Rule clarification

[csirl]

Wrong, the entire pylon is in bounds. Can't believe you don't know that.

No part of the pylon is on the in bounds playing surface.

 

[KJJ]

No part of the pylon is on the in bounds playing surface.

True, but I thought you were referring to if you touch the pylon it's out of bounds. The pylon is an extension of the goal line.

 

[Biggems]

ARTICLE 1. TOUCHDOWN PLAYS. A touchdown is scored when:
(a) the ball is on, above, or behind the plane of the opponents’ goal line (extended) and is in possession of a runner who has
advanced from the field of play into the end zone
(b) a ball in possession of an airborne runner is on, above, or behind the plane of the goal line, and some part of the ball
passed over or inside the pylon
(c) a ball in player possession touches the pylon, provided that, after contact by an opponent, no part of the player’s body,
except his hands or feet, struck the ground before the ball touched the pylon
(d) any player who is legally inbounds catches or recovers a loose ball (3-2-4) that is on, above, or behind the opponent’s
goal line
(e) the Referee awards a touchdown to a team that has been denied one by a palpably unfair act

So, let's say the QB is running to the sideline, and as he is about to go out, he jumps and throws a side arm pass that goes threw the air entirely out of bounds, and the wr stretches out, with tiptoed feet along the sideline and the end zone and catches the ball. Is it a touchdown?

 

[BrassCowboy]

That wouldn't count

the pylon does count as a td. I remember them making a ruling on it, that is why you see a lot of players trying to atleast hit the pylon. but if you are going to ask me to look it up then ok it don't

 

[AdamJT13]

So, let's say the QB is running to the sideline, and as he is about to go out, he jumps and throws a side arm pass that goes threw the air entirely out of bounds, and the wr stretches out, with tiptoed feet along the sideline and the end zone and catches the ball. Is it a touchdown?

If the wide receiver is in the end zone and legally catches the ball, it is a touchdown, even if the ball was out of bounds (in the air).

 

[BrassCowboy]

So, let's say the QB is running to the sideline, and as he is about to go out, he jumps and throws a side arm pass that goes threw the air entirely out of bounds, and the wr stretches out, with tiptoed feet along the sideline and the end zone and catches the ball. Is it a touchdown?

yes, i would say it is

 

[KJJ]

If a players feet are in the endzone it doesn't matter where the ball is. You see receivers make endzone TD's where they keep both feet in bounds but the ball and most of their body is out of bounds. Their feet have to be in bounds in the endzone but the ball doesn't.

 

[BrassCowboy]

If the wide receiver is in the end zone and legally catches the ball, it is a touchdown, even if the ball was out of bounds (in the air).

yep, that is where the goalline is understood to not end at sideline as someone else pointed out above

 

[JBS]

the pylon does count as a td. I remember them making a ruling on it, that is why you see a lot of players trying to atleast hit the pylon. but if you are going to ask me to look it up then ok it don't

Correct..I read it as if the ball was outside the pylon

I thought it was obvious the pylon was in bounds

 

[tyke1doe]

Need to see a video of the play. As long as Dez brought the ball back in allowing it to cross over the pylon it's a touchdown.

Because his feet are in bounds, it doesn't matter if the ball (in his hand) is. His body has to be put of bounds for the ball to be out. But if his body is in bounds, he can run down the sidelines waving the ball out of bounds, it's in bounds until his body/feet go out.

 

[tyke1doe]

If the wide receiver is in the end zone and legally catches the ball, it is a touchdown, even if the ball was out of bounds (in the air).

You said it better and with fewer words than I did.

 

[Biggems]

If the wide receiver is in the end zone and legally catches the ball, it is a touchdown, even if the ball was out of bounds (in the air).

I knew so, just getting clarification......now if Dez does it, incomplete pass....lol

 

[AdamJT13]

Correct..I read it as if the ball was outside the pylon

I thought it was obvious the pylon was in bounds

The pylon is out of bounds.

That rule is misunderstood. A player is not considered to be out of bounds just because he touched a pylon -- in other words, touching a pylon doesn't make a player out of bounds. But if the BALL touches the pylon, it is out of bounds.

 

[KJJ]

I knew so, just getting clarification......now if Dez does it, incomplete pass....lol

Dez has to learn how to complete the process of making a catch. He has to learn how to hang onto the ball through the contact of the ground.

 

[Nightman]

There was a play earlier in the season when a player (DJohnson I think) scored but when they looked at it his foot, it was in the end zone but was also touching the pylon and the ball clearly never got inside the pylon.......he never established himself in the end zone so the ball had to cross the plane

In the picture above, Dez' foot is clearly in the end zone and not out of bounds so the placement of the ball doesn't matter

No good

White was "Never" in bounds, "in" the end zone, only inbounds "through" the endzone.

He stepped from outside the endzone "over" the corner of the endzone and landed out of bounds because of the sharp angle he had to take due to the player push carrying his momentum almost entirely past the endzone.

No good

 

[Nightman]

Dez clearly established himself in the end zone and not through the end zone so the ball doesn't matter

One toe= the ball
Nose of the ball = Two feet
Flyover needs the ball to break the plane

 

[Verdict]

The ball has to break the plane in bounds and I'm sure at some point it probably crossed over the pylon before that picture was taken. Dez may have changed hands with the ball after crossing the goal line. You can't always go by screenshots because you don't know at what point they were taken.

That's not really accurate. The goal line theoretically extends all the way around the world. The ball does not have to cross the horizontal plane inbounds. The player must be inbounds but as long as the ball crosses the plane it is irrelevant if the BALL is out of bounds or not.

 

[KJJ]

That's not really accurate. The goal line theoretically extends all the way around the world. The ball does not have to cross the horizontal plane inbounds. The player must be inbounds but as long as the ball crosses the plane it is irrelevant if the BALL is out of bounds or not.

Dez's feet are in the endzone so it doesn't matter if he's holding the ball out of bounds. As long as a players feet are in the endzone the ball doesn't have to cross the plane. If they toe tap in the back of the endzone and lean out of bounds to catch the ball, it's still a TD provided they have control of the ball.

 

[csirl]

the pylon does count as a td. I remember them making a ruling on it, that is why you see a lot of players trying to atleast hit the pylon. but if you are going to ask me to look it up then ok it don't

Players try an hit the inside face of the pylon with the ball as this is absolute proof of a TD because you have to break the plane to hit it.

Conversely, if the ball hits the front face of the pylon the ball must have gone out of bounds.

This is the reason pylons have square bases (as opposed to circular as in rugby and soccer).

Ball hits pylon on inside - it falls sideways. Ball hits front face it falls back. Makes it easier for officials to rule.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Players try an hit the inside face of the pylon with the ball as this is absolute proof of a TD because you have to break the plane to hit it.

Conversely, if the ball hits the front face of the pylon the ball must have gone out of bounds.

This is the reason pylons have square bases (as opposed to circular as in rugby and soccer).

Ball hits pylon on inside - it falls sideways. Ball hits front face it falls back. Makes it easier for officials to rule.

If this ball touches ANY part of pylon, it is a TD whether it is outside, front side or whatever