Romo vs Staubach and Aikman

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Tony Romo led an abysmal cowboys team to an 8-8 record in 2011. He had a 102 passer rating which was good for #4 in the league. in 2013 he

Yes . . . go on.

That is getting to be the story of Romo's life: abysmal teams, injuries -- but great personal stats! Hooray for him. But for once (or rather for the third time) could he help win a playoff game?
 

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sorry i have Landry, Johnson, Switzer, and Parcells ahead of Garrett, in fact after last season, i have Gailey and Campo slightly ahead of JG.

Yep, Parcells, you are right. He would be ahead of Garrett without a doubt. You are right Chris, but not about Switzer. He was bad.
 

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I don't agree. Switzer was horrible IMO.

In Switzer's defense he deserves some credit for helping the team rebound from that disappointing title game loss to SF in 94 to win their 3rd SB in 4 years the following year. The Cowboys SB run appeared to be over after the loss to SF in 94 so gotta hand it to Switzer for keeping the team focused heading into the 95 season. Without that 3rd SB win it would be up for debate as to which team was the team of the 90s Dallas or Denver. That 3rd SB win solidified the Cowboys as the team of the 90s and I will always be appreciative to Switzer for that. He entered a tough situation in 94 with the breakup of Jimmy and Jerry.

The team loved Jimmy and was in shock at his departure. The players could have very easily quit on Switzer especially after the 94 title game loss to SF. Some blame Switizer for the teams demise but it was free agency, poor cap management by Jerry and the draft that caused the Cowboys to decline. It only got worse after Switzer left because free agency was continuing to rob the team of its talent and our drafts had gone sour. Garrett isn't half the coach Barry Switzer was and his coaching record backs that up.
 

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Yep, Parcells, you are right. He would be ahead of Garrett without a doubt. You are right Chris, but not about Switzer. He was bad.

why was he bad? cause we lost the 94 title game? cause he got caught with a pistol? was it something about his college tenure at OU? I'm just trying to understand you.
 

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In Switzer's defense he deserves some credit for helping the team rebound from that disappointing title game loss to SF in 94 to win their 3rd SB in 4 years the following year. The Cowboys SB run appeared to be over after the loss to SF in 94 so gotta hand it to Switzer for keeping the team focused heading into the 95 season. Without that 3rd SB win it would be up for debate as to which team was the team of the 90s Dallas or Denver. That 3rd SB win solidified the Cowboys as the team of the 90s and I will always be appreciative to Switzer for that. He entered a tough situation in 94 with the breakup of Jimmy and Jerry.

The team loved Jimmy and was in shock at his departure. The players could have very easily quit on Switzer especially after the 94 title game loss to SF. Some blame Switizer for the teams demise but it was free agency, poor cap management by Jerry and the draft that caused the Cowboys to decline. It only got worse after Switzer left because free agency was continuing to rob the team of its talent and our drafts had gone sour. Garrett isn't half the coach Barry Switzer was and his coaching record backs that up.

Why? What did Switzer actually do? He was horrible.
 

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sorry i have Landry, Johnson, Switzer, and Parcells ahead of Garrett, in fact after last season, i have Gailey and Campo slightly ahead of JG.

This is how GOOD Jerry is at creating a mirage. He actually has well respected, long time Cowboys fans believing that Garrett is a good head coach. Heck, Wade Phillips is a better head coach than Garrett. Last year sealed it for me. I did not expect playoffs. I did not expect many wins. I eventually even gave up on scoring points. But my gosh...we could not even get first downs! It was unwatchable. And keep in mind....prior to the season...Garrett said Weeden was the most improved player on the team!

But I do have Garrett in front of Campo
 

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why was he bad? cause we lost the 94 title game? cause he got caught with a pistol? was it something about his college tenure at OU? I'm just trying to understand you.

For not being as involved with the team as he should have been. It's not his fault he got hired. It is his fault that he didn't spend the time required to continue on with what Jimmy had started.
 

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This is how GOOD Jerry is at creating a mirage. He actually has well respected, long time Cowboys fans believing that Garrett is a good head coach. Heck, Wade Phillips is a better head coach than Garrett. Last year sealed it for me. I did not expect playoffs. I did not expect many wins. I eventually even gave up on scoring points. But my gosh...we could not even get first downs! It was unwatchable. And keep in mind....prior to the season...Garrett said Weeden was the most improved player on the team!

I think that had Wade had more time, he certainly would have been. He just wasn't here long enough IMO. Certainly a much better coordinator.
 

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I think that had Wade had more time, he certainly would have been. He just wasn't here long enough IMO. Certainly a much better coordinator.

Much like Switzer benefited from the structure Jimmy put in place. I think Wade benefitted from what Parcells put in place. But I still think Wade was better than Garrett. What happened last year simply cannot happen. You cannot have an entire franchise face plant without it's starting QB. Again, I was not expecting miracles. But we looked like an expansion team. And a really bad one at that.
 

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Why? What did Switzer actually do? He was horrible.

What did Switzer actually do? Did you not read my previous post? How to you figure he was "horrible" when he led the Cowboys to back to back 12-4 seasons including back to back title game appearances and a SB win??? He deserves no credit for that? In his four seasons as the Cowboys head coach he had 3 winning/playoff seasons how is that "horrible?" His playoff record during his 4 seasons was 5-2 how is that "horrible?" How can you say you disagree he was better than Jason Garrett who's had only one winning/playoff season in his 5 full seasons as the Cowboys head coach? What has Garrett done to make you think Switzer wasn't better than him? Your logic continues to be perplexing.
 

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What did Switzer actually do? Did you not read my previous post? How to you figure he was "horrible" when he led the Cowboys to back to back 12-4 seasons including back to back title game appearances and a SB win??? in his four seasons as the Cowboys head coach he had 3 winning/playoff seasons how is that "horrible?" His playoff record during his 4 seasons was 5-2 how is that "horrible?" How can you say you disagree he was better than Jason Garrett who's had only one winning/playoff season in his 5 full seasons as the Cowboys head coach? Your logic continues to be perplexing. What has Garrett done to make you think Switzer wasn't better than him?

I am not sure what it is people see in Garrett....but he sure does have a lot of people fooled. I think it is the Ivy League education. And I cannot knock a guy for being educated...but when it comes to THIS sport....at THIS level...I just don't see it.

He coached as if the NFL was going to put everything on hold until Romo came back.

He coached as if he simply did not want Weeden to screw things up while Romo was out.

He coached as if he was clueless without Romo. It was scary to watch week in and week out!
 

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I am not sure what it is people see in Garrett....but he sure does have a lot of people fooled. I think it is the Ivy League education. And I cannot knock a guy for being educated...but when it comes to THIS sport....at THIS level...I just don't see it.

They see what you mentioned his Ivy league education and the fact he can talk a good game like a politician. FANS want desperately for him to succeed and his inability to lead a team has left many in denial. He's not fit to be coaching at the NFL level he didn't earn the job it was given to him. Look around the league and see if you can find a head coach who still has a head coaching with the same team after only one winning season and one playoff season the past 5 years.
 

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They see what you mentioned his Ivy league education and the fact he can talk a good game like a politician. FANS want desperately for him to succeed and his inability to lead a team has left many in denial. He's not fit to be coaching at the NFL level he didn't earn the job it was given to him. Look around the league and see if you can find a head coach who still has a head coaching with the same team after only one winning season and one playoff season the past 5 years.

All true points. And yes, I want him to succeed. Mostly because I am a fan of the team. But I also realize this owner swears by this guy. So I am hoping. I am hoping.
 

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All true points. And yes, I want him to succeed. Mostly because I am a fan of the team. But I also realize this owner swears by this guy. So I am hoping. I am hoping.

Jerry's ego is on the line with Garrett which is why he refuses to give up on him. Any other coach would have gotten the heave ho after three straight 8-8 seasons that included three consecutive season finale elimination game losses. Jerry brought Garrett to Dallas in 07 to groom him to be the Cowboys next head coach. Those were the reports back then and Jerry never denied it. Garrett only had 5 years of total coaching experience when he was handed the Cowboys head coaching job.

Most coaches spend YEARS working up the coaching ranks before receiving an NFL head coaching opportunity but Garrett was handed the job and he wasn't even successful as the OC. He ended up being stripped of that job while he was head coach. The Cowboys are a dysfunctional team and the more Jerry takes a step back and allows Stephen to have more say the better off the team will likely be.
 

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Danny White was incredible, but he gets no respect because he couldn't get a slowly deteriorating team past the NFC championship game and into the SB. If Danny White gets no respect for breaking some of Staubach's records because he never won a SB, then the same should be true for Romo.
 

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Danny White was incredible, but he gets no respect because he couldn't get a slowly deteriorating team past the NFC championship game and into the SB. If Danny White gets no respect for breaking some of Staubach's records because he never won a SB, then the same should be true for Romo.

Danny deserves more respects than he gets. The game we lost to San Francisco because of "The Catch"....the title games he lost to the Washington Commanders....those were legendary teams at the time he went toe to toe with.
 

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One championship for Romo changes his narrative among Cowboys fans and league wide. He may surpass both HOF QB's with one title. No different than how most would say Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees are better than Staubach and Aikman. A ring changes everything for Romo. Hope he is able to land one within the next three years.

I don't believe Rodgers and Brees are better than Staubach. Staubach led the Cowboys to four Super Bowls.

I wouldn't even say Brees is better than Aikman. Brees benefited from a pass-happy offense that hit on one magical season.

And, sorry, but Tony Romo winning a ring won't elevate him above Aikman and Staubach, not to me. The difference being is that at the height of both of those quarterbacks' careers, they were on the top and leading teams to the Super Bowl.

I have much respect for Romo, but if he should win a Super Bowl right now, the narrative has already been set for him that he needed all the parts to be better for him to accomplish Super Bowl legacy.

That's not what is said of Aikman or Staubach.
 
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