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What NFL rules are out of line? What would you like to see changed?

For me:

1. Get rid of Instant Replay. It simply doesn't work. Obviously.

2. Pass Interference - why is this the only penalty (that I can think of) where you can get like a zillion yards? Isn't it tough enough being a corner in the NFL, arguably the hardest position to play? If PI is "spot of the foul", why isn't holding on the offense? I would limit PI to a 15-yard penalty.

3. IF Instant Replay stays, then *I* say, do NOT limit what can be reviewed. EVERYTHING can be reviewed. Period. No ambiguity. No BS. And that INCLUDES mistaken whistles by the refs. Fair is freaking fair.

4. Overtime. I think the college game has it right. But instead of the 25 yd line as in college, I think the Pros should start at the 45 or 50 yd line.

5. Field goals beyond 55 yards - 4 points.

Thoughts? Additions? Arguments?
 

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A certain GB coach, i wont mention names, tossing out the red challenge flag to get a free time out KNOWING he had none. I want a fine, than i want to start either fining refs or start throwing them out of the league, plenty more people want to do that.
 

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Honestly, I think the only thing that should change is the Pass Interference. I HATE the spot foul call. Not to mention that most pass interference calls are judgement calls anyway. It also kills me how personal fouls are only 15 yards and pass interference calls can be like 40 yards.
 

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I think the horse collar tackle rule is stupid and I think DBs are too scrutinized on PI. It's football.
 

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First, I'd like to see them go to a NCAA replay system where the refs in the booth can choose to review the play. It's usually efficient and well done, which is surprising from the college level.

Can't review everything, as there will be some calls that are completely judgement based. It will hold up the game.

Don't get rid of instant replay. Getting rid of it doesn't make the official any more competent.

Here's one rule I'd like to see changed...being able to review possession of a loose ball after a fumble.

What needs to happen is better develop of more 'good' refs. Then they can have competition to see who refs game and who doesn't.

And call me crazy, I think there should be more refs on the field. Mainly have refs that monitor one side of the field at all times. I think of the play a few years ago where Champ Bailey intercepted a Tom Brady pass and took it to the house, but fumbled at the last second. The poor ref had to try and keep up with Champ, who has 4.4 speed. If instead there was a ref that was 'stationed' down by the goal line, he could have better seen the play.






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Phoenix;3081183 said:
What NFL rules are out of line? What would you like to see changed?

For me:

1. Get rid of Instant Replay. It simply doesn't work. Obviously.

2. Pass Interference - why is this the only penalty (that I can think of) where you can get like a zillion yards? Isn't it tough enough being a corner in the NFL, arguably the hardest position to play? If PI is "spot of the foul", why isn't holding on the offense? I would limit PI to a 15-yard penalty.

3. IF Instant Replay stays, then *I* say, do NOT limit what can be reviewed. EVERYTHING can be reviewed. Period. No ambiguity. No BS. And that INCLUDES mistaken whistles by the refs. Fair is freaking fair.

4. Overtime. I think the college game has it right. But instead of the 25 yd line as in college, I think the Pros should start at the 45 or 50 yd line.

5. Field goals beyond 55 yards - 4 points.

Thoughts? Additions? Arguments?

I think they should have an allotted number of "head officials". One for every game, that sit in the review booth. During questionable calls he can radio down to the head official on the field and let him know the correct ruling. During half time he can help with "half time adjustments" similar to the teams playing. He can say "I am seeing a lot of missed calls on this particular type of play. You guys are calling holding to easily and need to keep an eye on the way that # __ is lining up on 3rd downs"

I think that would help a ton. Because as much as we hate on referees, they have a very tough job. Calling plays so quickly, it may look like a hold, or may look like a catch at the time b/c of how fast everything happens.
 

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Hostile;3081196 said:
I think the horse collar tackle rule is stupid and I think DBs are too scrutinized on PI. It's football.

Agree on both points.
 

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ShiningStar;3081187 said:
A certain GB coach, i wont mention names, tossing out the red challenge flag to get a free time out KNOWING he had none. I want a fine, than i want to start either fining refs or start throwing them out of the league, plenty more people want to do that.
Well, after the 2nd challenge is unsuccessful, the officials need to take away the red flag from the coach.

I don't see how throwing the redflag there is any different than Newman kicking the ball after the play last week versus Philly. It's delaying the game and should have been penalized as such.
 

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Yakuza Rich;3081229 said:
First, I'd like to see them go to a NCAA replay system where the refs in the booth can choose to review the play. It's usually efficient and well done, which is surprising from the college level.

Can't review everything, as there will be some calls that are completely judgement based. It will hold up the game.

Don't get rid of instant replay. Getting rid of it doesn't make the official any more competent.

Here's one rule I'd like to see changed...being able to review possession of a loose ball after a fumble.

What needs to happen is better develop of more 'good' refs. Then they can have competition to see who refs game and who doesn't.

And call me crazy, I think there should be more refs on the field. Mainly have refs that monitor one side of the field at all times. I think of the play a few years ago where Champ Bailey intercepted a Tom Brady pass and took it to the house, but fumbled at the last second. The poor ref had to try and keep up with Champ, who has 4.4 speed. If instead there was a ref that was 'stationed' down by the goal line, he could have better seen the play.






YAKUZA


You make really good points. Especially about more good refs. Are these guys still non-professional refs, just doing side jobs? If so, and they used to be if they still aren't, then the NFL should make this position a well-paid permanent one, where their only job is studying and getting better at their job. A true profession, where those who fail, as everywhere else, look for work elsewhere.
 

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EPL0c0;3081299 said:
Well, after the 2nd challenge is unsuccessful, the officials need to take away the red flag from the coach.

I don't see how throwing the redflag there is any different than a player kicking the ball. It's delaying the game and should have been penalized as such.


Absolutely right on the second point. As for the first, taking away the challenge flag, BRILLIANT! (except I doubt the refs were on the ball enough to know that a second challenge had been done, even just after the second one was done....)
 

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Phoenix;3081183 said:
What NFL rules are out of line? What would you like to see changed?

For me:

1. Get rid of Instant Replay. It simply doesn't work. Obviously.

2. Pass Interference - why is this the only penalty (that I can think of) where you can get like a zillion yards? Isn't it tough enough being a corner in the NFL, arguably the hardest position to play? If PI is "spot of the foul", why isn't holding on the offense? I would limit PI to a 15-yard penalty.

3. IF Instant Replay stays, then *I* say, do NOT limit what can be reviewed. EVERYTHING can be reviewed. Period. No ambiguity. No BS. And that INCLUDES mistaken whistles by the refs. Fair is freaking fair.

4. Overtime. I think the college game has it right. But instead of the 25 yd line as in college, I think the Pros should start at the 45 or 50 yd line.

5. Field goals beyond 55 yards - 4 points.

Thoughts? Additions? Arguments?


1. Horsecollar is dumb.

2. Pass Interference should be 15 yards.

3. "Illegal Use of Hands" should NOT be an automatic first down.

4. Holding, if behind the line of scrimmage, should be 10 yards from the spot of the foul. If it's beyond the line of scrimmage, 10 yards from the line.

5. Overtime should be 10 minutes, whoever's winning at the end wins. Sudden death overtime is ridiculous.
 

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casmith07;3081320 said:
5. Overtime should be 10 minutes, whoever's winning at the end wins. Sudden death overtime is ridiculous.

Amen. Just play another quarter.
 

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casmith07;3081320 said:
5. Overtime should be 10 minutes, whoever's winning at the end wins. Sudden death overtime is ridiculous.


Sounds good, but then you get to the point of what happens at the end of OT and still a tie? How many OTs? Nobody really wants to see a game end in a tie...as they say, that's like kissing your sister. And that's why the NHL installed shootouts. And that's why the NCAA does it their way - no ties.
 

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Phoenix;3081366 said:
Sounds good, but then you get to the point of what happens at the end of OT and still a tie? How many OTs? Nobody really wants to see a game end in a tie...as they say, that's like kissing your sister. And that's why the NHL installed shootouts. And that's why the NCAA does it their way - no ties.

If it ends in a tie, it's a tie.
 

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casmith07;3081372 said:
If it ends in a tie, it's a tie.

Take away Sudden Death and 5 minutes of OT that we have now, and, well, that's what we have now. I'll disagree with you then.
 

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New/Revised Rules:

1) You get 3 challenges...period. I hate the fact that you have to "save" a challenge. Maybe if the reffing got better, I'd be okay with 2, but sometimes, they won't overturn an early call, and we're stuck having to really save a challenge for what's important.

2) PI should be 15 yards.

3) Don't penalize TD celebrations

4) doesn't matter where the QB/passer is, the BALL has to be behind the LOS as it is being thrown just like in a lateral, doesn't matter where the player is, the ball has to not be forward (I think, i'm not completely sure about the lateral, but that is my understanding).

5) If there the home team's stadium is unavailable due to natural disaster/etc, the road team SHOULD NOT automatically get awarded the game, and get an extra home game.

There's more, but that's the best I can do right now.
 

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1) The Pass Interference calls are BS. Teams just chunk it downfiled and if the receiver doesn't catch it, the whole team looks for a flag. It should be a 15 yd. penalty just like college to avoid all that crap.

2) Holding calls should be 5 yards, not 10. You can simply not overcome them on a drive almost always, they are way too common, and not consistently called.
 

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VietCowboy;3081398 said:
New/Revised Rules:

1) You get 3 challenges...period. I hate the fact that you have to "save" a challenge. Maybe if the reffing got better, I'd be okay with 2, but sometimes, they won't overturn an early call, and we're stuck having to really save a challenge for what's important.

2) PI should be 15 yards.

3) Don't penalize TD celebrations

4) doesn't matter where the QB/passer is, the BALL has to be behind the LOS as it is being thrown just like in a lateral, doesn't matter where the player is, the ball has to not be forward (I think, i'm not completely sure about the lateral, but that is my understanding).

5) If there the home team's stadium is unavailable due to natural disaster/etc, the road team SHOULD NOT automatically get awarded the game, and get an extra home game.

There's more, but that's the best I can do right now.


Those are some good ones. I agree with (3) - allow celebrations! (4) - yes, absolutely.....just like the BALL has to be across the goal line for a TD. And (5), heck yeah! There is no reason a "visiting" team should be allowed to have an extra home game, as happened to the Saints at the Giants after Katrina. (I think I remember it was at the Giants)
 

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Actually the refs are supposed to keep track of challenges and when you lose one of your first two the ref takes the flag away after the 2nd challenge is made. The refs goofed the GB 3rd challenge fiasco, they should have taken the flag after the 2nd challenge but instead gave it back.
 

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New rule: If the team that wins the toss doesn't score a TD in overtime, the other teams gets the ball before game can end. If the 2nd team goes on to tie it up, go to a shootout. Just pick a series of passes and/or runs for each team and the one with the most combined yds is the winner.
 
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