Roster projection help

[theogt]

That's very interesting to me, I do want James to be beaten out, I never even considered Burnett, I always hoped that Carp could do that, but this would be good too.

If anyone beats out James it's Carpenter, considering they actually play the same position.

 

[blindzebra]

I did one earlier, here it is, w/ a couple of changes

QB: Romo, Johnson we only keep 2

RB: Julius, Marion It comes down to Battle and Coleman

FB: Deon Anderson

WR: TO, Hurd, Isaiah Stanback

WR: Glenn, Crayton, Austin

TE: Witten, Fasano, Hannah too much potential to put on PS.

LT: Flozell, Pat McQ, Doug Free

LG: Kosier Too close to call on that swing G/C, keep an eye on Tarullo

C: Gurode

RG: Davis

RT: Colombo, James Marten

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Defense:

LDE: Spears, Hatcher

NT: Ferguson, Ratliff

RDE: Canty, Stephen Bowen

LOLB: Ware, Junior Glymph With Carp, Burnett and Akin all able to play inside or out we keep an extra inside guy of the UFA.

LILB: Bradie, Carpenter

RILB: Akin, Burnett

ROLB: Ellis, Spencer

LCB: Newman, Jacque Reeves, Nate Jones Ball makes it over Reeves or Jones

FS: Hamlin, Watkins

SS: Roy, Keith Davis

RCB: Henry, Aaron Glenn, Courtney Brown

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PK: Grammatica, Folk
P: McBrier
LS: JP Lodaceur(SP)

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PS

Alan Ball
Ola Doganduro(SP)
Rodney Hannah
Matt Moore
Jackie Battle
Alonzo Coleman

My changes in red.

 

[THUMPER]

OK, thanks everybody for your input and thoughts on this. After reading through all the posts there were areas of disagreement and a consensus wasn't available so I have some questions:

(I made it easy to quote and add your answers to the end of each question.)

1. QB - Should we keep 3 or only 2? Why?

2. RB - Who will be the 3rd RB, Thompson, Battle, or Coleman?

3. FB - Should we keep only 1 or go with 2? (Consensus seemed to be Anderson and Hoyte if we go with 2).

4. TE - Should we keep 3 or only 2? Who would be the 3rd TE if we go with 3; Hannah or Berger?

5. DL - Should we keep 7 or only 6?

6. CB - Should we go with 5 or add a 6th? (Ball seemed to be the consensus if we go with 6).

7. K - Should we go with 1 or keep 2?

 

[AbeBeta]

If anyone beats out James it's Carpenter, considering they actually play the same position.

How is that relevant?

BTW -- I've got Doug Free slated to beat out Jacques Reeves.

 

[theogt]

How is that relevant?

BTW -- I've got Doug Free slated to beat out Jacques Reeves.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic and agreeing with me or what.

Either way, I'll respond...sort of. It doesn't make sense to me for Wade to put a player in a position (Burnett at RILB) and have him learn that position over the course of the off-season and then switch him to another position entirely when there are two competent players that could start over him (James and Carpenter) at the new position. If anything, it would seem that one of the two players that have been learning the position for the past 6 months would have the best chance to start.

 

[AbeBeta]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic and agreeing with me or what.

It was sarcastic.

Stop arguing with me, Stautner is going to get even more confused.

 

[Hostile]

That's very interesting to me, I do want James to be beaten out, I never even considered Burnett, I always hoped that Carp could do that, but this would be good too.

I think Carpenter and Burnett could be the starting ILBs by mid season. I think Ayodele will be the primary OLB backup and James the primary ILB backup. Burnett played Safety at Tennessee as well as LB, that makes him valuable in the Nickel as well as on a stunt with Roy coming up and him dropping back.

Both Carpenter and Burnett have golden opportunities in front of them this year and need to seize them. IMO.

 

[Hoofbite]

I don't think Thompson is a one trick pony. And he is an NFC leader in return yardage when he plays - you don't just cut those guys for fun. He ran under the same Parcell's that JJ did so you never know what he is capable of when given a chance. .

Now were reaching here. To say that Julius was held back when it was plain as day that Barber wasn't is one thing. To go beyond that and say that Tyson was held back because of Parcells is just ridiculous.

 

[AbeBeta]

I think Carpenter and Burnett could be the starting ILBs by mid season. I think Ayodele will be the primary OLB backup and James the primary ILB backup. Burnett played Safety at Tennessee as well as LB, that makes him valuable in the Nickel as well as on a stunt with Roy coming up and him dropping back.

Both Carpenter and Burnett have golden opportunities in front of them this year and need to seize them. IMO.

I know folks are down on James -- but he does play the run very well -- I think Bill said something in TC last year about not wanting James out for all 3 downs -- of course, in retrospect we all realize he was talking about James not being good against the pass.

To me, James is in a similar situation to Roy W - if we can use him in a way that better fits his skills, he can be very good.

I'd also love to see Burnett come in and be a star -- but what I saw from him last season -- esp. against Philly -- did not fill me with hope.

 

[Vintage]

Why do we need to keep 6 WR's?

Crayton, Owens, Glenn, and Stanback are locks.

Hurd or Miles? Why can't one go? Its not like they are world beaters? I am pretty sure we can 'survive' just fine without one. Austin is the physical specimen and can double as a KR...so I'd gamble on him.

Keep 2 QB's. Chances are we are screwed anyway, if we are looking at Johnson. Who cares about carrying a 3rd on the roster, really? Get a young guy on P.S. and see if we can develop a backup.

Carry an extra CB. Newman, Henry, Glenn, Brown, Ball, Reeves.

 

[theogt]

I know folks are down on James -- but he does play the run very well -- I think Bill said something in TC last year about not wanting James out for all 3 downs -- of course, in retrospect we all realize he was talking about James not being good against the pass.

To me, James is in a similar situation to Roy W - if we can use him in a way that better fits his skills, he can be very good.

I'd also love to see Burnett come in and be a star -- but what I saw from him last season -- esp. against Philly -- did not fill me with hope.

I'd also note that I have no idea what a 245 pound James will play like in a Wade Phillips defense. When he came out of college he was running in the low 4.7s at 245. Losing that 20 pounds may may save his career.

But then again, that may mean he's not as stout against the run.

 

[theogt]

Why do we need to keep 6 WR's?

Crayton, Owens, Glenn, and Stanback are locks.

Hurd or Miles? Why can't one go? Its not like they are world beaters? I am pretty sure we can 'survive' just fine without one. Austin is the physical specimen and can double as a KR...so I'd gamble on him.

Keep 2 QB's. Chances are we are screwed anyway, if we are looking at Johnson. Who cares about carrying a 3rd on the roster, really? Get a young guy on P.S. and see if we can develop a backup.

Carry an extra CB. Newman, Henry, Glenn, Brown, Ball, Reeves.

Why keep an extra CB? It's not like they are world beaters. I am pretty sure we can 'survive' just fine without one.



I do agree that if one gets cut it should be Hurd. He's a decent project, but he doesn't have quite the same ceiling as Miles.

 

[Vintage]

Why keep an extra CB? It's not like they are world beaters. I am pretty sure we can 'survive' just fine without one.



I do agree that if one gets cut it should be Hurd. He's a decent project, but he doesn't have quite the same ceiling as Miles.

Our top CBs are around the 30 year old barrier. Our nickle is 35. We need to start developing a CB and fast.

Yeah, Owens and Glenn are up there. But Crayton might be able to take over a #2 role. Owens has the body type/fitness to survive a couple more seasons if we want him in Dallas. And if Stanback pans out.... I think we are better situated at WR than CB in the near future. Hence why I would like to keep an extra DB spot for Ball and Brown to see if we can get a future nickle back developed.

If in the end, neither Ball or Brown are good (which is very likely), then keep Hurd around, I guess.

 

[firehawk350]

Why do we need to keep 6 WR's?

Crayton, Owens, Glenn, and Stanback are locks.

Hurd or Miles? Why can't one go? Its not like they are world beaters? I am pretty sure we can 'survive' just fine without one. Austin is the physical specimen and can double as a KR...so I'd gamble on him.

Keep 2 QB's. Chances are we are screwed anyway, if we are looking at Johnson. Who cares about carrying a 3rd on the roster, really? Get a young guy on P.S. and see if we can develop a backup.

Carry an extra CB. Newman, Henry, Glenn, Brown, Ball, Reeves.

Kurt Warner was a #3 QB and so was Trent Green. Wasn't Romo slated as #3 before the season? My point being is you never know when you'll need them because if something happens to Romo and he's out for the season and then Johnson suffers even a minor injury that puts him out for the quarter or just a couple of plays, who are you going to put in? On top of that, you never know what young talent you might have.

 

[Vintage]

Kurt Warner was a #3 QB and so was Trent Green. Wasn't Romo slated as #3 before the season? My point being is you never know when you'll need them because if something happens to Romo and he's out for the season and then Johnson suffers even a minor injury that puts him out for the quarter or just a couple of plays, who are you going to put in? On top of that, you never know what young talent you might have.

If Romo goes out and Johnson goes out, we are losing that game anyway.

Denver carried two QBs last year, Plummer and Cutler.

 

[firehawk350]

Our top CBs are around the 30 year old barrier. Our nickle is 35. We need to start developing a CB and fast.

Yeah, Owens and Glenn are up there. But Crayton might be able to take over a #2 role. Owens has the body type/fitness to survive a couple more seasons if we want him in Dallas. And if Stanback pans out.... I think we are better situated at WR than CB in the near future. Hence why I would like to keep an extra DB spot for Ball and Brown to see if we can get a future nickle back developed.

If in the end, neither Ball or Brown are good (which is very likely), then keep Hurd around, I guess.

But you can toss them on the PS and most likely, they'll be there next year when you know more about your receiving corps (Austin and Hurd prove themselves yet??? Is Glenn and TO slowing down and will Crayton seek greener pastures elsewhere???) There's a lot more risk putting Austin, Hurd or Stanback then Ball.

If you end up needing another CB, then Ball is there on the PS. I'm not sure any of those receivers will be.

 

[theogt]

Our top CBs are around the 30 year old barrier. Our nickle is 35. We need to start developing a CB and fast.

Yeah, Owens and Glenn are up there. But Crayton might be able to take over a #2 role. Owens has the body type/fitness to survive a couple more seasons if we want him in Dallas. And if Stanback pans out.... I think we are better situated at WR than CB in the near future. Hence why I would like to keep an extra DB spot for Ball and Brown to see if we can get a future nickle back developed.

If in the end, neither Ball or Brown are good (which is very likely), then keep Hurd around, I guess.

I don't think the age issue fits your argument very well. Our starting corners are much younger than our starting receivers. Newman is around for many years to come and Henry could possibly stick around longer than his current contract. Glenn and TO could be gone by next season.

 

[firehawk350]

If Romo goes out and Johnson goes out, we are losing that game anyway.

Denver carried two QBs last year, Plummer and Cutler.

I'm sure that's what Rams' fans said if Warner was going to play. Or what Skins fans said when Trent Green was put in.

 

[Vintage]

I don't think the age issue fits your argument very well. Our starting corners are much younger than our starting receivers. Newman is around for many years to come and Henry could possibly stick around longer than his current contract. Glenn and TO could be gone by next season.

Newman, yeah. But Henry with the injury problems we have had with him the past two years and being on the wrong side of 30...I think we may need to look there sooner than some are expecting.

And Aaron Glenn is 35.

I trust our backup option in Crayton than I do in Glenn.

 

[theogt]

Newman, yeah. But Henry with the injury problems we have had with him the past two years and being on the wrong side of 30...I think we may need to look there sooner than some are expecting.

And Aaron Glenn is 35.

I trust our backup option in Crayton than I do in Glenn.

At a minimum Henry will be around to finish his contract (through '09). It's a pretty cheap deal in those last 2 years (2.6 mm base salary). I think we'll draft a CB high in '08 to fill Glenn's nickel role and eventually take over for Henry.

I do trust Crayton as a 3rd receiver much more than I trust Glenn, but that has nothing to do with keeping a 6th receiver or a 6th CB to me.