Roy Williams did NOT horsecollar Lynch

[Cajuncowboy]

I was listening to Norm last night after the game and he explained the Horsecollar rule. He said that if you have your hand on the FRONT of a player at the same time you have your hand on the back, it can not be considered a horsecollar tackle. Since Roy obviously had his hand on the front (facemask penalty) then it could not have been a horsecollar.

One thing that Norm did say was that he was stunned that TNew didn't called for a helmet to helmet hit our of bounds on that play.

 

[Canadian BoyzFan]

I was listening to Norm last night after the game and he explained the Horsecollar rule. He said that if you have your hand on the FRONT of a player at the same time you have your hand on the back, it can not be considered a horsecollar tackle. Since Roy obviously had his hand on the front (facemask penalty) then it could not have been a horsecollar.

One thing that Norm did say was that he was stunned that TNew didn't called for a helmet to helmet hit our of bounds on that play.

That was a big hit. I would not be surprised if Tnew gets a fine for it. When they showed the reply the crowd went crazy.

 

[DallasCowpoke]

He said that if you have your hand on the FRONT of a player at the same time you have your hand on the back, it can not be considered a horsecollar tackle. Since Roy obviously had his hand on the front (facemask penalty) then it could not have been a horsecollar.

Regardless, it's a chicken-S move and it's making him look more and more like a cheap-shot artist.

I know, if the shoe were on the other foot, ppl all over this board would be BBQing him as just such.

 

[BigD]

Regarding the horse collar, I thought a horse collar is the tackling player has his hand inside the neck area of the shoulder pad and pulls the ball carrier down and it isn't a horse collar if the player brings him down the same way but only grasps the shirt?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse-collar_tackle

I swear I heard at some point it wasn't called unless the tacklers hand was inside the collar of the ballcarriers shirt.

Ok, I guess not....

• All players are prohibited from grabbing the inside collar of the back of the shoulder pads or jersey, or the inside collar of the side of the shoulder pads or jersey, and immediately pulling down the runner. This does not apply to a runner who is in the tackle box or to a quarterback who is in the pocket. Previously, the “horse-collar” tackle rule did not include the back of the shoulder pads or

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Regarding the horse collar, I thought a horse collar is the tackling player has his hand inside the neck area of the shoulder pad and pulls the ball carrier down and it isn't a horse collar if the player brings him down the same way but only grasps the shirt?

That's my understanding of the rule as well. If you have ONLY the jersey from inside the collar it should not be a horse collar. If you have your hand inside the neck area of the shoulder pads AND your hands are on the front of the player, it should not be a horse collar. Only if you use the inside of the shoulder pads from behind as the sole means of bringing a player down should it be a horse collar.

Edit: I just saw your edited post. That is news to me. Also, I do believe though that if you are engaged otherwise with the player and have your hand elsewhere on the front of the player, it is not a penalty.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Well, I say if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, its a duck.

That was another horsecollar from Roy, maybe he will get fined, maybe not. Its his money, not mine.

 

[THEHEREAFTER]

That was BS from Roy. He can seriously hurt someone like that. I'd really like to see him blow someone up by tackling with better technique.

 

[CowboyWay]

That was BS from Roy. He can seriously hurt someone like that. I'd really like to see him blow someone up by tackling with better technique.

I agree. Its getting ridiculous. If this was anyone other than a cowboy, we'd be blasting him. Man up and tackle someone, don't grab them.

 

[AdamJT13]

One thing that Norm did say was that he was stunned that TNew didn't called for a helmet to helmet hit our of bounds on that play.

Norm needs to learn the rules, then. Helmet-to-helmet contact is illegal ONLY against a quarterback in the act of throwing and a receiver in the act of trying to make a catch. Unless you lead with your helmet -- which is spearing -- it's not against the rules. Newman led with his shoulder, and the side of his helmet made contact. That's not against the rules.

 

[LarryCanadian]

Adam. I appreciate the clarification on that helmet to helmet rule. I didn't know it was limited to QB and Receiver making a catch either. I was still surprised that 15 yards didn't get tacked on for a late/out of bounds hit though.

LarryCanadian

 

[DallasCowpoke]

Norm needs to learn the rules, then. Helmet-to-helmet contact is illegal ONLY against a quarterback in the act of throwing and a receiver in the act of trying to make a catch. Unless you lead with the crown of your helmet -- which is spearing -- it's not against the rules. Newman led with his shoulder, and the side of his helmet made contact. That's not against the rules.

I've noticed that 50% of your posts start w/ "so-and-so needs to learn ___".

There's plenty of times that call is made, regardless of what the intent was, or who the blow was delivered to, or what the defender led with.

It, like probably 80% of calls, is subjective, (i.e. Owens' delay of game penalty). What "rule" are you gonna cite, if/when, the league comes down w/ a fine, huh Poindexter?

I'm sure your a real knowledgeable "fan" and all, but MAN, does your "I know better than that guy" act get old.

 

[cwbyfan72]

I think the rule was BS to begin with. And it's not called around the leauge.

 

[77Cowboy]

I've noticed that 50% of your posts start w/ "so-and-so needs to learn ___".

There's plenty of times that call is made, regardless of what the intent was, or who the blow was delivered to, or what the defender led with.

It, like probably 80% of calls, is subjective, (i.e. Owens' delay of game penalty). What "rule" are you gonna cite, if/when, the league comes down w/ a fine, huh Poindexter?

I'm sure your a real knowledgeable "fan" and all, but MAN, does your "I know better than that guy" act get old.

Dude you need to chill, Adam is probably the most solid resource for Cowboy information this board has.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Without question, Roy needs to stop grabbing at the back of the neck period. A rule is a rule. What ever happen to wrapping up a players legs. Why must he grab at the back of the neck like he does. The way I see it, if it's against the rules and he continues to do it. Fine him with each fine increasing by 50% of the last fine. I believe he was fined $12,500 for the last one. I didn't look close enough to see if the last one was a horse-collar. If it was, he should be fined $18,750 for last night and if he does it again fine him 28,125 and continue raising it 50% until he decides he is going to put forth enough effort to stop doing it.

 

[AdamJT13]

I've noticed that 50% of your posts start w/ "so-and-so needs to learn ___".

That was my third one out of more than 5,700 posts. Nice math.

There's plenty of times that call is made, regardless of what the intent was, or who the blow was delivered to, or what the defender led with.

Wrong.

It, like probably 80% of calls, is subjective, (i.e. Owens' delay of game penalty). What "rule" are you gonna cite, if/when, the league comes down w/ a fine, huh Poindexter?

If he gets fined, it won't be for helmet-to-helmet contact.

 

[YosemiteSam]

That was my third one out of more than 5,700 posts. Nice math.

I suppose "Taps-n-1 needs to learn math!" :laugh2:

 

[DallasCowpoke]

Dude you need to chill, Adam is probably the most solid resource for Cowboy information this board has.

Actually, not really, but you feel free to follow right along w/ the rest of the sheep and take whatever is posted as gospel.

Myself, I'll do my own research, and remain dubious when it comes to posts on a forum board.

Fair 'nuff "Dude"?

 

[pgreptom]

nyc,

Everytime I read your sig - it pisses me off man.

Still a little over a week before the new 7.10.. and I just can't wait. I'm kind of pissed - because I hate upgrading, but I don't want to have to re-install everything to get the laptop working greatly again. I am excited about KDE4, and all of the new ACPI support, and Power management tools.

Ack. My bad, this is a football board.

 

[JBond]

Taps-n-1, Let me give you some advise. Pick your words carefully when addressing Mr. AdamJT13. I have been reading Mr. AdamJT13 posts since I believe 2002 on another board and here. Not once has he been wrong on a point of fact regarding the NFL or the Dallas Cowboys. He very rarely injects personal opinion. I have yet to seem him loose a major debate when being challenged.

Then again this is just my opinion. Good luck and happy posting.

John

 

[zrinkill]

I've noticed that 50% of your posts start w/ "so-and-so needs to learn ___".

There's plenty of times that call is made, regardless of what the intent was, or who the blow was delivered to, or what the defender led with.

It, like probably 80% of calls, is subjective, (i.e. Owens' delay of game penalty). What "rule" are you gonna cite, if/when, the league comes down w/ a fine, huh Poindexter?

I'm sure your a real knowledgeable "fan" and all, but MAN, does your "I know better than that guy" act get old.

AdamJT13 is probably the most respected guy on this board when it comes to info about the Cowboys.

I trust what he post more than anything I see by any of the Mediots.

If you are gonna try to get in a "pissing" match with him he is gonna beat you senseless with the facts.

And if you are gonna refer to those of us who take what he says as fact as sheep ....... then there is gonna be a LONG line that includes me, probably all the mods and long time posters on this board.