Romo vs Staubach and Aikman

[mattjames2010]

Man, a lot of old timers with their nostalgia goggles on. I'm sure someone will have the nerve to come in saying Aikman was better than Favre and Steve Young.

We aren't talking about Aikman just being on a good team for a few years, he was on one of the most loaded teams in NFL history. Want to talk about why it's not comparable between he and Romo? That's why. I love the excuses, "Aikman didn't have a cast around him before 92!" - Yet, no excuses can be made for Romo or any other QB you put next to Aikman.

Face it: Aikman was trash for most of his career in Dallas or injured.

 

[mattjames2010]

Didn't he have multiple interceptions in that game?

In the Rams game? No. He had one.

 

[bayeslife]

Aikman was the Joe Flacco of the 90s. Not spectacular but his team was too dominant to lose.

Let's give Romo the #1 defense for his almost his whole career and see what happens

 

[Miller]

Tony has a better interception percentage than Troy.

I said playoffs. Troy had some years where stats didn't jump but one of the most accurate come playoff time when counted. Didn't make the big mistake. As I said I love Tony but early he had horrible games at worst time.

Look who he topped

https://sportslistoftheday.com/2014/01/17/nfl-top-20-most-accurate-quarterbacks-in-playoff-history/

 

[Miller]

What absolute utter apologists. So, "He was starting on a bad team!" - Aikman didn't just suck in his rookie year! He was trash the first 3 years of his career, was good for 4 after that, and went to garbage again.

Stop rewriting history.

Aikman's first 3 years in the league

55.7
66.6
86.7 - 11 TDs, 10 INTs (Awful)

4 years of solid play

He then had one season where he had a rating over 85 and was banged up the final three years of his career.

Aikman also played with no line and got hit in the chin daily his first two years. I really wish people would stop comparing eras and acted like early Tony would have competed in late 80s, early 90s ball like now

Again, look at Aikman when it counted. Balls

https://sportslistoftheday.com/2014/01/17/nfl-top-20-most-accurate-quarterbacks-in-playoff-history/

 

[willia451]

Three time SB winner Troy Aikman said Tony Romo is a better QB than he ever was.

That's good enough for me.

What the Cowboys have not done is put a team around Tony capable of winning SBs with him at the helm.

Its that simple.

I was hoping beyond hope Tony would be traded to the Broncos so he could get his SB that he so richly deserves.

But that didn't happen. It went to Peyton instead. So that's that.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Man, a lot of old timers with their nostalgia goggles on. I'm sure someone will have the nerve to come in saying Aikman was better than Favre and Steve Young.

We aren't talking about Aikman just being on a good team for a few years, he was on one of the most loaded teams in NFL history. Want to talk about why it's not comparable between he and Romo? That's why. I love the excuses, "Aikman didn't have a cast around him before 92!" - Yet, no excuses can be made for Romo or any other QB you put next to Aikman.

Face it: Aikman was trash for most of his career in Dallas or injured.

And what was Romo doing the first 3 years of his career?

He was on the verge of being cut and couldnt start over the likes of Quincy Carter, Vinny Testaverde, and a shot Drew Bledsoe.

Did you ever stop and think, that maybe the reason or one of the reasons the Cowboys broke through in 92 and won it all, was because Troy progressed and played a lot better?

 

[Miller]

Three time SB winner Troy Aikman said Tony Romo is a better QB than he ever was.

That's good enough for me.

What the Cowboys have not done is put a team around Tony capable of winning SBs with him at the helm.

Its that simple.

I was hoping beyond hope Tony would be traded to the Broncos so he could get his SB that he so richly deserves.

But that didn't happen. It went to Peyton instead. So that's that.

Are you kidding? They had one of the best teams in league and lost after a bye. He had talent for years. Just wrong! AGAIN, love Tony and had his back here for years but reality is he squandered games when they counted early in his career. The mature Tony from last 3 years when healthy was off and on in early years and in big games he sunk. Great talent but Roger and Troy did this when counted

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1483892-the-best-postseason-quarterbacks-in-nfl-history

9) Roger Staubach

Titles: 2

Title Appearances: 5

Postseason Victories: 11

Postseason Winning Percentage: .647

One of only six quarterbacks with at least four Super Bowl starts, Roger Staubach is a two-time winner and came away with the game's MVP honor in Super Bowl VI—becoming one of just four players to win both this MVP and the Heisman Trophy (as listed on the Jim Plunkett slide).

Staubach lost two Super Bowl starts by a combined total of only eight points.

Had the Dallas Cowboys been on the winning end of those games, we may be looking at the greatest postseason quarterback in NFL history with Staubach.

7) Troy Aikman


Titles: 3

Title Appearances: 3

Postseason Victories: 11

Postseason Winning Percentage: .733

Though Troy Aikman's regular-season statistics don't necessarily scream off the page, his postseason resume is one to marvel over.

Leading the Dallas Cowboys to three Super Bowl titles in a four-year span in the early and mid 1990s, Aikman was the leader of one of the greatest runs in NFL history.

Aikman was named the MVP of Super Bowl XXVII after throwing for 273 yards and four touchdowns in the Cowboys' 52-17 victory over the Buffalo Bills.

 

[mattjames2010]

Aikman also played with no line and got hit in the chin daily his first two years. I really wish people would stop comparing eras and acted like early Tony would have competed in late 80s, early 90s ball like now

Again, look at Aikman when it counted. Balls

https://sportslistoftheday.com/2014/01/17/nfl-top-20-most-accurate-quarterbacks-in-playoff-history/

Again, more excuses. So, the only time we could judge Aikman is when he had one of the best O-Lines of all time in front of him, the best RB behind him, a HOF WR, and a great defense? Try again.

 

[Miller]

Man, a lot of old timers with their nostalgia goggles on. I'm sure someone will have the nerve to come in saying Aikman was better than Favre and Steve Young.

We aren't talking about Aikman just being on a good team for a few years, he was on one of the most loaded teams in NFL history. Want to talk about why it's not comparable between he and Romo? That's why. I love the excuses, "Aikman didn't have a cast around him before 92!" - Yet, no excuses can be made for Romo or any other QB you put next to Aikman.

Face it: Aikman was trash for most of his career in Dallas or injured.

Face it you know nothing about football and are showing your *** right now

 

[mattjames2010]

And what was Romo doing the first 3 years of his career?

He was on the verge of being cut and couldnt start over the likes of Quincy Carter, Vinny Testaverde, and a shot Drew Bledsoe.

Did you ever stop and think, that maybe the reason or one of the reasons the Cowboys broke through in 92 and won it all, was because Troy progressed and played a lot better?

Romo was an undrafted FA, you ding dong. Aikman was a top 5 pick. Romo needed developed to be ready for the NFL.

And if Aikman progressed, he regressed quite quickly since he only had 4 years of quality play.

 

[mattjames2010]

Face it you know nothing about football and are showing your *** right now

Not an argument. Either make a valid point why we should ignore Aikman's 8 years of average to poor play or take this discussion to someone else.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Romo was an undrafted FA, you ding dong. Aikman was a top 5 pick. Romo needed developed to be ready for the NFL.

You're missing the point and obviously don't know football.

You say Troy was trash his first few years, yet Tony wasnt even good enough to start.


You cant be taken serious by saying Troy was trash most of his time here.

 

[Miller]

Again, more excuses. So, the only time we could judge Aikman is when he had one of the best O-Lines of all time in front of him, the best RB behind him, a HOF WR, and a great defense? Try again.

Are you really this clueless? Every QB in the HOF who won SBs had a great team around them. The Starr Packers were stacked. The Unitas Colts stacked. The Montana and Young 49ers stacked. The Bradshaw Steelers, stacked. There is a reason why Elway didn't win a SB until he got a RB and D. If you don't know that then you should move out of the conversation. Aikman was one of the best QBs in history..as the stats and articles have stated..in the playoffs, in a day and age when DBs pummeled WRs. Romo spent his early years throwing for yards and interceptions and fumbling snaps and losing games Aikman won. That's the difference. Love Tony and he is a stud but you can't plug him into the 90s and think his gunslinger ways and propensity to throw ints in big games wouldn't rear its head. You have no clue about the game if you do.

 

[Miller]

Not an argument. Either make a valid point why we should ignore Aikman's 8 years of average to poor play or take this discussion to someone else.

See above. You have zero clue about the history of football or about how teams were in each era. You think the HOF just gives guys sympathy votes for crap careers?

 

[mattjames2010]

Are you really this clueless? Every QB in the HOF who won SBs had a great team around them. The Starr Packers were stacked. The Unitas Colts stacked. The Montana and Young 49ers stacked. The Bradshaw Steelers, stacked. There is a reason why Elway didn't win a SB until he got a RB and D. If you don't know that then you should move out of the conversation. Aikman was one of the best QBs in history..as the stats and articles have stated..in the playoffs, in a day and age when DBs pummeled WRs. Romo spent his early years throwing for yards and interceptions and fumbling snaps and losing games Aikman won. That's the difference. Love Tony and he is a stud but you can't plug him into the 90s and think his gunslinger ways and propensity to throw ints in big games wouldn't rear its head. You have no clue about the game if you do.

You attempting to compare the 90s Cowboys team to other Super Bowl winning teams of the 90s is just, it's sad. None of them compare, champ. Young didn't have a team like the Cowboys, neither did Favre.

Show me a team comparable to the Cowboys: One of the best O-lines in history, great defense, arguably best RB, HOF WR, good TE and coaching staff. I will wait.

 

[mattjames2010]

See above. You have zero clue about the history of football or about how teams were in each era. You think the HOF just gives guys sympathy votes for crap careers?

Not an argument. Just addressed your last post. Keep trying, maybe you'll stumble upon a good point to justify Aikman's piss poor statistics outside of the 92-95 seasons.

 

[Miller]

You attempting to compare the 90s Cowboys team to other Super Bowl winning teams of the 90s is just, it's sad. None of them compare, champ. Young didn't have a team like the Cowboys, neither did Favre.

Show me a team comparable to the Cowboys: One of the best O-lines in history, great defense, arguably best RB, HOF WR, good TE and coaching staff. I will wait.

I just showed you 5-6 teams and that is just scratching the surface. You really are either WAY too young to know football or are just clueless. It's the only other word that applies. And it fits. A majority of HOF QBs had great teams around them. That is fact. I never mentioned Favre. I mentioned QBs and teams from EVERY era. You are ignoring this because you think the HOF just accidentally put Aikman in there. You do know despite the talent, you still have to throw the ball and put it where it needs to be? Right? Aikman is one of the best in the history of the playoffs at this. And as far as Young's 49ers...they beat the Cowboys in the playoffs after we gave them a lead on turnovers. But their team had Jerry Rice and John Taylor as their WRs(studs)..Ricky Watters at RB, Brent Jones at TE, Bart Oates, Jess Sopolu on the line...all of those guys was Pro Bowl that year. On D they had Deion, Ken Norton, Dana Stubblefield, Tim McDonald, Merton Hanks, Eric Davis, Ricky Jackson. You get the point? Especially considering their loaded secondary which could touch WRs. Unlike the last decade where more QBS throw for more than 4000 yrds than anytime in history.

Your issue is you are too young to know how great the teams the Cowboys had to beat to win. Those Bills teams we destroyed..stacked with HOFers. What you fail to realize is that Tony had chances with talented teams. He dropped a snap against the Seahawks. With the top seed in 2007 he went 50% and we lost after a bye week. In Week 16 big games he threw ints and we missed the playoffs. I've defended him for years but those are truths and they are games that Aikman and others won no matter what you say. They thrived in huge games. Under your theory Romo should be better than these modern day QBs in the HOF....Troy Aikman, Terry Bradshaw, Johnny Unitas, Joe Montana, Jim Kelly, Ken Stabler, Roger Staubach, Fran Tarkenton, YA Tittle,. Bart Starr, Bob Griese, Len Dawson and Sonny Jurgenson because all of these guys played on teams loaded with studs and HOFers. So they need to be marginalized right? Romo BECAME a top QB after years of failing in crunch once he matured. I hate that people have always blamed it all on him. But you downplaying what Aikman did is just comical.

 

[mattjames2010]

I just showed you 5-6 teams and that is just scratching the surface. You really are either WAY too young to know football or are just clueless. It's the only other word that applies. A majority of HOF QBs had great teams around them. That is fact. I never mentioned Favre. I mentioned QBs and teams from EVERY era. You are ignoring this because you think the HOF just accidentally put Aikman in there. You do know despite the talent, you still have to throw the ball and put it where it needs to be? Right? Aikman is one of the best in the history of the playoffs at this. And as far as Young's 49ers...they beat the Cowboys in the playoffs after we gave them a lead on turnovers. But their team had Jerry Rice and John Taylor as their WRs(studs)..Ricky Watters at RB, Brent Jones at TE, Bart Oates, Jess Sopolu on the line...all of those guys was Pro Bowl that year. On D they had Deion, Ken Norton, Dana Stubblefield, Tim McDonald, Merton Hanks, Eric Davis, Ricky Jackson. You get the point?

Your issue is you are too young to know how great the teams the Cowboys had to beat to win. Those Bills teams we destroyed..stacked with HOFers. What you fail to realize is that Tony had chances with talented teams. He dropped a snap against the Seahawks. With the top seed in 2007 he went 50% and we lost after a bye week. In Week 16 big games he threw ints and we missed the playoffs. I've defended him for years but those are truths and they are games that Aikman and others won no matter what you say. They thrived in huge games. Under your theory Romo should be better than these modern day QBs in the HOF....Troy Aikman, Terry Bradshaw, Johnny Unitas, Joe Montana, Jim Kelly, Ken Stabler, Roger Staubach, Fran Tarkenton, YA Tittle,. Bart Starr, Bob Griese, Len Dawson and Sonny Jurgenson because all of these guys played on teams loaded with studs and HOFers. So they need to be marginalized right?

Joe Montana with that "stacked" team had a season where he threw over 30 TDs, only had one season where he averaged below 7 yards a pass, ended his career with a 92.3 QB rating. Terry Bradshaw? Yeah, he was trash most of his career as well. Thank you for bringing him up. What next, Joe Namath?

....and you're missing the point. Troy Aikman played on one of the, if not the most loaded teams in NFL history and did NOTHING outstanding in career outside of having a good playoff rating in the 4 years we won the Super Bowl. I give him credit for that, but he ended his career with an 88 rating because he stunk it up in the playoffs after the team around him was no longer in their prime.

Tony never had a team like the 90s Cowboys, 80s 49ers, or 70s Steelers. He had a few good teams, 07, 09, 2014.

Next!

 

[noshame]

Is the off season over yet?