Roy Williams? We're focusing too much attention on the Wrong Guy

[superpunk]

Please tell me that people are not freaking out just because Romo isn't throwing every other pass to Roy Williams.

Oh that's right. People freak out over everything.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm really not concerned with Tony and Roy developing a timing and a trust with each other

 

[DallasEast]

Please tell me that people are not freaking out just because Romo isn't throwing every other pass to Roy Williams.

Oh that's right. People freak out over everything.

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[Thick 'N Hearty]

The proof is in the numbers when it comes to Romo targeting a specific receiver.

When he took over in 2006-2007, his completion percentage was 65+. Receivers weren't crying for the ball. He just found the open guy. Oh yeah, don't forget he was the backup at the beginning of that season and hardly got any reps in practice. Probably didn't have much chemistry playing wise with the receivers.

When TO got here the next year, his percentage slipped to 64.4. Not a huge drop off, but it did coincide with TO. Granted, he threw almost 200 more attempts as the starter for 16 games, but it did slip.

Year 2 of TO saw Romo's percentage slip quite a bit more to 61. That could be excused because of the injury and poor OL play. But, again, it was while TO was here. We all remember the Washington game where TO was targeted something like 18 times. We lost that game 26-24.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

The proof is in the numbers when it comes to Romo targeting a specific receiver.

When he took over in 2006-2007, his completion percentage was 65+. Receivers weren't crying for the ball. He just found the open guy. Oh yeah, don't forget he was the backup at the beginning of that season and hardly got any reps in practice. Probably didn't have much chemistry playing wise with the receivers.

When TO got here the next year, his percentage slipped to 64.4. Not a huge drop off, but it did coincide with TO. Granted, he threw almost 200 more attempts as the starter for 16 games, but it did slip.

Year 2 of TO saw Romo's percentage slip quite a bit more to 61. That could be excused because of the injury and poor OL play. But, again, it was while TO was here. We all remember the Washington game where TO was targeted something like 18 times. We lost that game 26-24.

Your memory is a bit off. TO was here when Romo first became a starter. Remember TO was all for Bledsoe being benched? Romo has never started without TO as one of his primary targets. That's where all the panic is coming from. Personally, I think Romo and Roy will be a fine duo.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

he's already gelled with everyone except Roy. if they gel we're that much more dangerous on offense. if they don't we will struggle especially vs top defenses like NYG and Philly. All i'm saying is he should throw a little more to Roy since they haven't gelled yet. once they have than Romo can throw to whoever he wants at anytime.

we will just agree to disagree....the whole POINT of TO being cut is so that Romo can THROW to the OPEN guy....if Roy is NOT open...then you want him to throw it to him ANYWAY so they can GEL?

 

[Rampage]

we will just agree to disagree....the whole POINT of TO being cut is so that Romo can THROW to the OPEN guy....if Roy is NOT open...then you want him to throw it to him ANYWAY so they can GEL?

sometimes yes so they can learn what not to do. this is practice and this is where you try to work out the kinks. I'd rather have them make mistakes in training camp(practice) than in games that matter. also reports are saying that Roy has been open and Romo just isn't throwing him the ball. I also want Romo to throw to the open receiver but that's mainly in games once he's in sync with everyone of his targets. stats like completion % and crap like that don't matter in TC. you gotta work out the kinks and gel as a team in TC to set the foundation of your team for the season. all the greats say it starts it TC.

 

[Doomsday101]

we will just agree to disagree....the whole POINT of TO being cut is so that Romo can THROW to the OPEN guy....if Roy is NOT open...then you want him to throw it to him ANYWAY so they can GEL?

I agree with you. I will say it is important that Romo and Roy develop timing and as important trust because there will be times when Romo will not have the opportunity to have 3 or 4 reads as the defense is bearing down on him and like any QB he will have his go to guy who he knows will make a play on the ball even in cases of double team. Aikman never shied away from Irvin in the clutch even with the double team because Troy knew Mike would go up and fight for the ball.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

sometimes yes so they can learn what not to do. this is practice and this is where you try to work out the kinks. I'd rather have them make mistakes in training camp(practice) than in games that matter. also reports are saying that Roy has been open and Romo just isn't throwing him the ball. I also want Romo to throw to the open receiver but that's mainly in games once he's in sync with everyone of his targets. stats like completion % and crap like that don't matter in TC. you gotta work out the kinks and gel as a team in TC to set the foundation of your team for the season. all the greats say it starts it TC.

again, we will just agree to disagree...It would be a bad idea for eveyone in the building to see that Romo is forcing the ball to WIlliams...especially when everyone in the building knows that forcing the ball to a player is the reason the offense struggled down the stretch and why wholesale changes were made. We will NEVER get the draft picks back we traded for Roy...we overpaid, which I am ok with because you always overpay withe deals like this...I am interested in winning games....not proving Roy is worth a 1st, 3rd, 5th and 45million. No matter what his numbers look like, the media will portray this as a bad deal. If he catches 100 balls and 12 TDs and we LOSE...the media will point to our RECORD and say he was not worth it. If he catches 80 balls and 7 TDs and we WIN the media will point to his STATS and say he was not worth it. So we might as well just win and let the numbers fall where they may.

 

[newlander]

TREMENDOUS post Wayne: I logged on this morning to post a similar thread but you summed up all my thoughts on the subject perfectly. RW isn't going to be a savior, but the nice part is he doesn't have to be because Witten,Crayton, Hurd, Austin, Felix, MB3, etc... will all do their part. The Oline is the only worry IMO: if they do their job, we'll win 11-13 games IMO. If not: another disappointing season looms.....................(yes, I think the defense will be improved and can't wait for them to prove it)

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

Your memory is a bit off. TO was here when Romo first became a starter. Remember TO was all for Bledsoe being benched? Romo has never started without TO as one of his primary targets. That's where all the panic is coming from. Personally, I think Romo and Roy will be a fine duo.

You're right. Thanks for the correction mamacita.

But, I'm not panicking because Romo doesn't have TO. I'm excited about that.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

did Michael Jordan ever miss a clutch shot? did Troy Aikman ever miss a clutch throw? has Derek Jeter ever struck out in a clutch situation?

not that i can recall

What do you want?

Would you like Tony Romo to force passes towards Roy Williams during training camp practices instead of focusing on correctly running the offense?

Romo and Williams spent a lot of time working together during the off-season. They just need live action reps now against defenses.

There's no need to force anything, the QB-WR dynamic will evolve naturally through camp and pre-season.

I would like for Romo and RW to be on the same page. I would like for Romo to be able to trust RW. I would like for Romo to be able to go for RW in the clutch. I would like for RW to run the routes and be able to gain the confidence and trust of RW.

 

[Mash]

we will just agree to disagree....the whole POINT of TO being cut is so that Romo can THROW to the OPEN guy....if Roy is NOT open...then you want him to throw it to him ANYWAY so they can GEL?

Sorry this makes me laugh.....TO was cut because now Romo can throw to the open guy?.......hahaha.....the power TO had......jedi mind tricks I tell ya

Romo just needs to make better decisions. Owens didnt have a gun to Romo's head....kidnapped his parents and forced Romo to throw the ball to Owens.

Those forced passes....those decisions.....those were all Romo's....good and the bad

Romo makes his reads and makes his decisions. Say Romo and R.Williams do gel....put up great numbers in the first half of the season......then the december swoon starts....Romo makes bad decisions...forces the ball to R.Williams........are we goin to blame R.Williams for those decisions? We already know...R.Williams wants the ball....all WR's do.

All Romo needs to do is make better decisions.....

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Sorry this makes me laugh.....TO was cut because now Romo can throw to the open guy?.......hahaha.....the power TO had......jedi mind tricks I tell ya

Romo just needs to make better decisions. Owens didnt have a gun to Romo's head....kidnapped his parents and forced Romo to throw the ball to Owens.

Those forced passes....those decisions.....those were all Romo's....good and the bad

Romo makes his reads and makes his decisions. Say Romo and R.Williams do gel....put up great numbers in the first half of the season......then the december swoon starts....Romo makes bad decisions...forces the ball to R.Williams........are we goin to blame R.Williams for those decisions? We already know...R.Williams wants the ball....all WR's do.

All Romo needs to do is make better decisions.....

should I assume you are THAT naieve? Or did you just REMOVE all doubt?

 

[AsthmaField]

Sorry this makes me laugh.....TO was cut because now Romo can throw to the open guy?.......hahaha.....the power TO had......jedi mind tricks I tell ya

Romo just needs to make better decisions. Owens didnt have a gun to Romo's head....kidnapped his parents and forced Romo to throw the ball to Owens.

Those forced passes....those decisions.....those were all Romo's....good and the bad

Romo makes his reads and makes his decisions. Say Romo and R.Williams do gel....put up great numbers in the first half of the season......then the december swoon starts....Romo makes bad decisions...forces the ball to R.Williams........are we goin to blame R.Williams for those decisions? We already know...R.Williams wants the ball....all WR's do.

All Romo needs to do is make better decisions.....

You know as well as I do that TO would start to create problems on the sideline if he wasn't being targeted on most of the passing plays. He would start walking up and down the sideline talking to himself and yelling at the other coaches and players.

If he continued to be ignored, his antics would escalate and it would create major problems on the sideline.

However, that didn't happen much at all in Dallas. It wasn't because he matured and realized how harmful that kind of behavior can be to a team. It wasn't because he understood that when an opposing defense double and triple teams him, the best way to win is for the ball to be thrown elsewhere.

No... the reason it didn't happen much in Dallas is because Romo and Garrett knew exactly what would happen if they didn't throw the ball to TO early and often, so every game they threw to him over and over and over. They knew it would cause severe problems on the sideline and in the locker room if TO wasn't the overwhelming focus of the passing game, so they made sure he was... to the detriment of the team.

TO was thrown to an overwhelming amount because in order for the team to not become fractured, it had to be that way.

But that's okay, right? It isn't a problem because TO just wanted to win... isn't that the way the script reads? The way to win was to use your "best" weapon? It is okay because even if teams rolled their defense towards TO and played him bump and run from the line of scrimmage, had a LB taking away the slant inside, and had the free safety watching him over the top... the best way to win is to repeatedly throw into the teeth of the defense. The best way to win is to continue to do exactly what the defense was coached up to defend all week, no matter how many times they stop it or how smug the defenders look because you are doing exactly what they knew all along that you were going to do.

That's the way to win, right? Because TO knew deep down that forcing it to him over and over is the way to a championship?

Please don't try to act like Romo could go anywhere he wanted with the ball and TO would be alright with it. He had to target TO repeatedly come heck or high-water because if he didn't, the whole team was in jeopardy of being divided by TO's childish tantrums. You knew it, I knew it, the media knew it, and worst of all... opposing team's knew it.

All of that was bad enough when Owens was in his prime. Having all of that when TO started slipping last year, was catastrophic. He couldn't beat good bump and run coverage anymore... much less bump and run with a safety over the top. Yet still, he had to have the ball coming his way because "he only wanted to win".

Gimme a break.

 

[Mash]

Im just sayin.........those decisions were Romo decisions.

And the excuse that they had to get the ball to TO early.....to make him happy......here is what kitna said about Roy

"Roy is one of those players who feeds off of momentum," Kitna said. "When the ball starts coming his way, he gets a couple catches and starts getting into the game early, he can become a real dangerous receiver, one that I've seen intimidate defenses.

"That's going to be the key - how can we get him comfortable, what are the routes he likes, that he's going to win at 100 percent of the time. Get him the ball early in the football game, and then watch him roll. Because once he gets going, he's a sight to be seen."


All great WR's want the ball......Romo mentioned last year that Witten is constantly telling him in the lockerroom after games that he wants the ball.


Im not defending TO actions on the sidelines or the field.......some may assume that his yelling on the sidelines is complaining.....and some say he was just a cheerleader and trying to get the team goin.......who knows? I havent heard what he ever said......

But my point was.........its laughable to think that Romo bads decisions were because he was trying to please TO. The name of the game is to make the right throws.......and win the ballgame.......not to please another teammate because your getting tired of hearing him asking for the ball. Be a leader.....not a pleaser

Who will be next to be cut if Romo doesnt throw to the open guy?

 

[Chuck 54]

you guys are missing the point. Roy is the best wr on this team and is capable of doing very good things now that he finally has a qb. Romo should be going to him more in TC cause it's ok if they make mistakes now. you figure out things and mistakes are gonna happen when you're doing that. you don't want them making these same mistakes in the games where it will hurt us. I'll tell you right now Jerry isn't paying Roy that much to not be in sync with Romo and he will remind Garrett if they're not connecting on the level that Jerry is expecting. It's still very early but they need to get it figured out soon.

I'm not at practice, so I can't really see what's going on...just reading the reports. If Roy Williams is running around open in the secondary, coming out of his breaks as a clearly open target, and Romo simply throws it to other guys because he doesn't trust Roy or because they have no timing together at all after all the practices last year and this offseason (hard to believe), then I'm upset with Tony Romo.

However, if Roy isn't getting separation, isn't getting open on time, on plays where he is the first option or any option in the progression through a particular play's passing tree, and Tony is throwing it to guys who ARE open and free to rumble or is checking down faster due to the pass rush, then I'm very happy with Tony Romo and don't give a hoot about Roy's catches in practice.

I just don't want Tony deciding before the snap where the ball is going...he should know where it's supposed to go, but he still has to read the coverage and find the open guy. I don't want him forcing throws to Roy during the season or in training camp.

It's Roy's job to get open, especially when he's the key read; it's Tony's job to find him when he's open or just before he's open and deliver the ball where he can catch it...or throw it to someone else. I guess only someone actually at camp can tell us if we have a problem, who's problem it is, or if we simply have an offense that's moving the ball well and operating effectively without a superstar receiver who can beat the coverage on most plays.

 

[lgarcia792002]

i agree 100% with this

 

[ctalker]

Mail it in. We're going 0-16 this year.

Dude, relax. I didn't say we were done. I don't mail anything in, just trying to have present an opposing opinion of the topic which I believe could be relevant. I actually think our offense will be very good and could end up in the top 5 to 10 in the NFL.

It's funny that anyone who posts anything remotely negative about the team, and doesn't proclaim Romo ready for the hall of fame, gets blasted.

OK, I will grab my sisters pom poms and join the rest of you guys. We are the best team in the NFL and have no weaknesses. Any perceived weaknesses is actually a strength to the team and part of the master plan and should not be discussed at all costs.

To discuss these things could possibly could somehow curse the team, ruin my morning coffee, and a REAL fan wouldn't question that stuff anyways.

Romo is the perfect QB and doesn't have to worry about improving areas of his game. And without a doubt we are going to the win the superbowl for the next 5 years. Go Cowboys!

JUST KIDDING guys! No disrespect meant. I am excited about the coming year as anyone and we are all fans. Just making a point that it's OK to admit we could have potential weaknesses in certain areas. None of us really know at this point and won't until the real games start.