Roy Williams a first teamer with the Bengals.

[Monster Heel]

Should we go ahead and cue the rueage or just feel sorry that the Bengals apparently don't have a better strong safety?

 

[Doomsday101]

Should we go ahead and cue the rueage or just feel sorry that the Bengals apparently don't have a better strong safety?

I'm curious to see how Roy does in Cinn. I have no hard feelings towards him and hope he can get his career back on track.

 

[Alexander]

Should we go ahead and cue the rueage or just feel sorry that the Bengals apparently don't have a better strong safety?

Or how about don't care at all?

 

[TheCount]

I'm curious to see how Roy does in Cinn. I have no hard feelings towards him and hope he can get his career back on track.

Yeah, I'm with you.

Was there really any reason to suspect he wouldn't start for the Benglas?

 

[dbair1967]

Somebody was on talking about him in Cinci the other day, might have been Mosley. Said he was told RW has had a poor camp and didnt look any different there.

I dont know if he did or didnt play vs New Orleans last week but he didnt show up in the stats.

 

[The Quest for Six]

I could care less about Roy "The Thong" Williams, If I was the GM of the cowboys, I wouldn't of drafted him in the first place and he certainly wouldn't of got a his last contract extension three years ago, I would of let him walk or traded him. I have no idea what Jerry was thinking or watching. Williams was a one dimensional player from day one in a league that was switching to a spread type offense where both safeties have to be interchangeable.

 

[Alexander]

I could care less about Roy "The Thong" Williams, If I was the GM of the cowboys, I wouldn't of drafted him in the first place and he certainly wouldn't of got a his last contract extension three years ago, I would of let him walk or traded him. I have no idea what Jerry was thinking or watching. Williams was a one dimensional player from day one in a league that was switching to a spread type offense where both safeties have to be interchangeable.

He was a very good player up until 2005 and then went downhill mentally after that. I cannot fault Jones for drafting him. He was a great player, but he, not Jones, was responsible for fine-tuning his game to adjust to the changes. If he was in shape, mentally into it, motivated and hungry, he could still be a decent safety. I firmly believe that. But for whatever reason (mostly between his ears), he's not and probably will never be again.

I do fault Jerry Jones for the extension. His loyalty to his players has always been a problem so Williams was not much different than many bad extensions he's granted over the years.

 

[pgreptom]

He was a very good player up until 2005 and then went downhill mentally after that. I cannot fault Jones for drafting him. He was a great player, but he, not Jones, was responsible for fine-tuning his game to adjust to the changes. If he was in shape, mentally into it, motivated and hungry, he could still be a decent safety. I firmly believe that. But for whatever reason (mostly between his ears), he's not and probably will never be again.

I do fault Jerry Jones for the extension. His loyalty to his players has always been a problem so Williams was not much different than many bad extensions he's granted over the years.

That loyalty is the same reason players love to play for Dallas, and most have no problem coming to play for Dallas.

 

[Reality]

He was a very good player up until 2005 and then went downhill mentally after that. I cannot fault Jones for drafting him. He was a great player, but he, not Jones, was responsible for fine-tuning his game to adjust to the changes. If he was in shape, mentally into it, motivated and hungry, he could still be a decent safety. I firmly believe that. But for whatever reason (mostly between his ears), he's not and probably will never be again.

I do fault Jerry Jones for the extension. His loyalty to his players has always been a problem so Williams was not much different than many bad extensions he's granted over the years.

Well said..

 

[tunahelper]

He was a very good player up until 2005 and then went downhill mentally after that. I cannot fault Jones for drafting him. He was a great player, but he, not Jones, was responsible for fine-tuning his game to adjust to the changes. If he was in shape, mentally into it, motivated and hungry, he could still be a decent safety. I firmly believe that. But for whatever reason (mostly between his ears), he's not and probably will never be again.

I do fault Jerry Jones for the extension. His loyalty to his players has always been a problem so Williams was not much different than many bad extensions he's granted over the years.

Hungry as it applies to RW:
A) He ate himself out of position
B) He lost his fire after the 2nd contract

 

[Doomsday101]

He was a very good player up until 2005 and then went downhill mentally after that. I cannot fault Jones for drafting him. He was a great player, but he, not Jones, was responsible for fine-tuning his game to adjust to the changes. If he was in shape, mentally into it, motivated and hungry, he could still be a decent safety. I firmly believe that. But for whatever reason (mostly between his ears), he's not and probably will never be again.

I do fault Jerry Jones for the extension. His loyalty to his players has always been a problem so Williams was not much different than many bad extensions he's granted over the years.

My own feeling is the changing of rules regarding the big hits on the WR and the horse collar rule made Roy more reluctant which made him less aggressive. Roy was never a deep cover guy but more of an enforcer in the secondary. However that is just my view

 

[Ken]

Hmmm. I watched the hard knocks show last night and it was conflicting... At first, the Narrator said he was 1st string...then the guy that was the backup said that he was happy to be ahead of Roy and didn't intend to give it up.

Watching Hard knocks...I have not been impressed with him. He is soft...

 

[Doomsday]

I wish Roy nothing but the best, but I am glad he is no longer a Cowboy.

 

[Chief]

Football just isn't that important to Roy.

It's that simple.

He hinted at it right after he left Oklahoma.

 

[Ken]

My own feeling is the changing of rules regarding the big hits on the WR and the horse collar rule made Roy more reluctant which made him less aggressive. Roy was never a deep cover guy but more of an enforcer in the secondary. However that is just my view

I think rule changes hurt him some but it was finding the lord and not wanting to hurt anyone that ruined his football career.

Not even close to being as viscous as he once was.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think rule changes hurt him some but it was finding the lord and not wanting to hurt anyone that ruined his football career.

Not even close to being as viscous as he once was.

Maybe I still think the big fines and changing of the rules made him less aggressive than he was. Who knows I'm not a mind reader

 

[The Quest for Six]

He was a very good player up until 2005 and then went downhill mentally after that. I cannot fault Jones for drafting him. He was a great player, but he, not Jones, was responsible for fine-tuning his game to adjust to the changes. If he was in shape, mentally into it, motivated and hungry, he could still be a decent safety. I firmly believe that. But for whatever reason (mostly between his ears), he's not and probably will never be again.

I do fault Jerry Jones for the extension. His loyalty to his players has always been a problem so Williams was not much different than many bad extensions he's granted over the years.

It had nothing to do with training or what was between his ears(he found God)the guy just wasn't athletic, stiff in the hips. He was a one trick pony, a coming forth hard hitter, that's it. He lost weight two straight years, didn't help. The knock on him besides of his lack of ability to cover coming out of college was his inability to understand the scheme and playbook. Dallas tested him before the draft and he failed, and they still drafted him anyway.. I wanted Haynesworth in that draft, not williams.

 

[big dog cowboy]

He was a very good player up until 2005 and then went downhill mentally after that. I cannot fault Jones for drafting him. He was a great player, but he, not Jones, was responsible for fine-tuning his game to adjust to the changes. If he was in shape, mentally into it, motivated and hungry, he could still be a decent safety. I firmly believe that. But for whatever reason (mostly between his ears), he's not and probably will never be again.

I do fault Jerry Jones for the extension. His loyalty to his players has always been a problem so Williams was not much different than many bad extensions he's granted over the years.

Spoken for truth!!!

 

[CowboyMike]

It had nothing to do with training or what was between his ears(he found God)the guy just wasn't athletic, stiff in the hips. He was a one trick pony, a coming forth hard hitter, that's it. He lost weight two straight years, didn't help. The knock on him besides of his lack of ability to cover coming out of college was his inability to understand the scheme and playbook. Dallas tested him before the draft and he failed, and they still drafted him anyway.. I wanted Haynesworth in that draft, not williams.

While he may not have had the initial understanding, he still had the ability to learn over time. Roy was not willing to do that.

He never put enough time in the playbook or film room here. It was a known fact. That was as much of the problem as anything else.

 

[rcaldw]

Roy Williams was an impact player in College. He was also pretty good early on in his NFL career. I'm not sure what has happened to him, but I don't buy the argument that he couldn't have been a great player in the pros. I think he had the ability, it has to be explained some other way.