

 

[TheFinisher]

Imagine thinking this is a thing.

 

[CPanther95]

There’s nothing skewed about it, he completed 90% of his passes. The small sample size means the number isn’t very reliable, but the actual feat itself is no easier or harder than completing 900 out of 1000 passes or 900,000 out of 1,000,000 passes. It’s exactly the same.

I can't believe this is a debate.

Trey Burton is 1 for 1 with 1 TD.

If Romo's 435 attempts in 2014 resulted in 435 receptions and 435 TDs - that would certainly be a more difficult feat to accomplish.

 

[percyhoward]

With all due respect the QB rating is flawed.

Look at this list especially beyond the top 10 with names that would never be included with any top 25 greatest QB of all time .

Just another example how this pass happy era has inflated these type off statistics.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

That doesn't mean passer rating is flawed. It's the cross-era comparisons that are flawed, because passing ratings are higher than they used to be.

Use the yearly rankings, not the raw ratings. Then you can compare players from any era. (League size starts to matter a lot if you go back before 1970.)

(passer rating)
Avg rank -- 5 best seasons
Staubach 1st
Brees 2nd
Aikman 4th
Romo 5th

Avg rank -- 8 best seasons
Brees 3rd
Staubach 5th
Romo 6th
Aikman 7th

With better defenses over their careers, Romo would probably have at least one ring, and Brees would likely have multiple rings.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

I can't believe this is a debate.

Trey Burton is 1 for 1 with 1 TD.

If Romo's 435 attempts in 2014 resulted in 435 receptions and 435 TDs - that would certainly be a more difficult feat to accomplish.

I can’t believe our high schools are churning out such horrible math students.
Yes, I’m sure many useful things have been derived from a sample size of “1”.

 

[CPanther95]

I can’t believe our high schools are churning out such horrible math students.
Yes, I’m sure many useful things have been derived from a sample size of “1”.

LOL.

You're the one claiming 900 is the same as 900,000 and that percentage is king ... sample size means nothing.

It appears you're conflating math (kudos on being able to calculate percentages) with statistics and probability.

 

[TwentyOne]

Keep in mind that football is a team sport. Thus, Brees may have more playoff wins, yet it doesn't automatically= " Better".

In their prime, who would you rather have? Furthermore, who was better in your opinion?

Brees all day.

 

[Roadtrip635]

I can't believe this is a debate.

Trey Burton is 1 for 1 with 1 TD.

If Romo's 435 attempts in 2014 resulted in 435 receptions and 435 TDs - that would certainly be a more difficult feat to accomplish.

Emmitt's career TD% is 100% one pass thrown and one TD. So I guess it can be argued that not only is he the best RB of all time, but the best QB too!

 

[OmerV]

You are making a lot of assumptions. There is zero evidence that passing the ball more leads to less efficiency. For every speculative “pinning your ears back moment” that you could come up with, I could counter with Brees padding his stats against an overmatched and tired defense like the 49-17 whooping the Cowboys received from them a few years back. And I’ll point out again, the QBs last year that had the fewest attempts were the worst ones, not the best.
And who has padded their stats more than Drew Brees? Drew Brees has thrown for over 1450 yards and 10 TDS while leading by 2 TDS or more in the 4th quarter. Romo has 5 TDS and 663 yards.

The stat padding is a fair point, but the counter to that is that is only certain moments in certain games, whereas opposing defenses know that every game, from the beginning of the game, Brees is going to throw the ball overhwlimingly more than he hands it off, and they can plan their defense accordingly.

And, ultimately, I see no way you can deny that the more a team is dependent on the passing game, the more pressure there is on the QB to carry the team, and the more opposing defenses game plan for it. Heck, you saw what happened when Zeke went out last year and more of the burden was on Dak. Before Zeke's suspension started Dak had 13 TDs and 4 INTs, and in the 6 games Zeke was out he threw 5 TDs and 7 INTs. In the first 9 games of the season Dak had 1 game with a QBR less than 8, and in the 6 games Zeke was out he had 3 games with a QB rating less than 80. There is a reason there are only a handful of players at the level of Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and that's because there aren't a lot of QB's that can handle the pressure of carrying so much of the burden on their shoulders.

 

[visionary]

Any non cowboy fanboy would laugh you out of the building

 

[Super_Kazuya]

LOL.

You're the one claiming 900 is the same as 900,000 and that percentage is king ... sample size means nothing.

It appears you're conflating math (kudos on being able to calculate percentages) with statistics and probability.

900 is probably a fine sample size. It depends on what you are dealing with. Calculating sample size is pretty complicated and beyond the ability of laymen like ourselves, and certainly beyond novices like Roadtrip635 and the MarcusRock troll, which is why they went to immediately hide under their rock when challenged.
The NFL seems to think that 1500 attempts is a good starting point to qualify for their career stats, and I feel confident they didn’t pull those out of thin air. Romo has over 4,000.

 

[OmerV]

True.. regarding Sayers. Which Romo’s shortened career to injury could also be a similar argument assuming you agreed his talent level or effectiveness and production was similar to Brees in his Abbreviated time.

There is some parallel to Romo, however Sayers only had 4 healthy seasons, whereas Romo had

True.. regarding Sayers. Which Romo’s shortened career to injury could also be a similar argument assuming you agreed his talent level or effectiveness and production was similar to Brees in his Abbreviated time.

Romo was 35 when injuries derailed his career. Sayers was 27. We got a much bigger sample size with Romo. Even so, again, it's not just about the number of years, we are talking about QB's, which is a different animal, and how the difference between those that carry a bigger burden of the offense with their arm than others do.

 

[OmerV]

900 is probably a fine sample size. It depends on what you are dealing with. Calculating sample size is pretty complicated and beyond the ability of laymen like ourselves, and certainly beyond novices like Roadtrip635 and the MarcusRock troll, which is why they went to immediately hide under their rock when challenged.
The NFL seems to think that 1500 attempts is a good starting point to qualify for their career stats, and I feel confident they didn’t pull those out of thin air. Romo has over 4,000.

Again, I don't think career sample size is the only issue. There is also game to game, year to year sample size, and without question a QB who throws 40 times a game or more has more pressure on him than one that throws 30 times a game.

 

[mrmojo]

Must be a Romo thread... ..Super K is out in force....

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Must be a Romo thread... ..Super K is out in force....

Strangely enough, it’s a math thread. The Romo part of the thread has been predictably boring with the same people saying their canned lines. I’ve even gotten a Steph Curry reference in.

 

[Roadtrip635]

That doesn't mean passer rating is flawed. It's the cross-era comparisons that are flawed, because passing ratings are higher than they used to be.

Use the yearly rankings, not the raw ratings. Then you can compare players from any era. (League size starts to matter a lot if you go back before 1970.)

(passer rating)
Avg rank -- 5 best seasons
Staubach 1st
Brees 2nd
Aikman 4th
Romo 5th

Avg rank -- 8 best seasons
Brees 3rd
Staubach 5th
Romo 6th
Aikman 7th

With better defenses over their careers, Romo would probably have at least one ring, and Brees would likely have multiple rings.

I agree with better defenses, Tony would probably have at least one ring and Brees multiple. Dallas has had some bad or questionable defenses, but Brees has also had some historically bad defenses along the way. The Saints hold the records with most yards allowed in a season , 7000+ and most TD passes in a season allowed, and those weren't even in the same seasons.....ouch

 

[MarcusRock]

Emmitt's career TD% is 100% one pass thrown and one TD. So I guess it can be argued that not only is he the best RB of all time, but the best QB too!

Nah man. You left out Dez. He also is 100% on TD throws. Although Emmitt's QB Rating is higher because he threw for more yards.

 

[MarcusRock]

LOL.

You're the one claiming 900 is the same as 900,000 and that percentage is king ... sample size means nothing.

It appears you're conflating math (kudos on being able to calculate percentages) with statistics and probability.

Exactly my point last night. But hey, if we can perfect having football played in a vacuum by equally calibrated machines, maybe we can create his scenario where 900 passes are exactly on par with 9,000.

 

[MarcusRock]

900 is probably a fine sample size. It depends on what you are dealing with. Calculating sample size is pretty complicated and beyond the ability of laymen like ourselves, and certainly beyond novices like Roadtrip635 and the MarcusRock troll, which is why they went to immediately hide under their rock when challenged.
The NFL seems to think that 1500 attempts is a good starting point to qualify for their career stats, and I feel confident they didn’t pull those out of thin air. Romo has over 4,000.

Hide? No, I can just find better things to do on a day off work than attempt to explain statistical probability to someone who's gone too far to turn back and admit anything now. You were given multiple examples by multiple people and your response is basically, "Nuh uh. Throwing more doesn't matter." I tried baseball, tried basketball, was thinking about soccer shots on goal but ran out of patience. So pound your chest all you want but you're the one not addressing people's specific examples while looking like the idiot here.