Romo's place all-time

[PBJTime]

No,....I do not think Romo has what it takes to lead this team to a serious playoff run and Super Bowl. Can you really see him traveling to Minnesota or New Orleans for a Championship Game with everything on the line and realistically playing at a level well enough to win those games. No way in hell. He may get some passing yards, he may not throw interceptions, but I can promise you he would not do enough to win those games. He never does. He never has at any level.

He can't even push them over the top to get them INTO the playoffs. He is not a leader on or off the field. Just because he is not throwing interceptions or fumbling, doesn't mean he is still not part of the problem. This is a team game. I agree. But if you look at the game yesterday the San Diego team had a much better QB who made plays when it mattered. Same with Eli when they beat the Cowboys two years ago in their playoff run. But if you want to take solace in the fact that Romo has a better statistical advantage and QB rating, then have at it. That and fifty cents will get you a cup of coffee.

I can easily see him traveling and playing well enough to win in those situations. I don't know about this team, but you're crazy if you don't realize that Romo is, at least, a VERY good QB. Even most of the analysts and mediots will admit to that. You act like his good stats are these mysterious things that have no bearing on games. Seriously, some of you guys are just nuts. Those "stats", you know TD's and stuff, are the things that help win games. The fact that he has roughly a 2-1 W/L record for a his career should also clue you in a little.

What part did he not do well enough to win this game? Explain to me...and try not to use the obscure, "makes plays when it matters," argument. I'm sorry, but is there ever a play that doesn't matter when a game is on the line. What is he supposed to do when Barber fails to get in the endzone after a good drive, and then Folk misses a field goal? Are those on him? I don't get it.

Let's also talk about when he gets a little more opportunities to pass the ball. What part of the last game did he not do well enough to win?

The fact is, Rivers is a very good QB. He also has huge receivers going up and coming down with the ball for him. Not to mention, you can't win them all.

Romo plays well enough to win games, and win big ones. His team and coaching may be a different matter. We are a Crayton drop away from not having this conversation.

 

[DLCassidy]

Stats aren't everything, but you are suggesting that a QB with one of the top QB ratings of all time is not the solution? Surely you can admit that plenty of teams have won it all with worse QB situations? It is a team game, after all.

Romo gets let down plenty by his teammates. There were 10 points that Romo "led" the team to, but his team failed him. Folk (the latest incarnation of Vandershank) and Barber both failed to complete drives. Romo is far from the problem. The fact is, he is good enough to win in this league. I never was a believer in a QB "carrying" his team on his shoulders. For every QB that "carries" his team, there are a few players that make the plays for him.

Look at Eli. Without a Tyree circus catch, nobody is talking about how "great" he is. Same with Big Ben and his defense... Do you think his 22.6 rating in Super Bowl XL helped or hurt his team? Yet he is the guy "who just finds a way to win."

No. It's a team effort, plain and simple, and Romo plays well enough for a team to win.

It's a team effort granted. But the only stats a fan should really care about is points and W's, that is until they eliminate scoreboards. We didn't lose because of Romo yesterday. But he didn't make enough plays to help us win either. Rivers did. Romo's passer rating, a stat which is often very misleading, means nothing to me. If it's a comfort to some that want to give Romo pretty much a free pass every week, I say go for it. Romo remains a tease to me, sorry.

 

[THUMPER]

It's a team effort granted. But the only stats a fan should really care about is points and W's, that is until they eliminate scoreboards. We didn't lose because of Romo yesterday. But he didn't make enough plays to help us win either. Rivers did. Romo's passer rating, a stat which is often very misleading, means nothing to me. If it's a comfort to some that want to give Romo pretty much a free pass every week, I say go for it. Romo remains a tease to me, sorry.

So why aren't you calling Marion Barber to account for not putting ANY points on the board? He had a couple of chances and failed miserably. Romo at least scored the majority of our points.

Romo gives us a chance to win and consistently puts in position to do so but the rest of this team fails down the stretch, from the RBs to the WRs to the defense missing tackles and giving up easy scores, to the STs not making big plays, missing FGs, and allowing other teams to score on big runbacks.

Romo has thrown for 22 TDs while our RBs have run for 9. Back in the 90s it was usually the other way around with Emmitt scoring the majority of our TDs and Aikman just putting him in position to score.

 

[PBJTime]

It's a team effort granted. But the only stats a fan should really care about is points and W's, that is until they eliminate scoreboards. We didn't lose because of Romo yesterday. But he didn't make enough plays to help us win either. Rivers did. Romo's passer rating, a stat which is often very misleading, means nothing to me. If it's a comfort to some that want to give Romo pretty much a free pass every week, I say go for it. Romo remains a tease to me, sorry.

Are you kidding me?! Since when has Romo received a free pass from anybody? He has received the wrath from his fan base and the media. There are simply some that say that much more significant problems lie elsewhere. It's funny that some will thrash Romo even if he throws 300+ YDS, and 3 TD's...but the team loses. They'll say "take comfort in your stats, but he didn't do enough." It's like fans have forgotten what it's like to have a truly bad QB.

I have been angry with Romo from time to time, when he deserves it. But this is not one of those times. He has improved his game like fans have asked and has still put up numbers, to include "winning" much more often than he "loses."

I don't know why I bother. It's obviously a lost cause. I'm just glad some of you knuckleheads aren't running things. He'll be our QB for quite a while so I guess you'll just have to deal with it.

Some of you guys need to find the right tree to bark up.

 

[AdamJT13]

Adam you are right and you are wrong. Yes Romo did move back into 2nd place today but his career passer rating is 95.4, not 95.8 as you have listed above. That's still good enough to put him slightly ahead of Rivers though.

Unofficially, Aaron Rodgers is ahead of both of them with a 96.3 rating but he does not have the minimum pass attempts (1500) to make it official.

First time I have ever seen you make a mistake Adam.

Hmm, I must have had a typo when I plugged the numbers into http://www.primecomputing.com. It looks like I must have punched in 14,316 yards instead of 14,136, because that gives him a 95.8 rating.

And I've had mistakes like this before. They happen.

 

[PBJTime]

Hmm, I must have had a typo when I plugged the numbers into http://www.primecomputing.com. It looks like I must have punched in 14,316 yards instead of 14,136, because that gives him a 95.8 rating.

And I've had mistakes like this before. They happen.

We can't be having any more of that, Adam.

 

[Jimz31]

Too many people on here don't appreciate it that we have a VERY GOOD QB on this team. One of the best in the league.

Romo doesn't play defense people, so it's stupid to say "Then what was Rivers..." when it came to 3rd downs. You have Romo thorwing against our defense on 3rd and long, he's be close to 100% every time...the only time he isn't is due to a dropped pass....

Romo ->

 

[THUMPER]

Hmm, I must have had a typo when I plugged the numbers into http://www.primecomputing.com. It looks like I must have punched in 14,316 yards instead of 14,136, because that gives him a 95.8 rating.

And I've had mistakes like this before. They happen.

I use that site for passer ratings as well. You make mistakes so rarely that I had to check the numbers posted on NFL.com at that site to be sure they were right.

Either way, Romo is officially 2nd all-time and that's pretty cool to me.


I used to have a motto: "I thought I made a mistake once but I was wrong".

Unfortunately, as I've gotten older I find I make a LOT of mistakes so I had to retire the motto. :laugh2:

 

[BrassCowboy]

Maybe Folk should hold and Romo should kick.

 

[AdamJT13]

Going into Sunday's games, the top four all-time now look like this --

1. Steve Young, 96.8
2. Tony Romo, 95.6
3. Phillip Rivers, 95.32
4. Peyton Manning, 95.28