Romo Speaks..

[RoyTheHammer]

So basically what you are saying is that you really have no idea, correct???


You make posts about how "you think" he is not a leader and how this comment or that comment proves he is not a leader, but the truth is that is just your opinion.

My opinion is that he is a leader.

Yes, you're correct.. i think he lacks leadership qualties. I don't believe i ever said that any of my points i used to back up my opinion proves anything about the guy.. and if i did i did not mean to. I think i've pretty much made it clear that its my opinion, based on what i've seen and heard.. that's he's not a leader and not someone that can lead us to a super bowl.

Just because that's my opinion doesn't make it fact.. just as someone who has the opinion that he is a leader can't prove that he is.

This is a message board.. i thought the whole idea was to come on and discuss posters' various opinions of subjects relating to the Cowboys. If i said something that offended anyone it was not intentional, and im not saying that im 100 percent right and everyone else is wrong at all. Never have.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

More than any other player on the team ? Yes indeed.

You can't change the question to fit your answer and expect anyone to take it seriously. You really think Palmer is a leader? Not just, "well if anyone on that team is a leader i would pick him".

 

[Hostile]

No.. it means Jenkins wanted tips on opposing QB's.. so naturally he went to the starting QB.

``He's in early, he's in that training room a 7 a.m. every morning, and he's in our meetings and once we go out on the practice field they have a whole regimen for him to go through some different rehab stuff, but he's very much involved, the ideas keep coming and he's engaged with our football team.''

im not sure that means he's helping coach the team tho Hos..


Either way.. as i said there's a line between talent and leadership. At least very least Romo clearly has all the talent in the world. And i hope im wrong about his leadership qualities because if i am we should be seeing playoff wins building up in the next couple years and hopefully we make a run to that final victory. Again.. i'll be the happiest guy here if that happens.

First off, Jenkins would not go to the starting QB if he were not the leader. Dude, you're really missing something very obvious. He was sought out for advice, and he got it, and Jenkins credited him with making him a better football player. Do you honestly think a Raiders player would have gone to JaMarcus Russell? The action speaks louder than the words.

What do leaders do? Talk well? That is what I am hearing you say. Tony Romo is sayign exactly the same stuff Peyton Manning usually says. Football speak. It's also called "give the media nothing." Stop paying attention to the media. Most of them simply do not know football. Especially do not pay attention to Steve Dennis. He is a moron.

Lastly, I bolded the part that you apparently read but do not see. "Very much involved." How would an injured player be "very much involved?" It answers itself. "The ideas keep coming." Romo is soliciting ideas? How is that not leadership? "He's engaged with our football team." This should not be seen as like a girl wearing a ring. This is like when you put a car in gear and engage the transmission to make it go.

I cited a perfect example from yesterday. Him giving Ware and Spencer advice. Again, how is that not leadership?

 

[Hostile]

Is Carson Palmer a leader? Because he has been the Bengals franchise QB.

I don't see him as a franchise QB. He doesn't take players with him to Mexico so I don't see how he could be a leader.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

First off, Jenkins would not go to the starting QB if he were not the leader. Dude, you're really missing something very obvious. He was sought out for advice, and he got it, and Jenkins credited him with making him a better football player. Do you honestly think a Raiders player would have gone to JaMarcus Russell? The action speaks louder than the words.

What do leaders do? Talk well? That is what I am hearing you say. Tony Romo is sayign exactly the same stuff Peyton Manning usually says. Football speak. It's also called "give the media nothing." Stop paying attention to the media. Most of them simply do not know football. Especially do not pay attention to Steve Dennis. He is a moron.

Lastly, I bolded the part that you apparently read but do not see. "Very much involved." How would an injured player be "very much involved?" It answers itself. "The ideas keep coming." Romo is soliciting ideas? How is that not leadership? "He's engaged with our football team." This should not be seen as like a girl wearing a ring. This is like when you put a car in gear and engage the transmission to make it go.

I cited a perfect example from yesterday. Him giving Ware and Spencer advice. Again, how is that not leadership?

Brooking is a leader on the team as well. Does that mean Jenkins would go to him for advice on quarterbacks?

As for yesterday during the game, it was Tony helping out and being a teammate. He was injured, on the sidelines.. and noticed things about the opposing offense. He most likely was relating that to his defense. I think any player would do the same if they had knowledge of some tendancy or strategy the other team was using, don't you? Does that make them all leaders?


I get your points.. there are examples out there for both sides of this debate. The only thing i want to see from Romo is success. Leaders find a way to win, no matter what.. is what Tony said. He's had some very good teams around him in his career and we don't have any postseason success to show for it yet. That has to change if he want's to be considered one of the greats. People bring up Payton, but he's 9 and 9 in the postseason. And Brady.. he has the best postseason record of any QB in the last 50 years i'm fairly sure. It takes a team effort, but Romo has had good teams, and if he's such a leader, and inspires his teammates that much, you'd think he could have lead us at least a little further in one of our playoff years.

He still has time to prove himself, and like i said if im wrong, then i'd expect we'll be seeing some postseason success in the next couple years in Dallas here.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Yes, you're correct.. i think he lacks leadership qualties. I don't believe i ever said that any of my points i used to back up my opinion proves anything about the guy.. and if i did i did not mean to. I think i've pretty much made it clear that its my opinion, based on what i've seen and heard.. that's he's not a leader and not someone that can lead us to a super bowl.

Just because that's my opinion doesn't make it fact.. just as someone who has the opinion that he is a leader can't prove that he is.

This is a message board.. i thought the whole idea was to come on and discuss posters' various opinions of subjects relating to the Cowboys. If i said something that offended anyone it was not intentional, and im not saying that im 100 percent right and everyone else is wrong at all. Never have.

This is basically my answer to all these posts. We don't know. None of us are there. I don't know, you don't know. These are all just our opinions based off what we see. No reason we can't debate the topic, that's what message boards are for.

 

[kristie]

I don't see him as a franchise QB. He doesn't take players with him to Mexico so I don't see how he could be a leader.

:laugh1:

 

[T-RO]

I see nothing wrong with the comments you quoted.

He loves COMPETING, and the cauldron of putting yourself in the fire where you win it...or you don't.

What's wrong with that?

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I see nothing wrong with the comments you quoted.

He loves COMPETING, and the cauldron of putting yourself in the fire where you win it...or you don't.

What's wrong with that?

The way he worded his comments seems to indicate that he's just happy to be able to have the chance to compete.. whether he wins or loses.

 

[Frozen700]

Alright, lol.

Honestly though.. anyone who's truely known me for longer than the past few days here knows im not prone to saying things that make no sense. Hell, look at my posts from just today, most people.. who arn't suffering from emotional outbursts or crybaby syndrome or extreme homerism/hate for a specific player.. agree with the points im making since i got on after the game tonight.

If very few people actually agree with me on this issue, that's fine i'll drop it. But as fans, none of us are actually around the team or in the locker room, so to not look at both sides of the issue would be ignorant, imo, as we don't really know how much of a leader he really is, or how much he really inspires his teammates, etc..

No one can claim to know this unless you spend alot of time hanging around Valley Ranch with the team. So to not even consider some of the points i bring up, especially the cabo thing, is bewildering to me. Can all of you honestly say you're looking at this issue objectively? Can you honestly say you're clearly seperating the characteristics of talent and leadership?

If you think you are then that's fine, and honestly its not that big an issue what any of us thinks about the guy. IMO, he lacks any distinguishing leadership aspect to his personality. Is that really so wrong and completely misplaced to think?

Anyway, i'll discontinue my involvement with the subject. I'll leave it to everyone else to comment, insult, whatever. Bring it on! ha

just stop seriously....cut it out man

the act is getting tiring

 

[Sickwitit]

:gassy1:

 

[BrassCowboy]

Mike Jenkins last year said he went in to see Romo at the end of his film sessions to get tips on what the opposing QBs do. Is that leadership?

Jason Garrett said on Tuesday that Tony Romo shows up to therapy every day at 7:00 and then helps coach the team. Is that leadership?

Yesterday on the sidelines he was talking to Ware and Spencer giving them tips on what brees was doing. Is that leadership?

Or is a leader just someone who talks and says what fans want to hear?

I'll take what the team sees as leadership over what the fans see any day of the week, and twice on game days. We aren't in the huddle or the locker rooms.

this post should of ended this thread

 

[BIGDen]

I understand what you're saying there, but how do you take the statement "I like winning and losing.."

He's obviously saying that he loves COMPETING (and winning and losing is what happens when you compete). If you think he's actually stating that he likes to lose, then you really have no ability to understand the point of a comment and take things WAY too literally.

 

[BIGDen]

He's obviously saying that he loves COMPETING (and winning and losing is what happens when you compete). If you think he's actually stating that he likes to lose, then you really have no ability to understand the point of a comment and take things WAY too literally.

Why don't you go find all the comments he makes about how it hurts to lose etc. There are plenty of those ofter losses, but I guess you chose to not acknowledge those comments.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Mike Jenkins last year said he went in to see Romo at the end of his film sessions to get tips on what the opposing QBs do. Is that leadership?

Jason Garrett said on Tuesday that Tony Romo shows up to therapy every day at 7:00 and then helps coach the team. Is that leadership?

Yesterday on the sidelines he was talking to Ware and Spencer giving them tips on what brees was doing. Is that leadership?

Or is a leader just someone who talks and says what fans want to hear?

I'll take what the team sees as leadership over what the fans see any day of the week, and twice on game days. We aren't in the huddle or the locker rooms.

No, No and No. He is merely doing his job.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Lastly, I bolded the part that you apparently read but do not see. "Very much involved." How would an injured player be "very much involved?" It answers itself. "The ideas keep coming." Romo is soliciting ideas? How is that not leadership? "He's engaged with our football team." This should not be seen as like a girl wearing a ring. This is like when you put a car in gear and engage the transmission to make it go.

I cited a perfect example from yesterday. Him giving Ware and Spencer advice. Again, how is that not leadership?

Well said Hos and I'm in agreement here.

Some people here was bashing Romo for not talking to teammates just the other week. They said that because he doesn't talk shows that he really isn't a leader. When the cameras showed Romo talking Ware and Spencer and giving them advice their argument was shot down.

When Romo got hurt he asked if they made that first down. Then when they brought him to the sidelines he still wanted to go back in. Those are little clues that show Romo is a leader. Its those little things that the media don't go out and print. Instead, they would rather write something negative because negativity sells.

 

[starfrombirth]

Haha.. i have a list of reasons in another thread. Don't wana go there again. A few of them included a trip to mexico during the week of a playoff game, his lack of success in the postseason with very talented teams around him, things he's said, including these comments about being satisfied with winning or losing, and his comments after the playoff loss that made it sound like it wasn't a big deal.

Just the way the players react to him when you watch the games too.. i just don't know.

I could be completely off base here, no doubt about it. And certainly there's a difference between talent.. which Romo has in leaps and bounds.. and leadership. I've never for a second questioned his talent.

If he is a leader though, i'd expect to see some postseason success in the next couple years, and i can only hope that is the case. If im wrong, i'll be the happiest guy here when we're winning postseason games on our way to a super bowl.

Are they really super talented or does Romo doing his thing make them seem super talented. Seriously... Romo has been running for his life behind this offensive line for 4 years now. One of the main reasons Parcells went with him is because he could hide his line's blocking definciencies. How great is our running game again? Don't give me crap about how great our defense has been either. Yes, we were ranked near the top statistically but when we needed our defense to make the stop... they didn't... epically. They bend but don't break for long periods of time but when 1 more stop will break the other team, they break instead. The only and I mean ONLY reason we have done so well over the last 2 years is because ROMO has made us look better than we are. We have maybe 4 superstars on this team and 1 is developing and the other only came on last year (Dez and Austin) the others are DWare and ROMO. Man you people sometimes.

 

[Hostile]

Brooking is a leader on the team as well. Does that mean Jenkins would go to him for advice on quarterbacks?

Yes, I think he would.

As for yesterday during the game, it was Tony helping out and being a teammate. He was injured, on the sidelines.. and noticed things about the opposing offense. He most likely was relating that to his defense. I think any player would do the same if they had knowledge of some tendancy or strategy the other team was using, don't you? Does that make them all leaders?

Then by all means cite me some examples of other injured players doing this.

 

[casmith07]

This thread is laughably bad.

 

[NeonNinja]

Mike Jenkins last year said he went in to see Romo at the end of his film sessions to get tips on what the opposing QBs do. Is that leadership?

Jason Garrett said on Tuesday that Tony Romo shows up to therapy every day at 7:00 and then helps coach the team. Is that leadership?

Yesterday on the sidelines he was talking to Ware and Spencer giving them tips on what brees was doing. Is that leadership?

Or is a leader just someone who talks and says what fans want to hear?

I'll take what the team sees as leadership over what the fans see any day of the week, and twice on game days. We aren't in the huddle or the locker rooms.

No need to waste time anserwing to this stupid agenda of his, it's ridiculous.