Romo's Pass Release

[superpunk]

I'll buy that you found a stat on passes blocked, but I don't buy that you can separate out the % from throws in the pocket versus throws on the run and out of the pocket.

Noone's asking you to buy that. I never claimed I could do that.

My guess is that his percentage on throws in the pocket isn't nearly as impressive, and it's based more on the fact that he throws an unusually high percentage of his passes from outside the pocket and on the run.

That's true for alot of QBs who buy time with their legs. McNabb, Brady, Romo. You're going to have a higher completion percentage because you bought time, and the defense broke down. It's not rocket science, but we also don't have a resource that measures that. So, his compeltion pct. from the pocket may be far better than what it is outside the pocket - you don't know, and I don't know. So it's pretty pointless to continue to speculate. He completes a very high percentage of his passes. That's enough for me.

I also agree that your pictures don't really prove anything. He doesn't throw overhadn the way most QB's do - that's not a question for anyone, and logic tell us that a QB who throws more overhand has a higher release point than one who throws 3/4 - and Romo even dips to almost sidearm at times.

Prove? No. But you can see the release point, and where the ball is coming out. The batted down at the line thing isn't a problem, hasn't been a problem, so there's not exactly a strong body of evidence for the "cause problems with finding passing lanes and having passes knocked down or batted up in the air. " statement. Not unless you're just looking to worry about something that there's no base for.

In which case, I'm terrified that these keyboard monsters are eating away at my cuticles.

 

[theogt]

I'll buy that you found a stat on passes blocked, but I don't buy that you can separate out the % from throws in the pocket versus throws on the run and out of the pocket.

My guess is that his percentage on throws in the pocket isn't nearly as impressive, and it's based more on the fact that he throws an unusually high percentage of his passes from outside the pocket and on the run.

And I agree - that is his game, although I think as he matures he will find that he shouldn't be as quick to scramble and stray from the pocket - that improvisation shouldn't be as close to the norm as it has been with him.

I also agree that your pictures don't really prove anything. He doesn't throw overhadn the way most QB's do - that's not a question for anyone, and logic tell us that a QB who throws more overhand has a higher release point than one who throws 3/4 - and Romo even dips to almost sidearm at times.

STILL - don't take this the wrong way. I'm not saying this is a huge problem that will plague Romo's career. I think he has pretty good instincts and will pull the ball down when he feels a pass could get blocked. I think once in a while this will pop up on individual plays, just as every QB, including the elite ones, have things that can be problems for them on ocassion.

So let me get this straight. You have no idea how many plays were outside the pocket. And you have no idea how many passes were batted down inside or outside of the pocket.

But we do know that Romo has an unusually low percentage of passes batted down.

With all this in mind, you're insisting that Romo has a problem with batted down passes.

I'm stunned.

It's almost as if you denied something, and someone showed you a picture of it happening, and you continued to deny it. Oh wait, that just happened too. What the hell?

 

[Stautner]

Noone's asking you to buy that. I never claimed I could do that.

You said "His percentage from everywhere, in every situation is pretty darn high, though".

That's true for alot of QBs who buy time with their legs. McNabb, Brady, Romo. You're going to have a higher completion percentage because you bought time, and the defense broke down. It's not rocket science, but we also don't have a resource that measures that. So, his compeltion pct. from the pocket may be far better than what it is outside the pocket - you don't know, and I don't know. So it's pretty pointless to continue to speculate. He completes a very high percentage of his passes. That's enough for me.

I never said it wasn't true that anyone will have fewer blocks when they scramble - in fact, that was my point. His percentage is largely based on the fact that he scrambles more than most.

Perhaps the release point and fear of blocks is part of what causes Romo to scramble more than most.

And in my mind that's something he needs to do a little less of. I think that was a big part of the problem late last season. He wouldn't aaccept what the defense was giving him and wanted to keep making the big plays he did earlier in the season and he tried to do too much, and that resulted in INT's and way too many fumbles.

I wouldn't want him to quit using his talents to improvise and make big plays, but he has to learn to be smarter about it - which I think he will - just as Elway and Staubach had to do the same thing before they became as effective as they eventually were.

Prove? No. But you can see the release point, and where the ball is coming out. The batted down at the line thing isn't a problem, hasn't been a problem, so there's not exactly a strong body of evidence for the "cause problems with finding passing lanes and having passes knocked down or batted up in the air. " statement. Not unless you're just looking to worry about something that there's no base for.

In which case, I'm terrified that these keyboard monsters are eating away at my cuticles.

Like I said, you are WAY oveblowing this.

You are treating this as if I had been saying that Romo has no chance at success due to a low release point, and I clearly have not been saying that.

I have only said that I see that as something that may happen from time to time, and I still do.

Once again, I am not saying this is a plague on Romo's career.

Do I need to say it in different terms ....... I can probably find a few more ways to express it if you need more help.

 

[superpunk]

I have only said that I see that as something that may happen from time to time, and I still do.

So what you're saying is that from time to time, Romo has a pass batted down at the line - just like every QB who has ever played the game.

Well, thanks for that. What's next? From time to time, Romo gets sacked? Groundbreaking stuff.

And, even though statistics say that this particular occurrence befalls him less frequently than all but three other QBs in the entire NFL, you felt inclined to mention it as a possible cause for concern. To say nothing of the pointless speculation as to whether or not his completion percentage is higher in the pocket, or out of it.

Cripes. Just thank me for setting you straight, and eliminating your unfounded concern and move on.

 

[theogt]

Cripes. Just thank me for setting you straight, and eliminating your unfounded concern and move on.

That would make a nice sig line.

 

[Stautner]

So what you're saying is that from time to time, Romo has a pass batted down at the line - just like every QB who has ever played the game.

Well, thanks for that. What's next? From time to time, Romo gets sacked? Groundbreaking stuff.

And, even though statistics say that this particular occurrence befalls him less frequently than all but three other QBs in the entire NFL, you felt inclined to mention it as a possible cause for concern. To say nothing of the pointless speculation as to whether or not his completion percentage is higher in the pocket, or out of it.

There is no way to have a rational discussion with guys like you, because you have to have it ALL one way or ALL the other.

I'm not saying that he has a major blight on his career because of his low release point, but neither am I saying he has as little worry as a 6'4" QB with a high overhand release.

There are degrees to almost every issue, and what I am saying is that he has to be somewhat more careful of blocks than a lot of QB's, but it is not something I feel is going to have a huge negative impact on his career.

Do you get that, or are you back to believing that I think blocked passes are going to cause him to be a failure?

 

[Jarv]

There is no way to have a rational discussion with guys like you, because you have to have it ALL one way or ALL the other.

I'm not saying that he has a major blight on his career because of his low release point, but neither am I saying he has as little worry as a 6'4" QB with a high overhand release.

There are degrees to almost every issue, and what I am saying is that he has to be somewhat more careful of blocks than a lot of QB's, but it is not something I feel is going to have a huge negative impact on his career.

Do you get that, or are you back to believing that I think blocked passes are going to cause him to be a failure?

Unless his percentage of pass's being blocked get higher, this is not a concern at all.

Heck, his QB rating was 95, that could a concern also next year if it went down...

 

[Stautner]

Unless his percentage of pass's being blocked get higher, this is not a concern at all.

Heck, his QB rating was 95, that could a concern also next year if it went down...

And if it doesn't then that's great. It's a minor concern of mine, but I will be very happy if he never has another pass blocked and never has to abandon a play for fear of a pass getting blocked.

 

[HopeCowboyFan]

Romo gets rid of the ball fast and is very accurate. Over the years look at his preseason stats - amazing

 

[Stautner]

Romo gets rid of the ball fast and is very accurate. Over the years look at his preseason stats - amazing

Those preseason stats were a big reason I was all in favor of the switch last year. You could see Romo maturing each preseason, and I thought after 4 years he deserved a shot.