Rumor: Cowboys linebacker coach's name being floated for college positions

[Hostile]

Yeah Hos, but getting fired by the Bengals whose had major struggles on defense doesn't give me warm and fuzzies about the man as a coaching candidate.

Granted, I had the same concerns about Reggie Herring, but it should definitely give a person pause before considering the person for a position.

Sigh.

Yeah, every guy in the NFL who has ever been let go is a total bust and should be avoided at all costs.

All hail the warm fuzzy meter for coaching accountability. Brains and pride be damned.

 

[Hostile]

Both were fired because they failed as head coaches. That is a different circumstance. And I think you both are two smart guys who should know that too.

Hunley was with the Bengals for five years and finally Lewis could not continue with him. I am sure he would get a look simply because he used to play for Phillips.

I do know that. It doesn't change the fact the guy is a good football coach who was on a bad team. If Lewis needed him as a fall guy, so be it. He is highly respected as a LB Coach. Has been considered for Head Coaching positions, including at the college ranks.

 

[Alexander]

Sigh.

Yeah, every guy in the NFL who has ever been let go is a total bust and should be avoided at all costs.

And that's not what was stated. The league recycles coaches all of the time.

So I suppose it is safe to assume five years with the Bengals and next to no progress is a good enough resume for you.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Sigh.

Yeah, every guy in the NFL who has ever been let go is a total bust and should be avoided at all costs.

All hail the warm fuzzy meter for coaching accountability. Brains and pride be damned.

Really Hos? You got that out of my post? C'mon now, you can do better than that.

Any coach being fired from a situation like the Bengals or Oakland or the Lions should always be met with some concern. It doesn't mean they're complete failures, but one would be remiss not to look a little deeper into their situations.

I can't imagine how you can think that his firing from the Bengals would be some coup if the 'boys hired him. He may very well do great at his next spot, but you shouldn't think it would be a slam dunk either.

 

[Hostile]

And that's not what was stated. The league recycles coaches all of the time.

So I suppose it is safe to assume five years with the Bengals and next to no progress is a good enough resume for you.

Funny how that's not was stated either.

So you can make assumptions but I cannot? Just so long as I know the rules.

 

[Alexander]

I do know that. It doesn't change the fact the guy is a good football coach who was on a bad team. If Lewis needed him as a fall guy, so be it. He is highly respected as a LB Coach. Has been considered for Head Coaching positions, including at the college ranks.

You keep mentioning this reputation but so far his coaching resume consists of following Lewis from Washington to Cincinnati and floundering for five years. I prefer not to go with someone in that position who has failed with the amount of patience (and draft picks) that was afforded to him.

 

[QT]

I can see Dat getting the position then becoming the DC of the Aggies eventually...

 

[Hostile]

Really Hos? You got that out of my post? C'mon now, you can do better than that.

Any coach being fired from a situation like the Bengals or Oakland or the Lions should always be met with some concern. It doesn't mean they're complete failures, but one would be remiss not to look a little deeper into their situations.

I can't imagine how you can think that his firing from the Bengals would be some coup if the 'boys hired him. He may very well do great at his next spot, but you shouldn't think it would be a slam dunk either.

Every coach is going to be met with concern because our GM is incapable of finding good players or coaches.

Tell me why Ray Sherman was available if he is so good that no team should have let him go.

Coaches are recycled, it doesn't mean they are always bad. Who let that coach go is irrelevant to what is in their head. Hunley is a good football mind. He is respected by this organization.

There's the info. Do with it as you please. All assumptions are welcome.

 

[Alexander]

Funny how that's not was stated either.

So you can make assumptions but I cannot? Just so long as I know the rules.

You can make all the assumptions you want. You think he was just this gem buried in the rubble of Cincinnati and we are just so fortunate we might have an opportunity with him.

I don't see it that way. I see just another coach who had mediocre results and probably hung on longer than he should have. You don't exist for five years on the same staff with bust after bust at your position if you don't have support and probably someone making excuses for you.

It is a results driven business. From what I see he had five full years and a lot of support from Marvin Lewis to prove himself. It is hardly a scapegoat situation.

 

[Alexander]

He is respected by this organization.

He is respected by Wade Phillips and I am sure the fact he goes back with him all the way to Denver has absolutely no bearing on the situation, right?

No offense, but Phillips has demonstrated some questionable taste on who he trusts as his assistants and he is not always right.

Sometimes, coaches are hired simply for familiarity. Phillips has done it before. All coaches do it. I am sure you are aware of that. When I don't see a track record that shows that coach is more than a choice due to coaching nepotism, I am skeptical. And from what is apparent off his record, that is exactly the case.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Wow, Alex, those are a lot of assumptions to make a guy just from a few lines on a resume.

Tony Sparano was OL coach for Cleveland in 2000 and TE coach for the Skins in 2001. Not sure how great he was there to get fired so quickly. But it didn't mean he wasn't a good coach.

And I didn't see where Hunley played for Wade? Unless Wikipedia is wrong, Hunley was at Denver from 84 to 87. Wade didn't get there until 1989.

Hunley may not be a "gem" but that doesn't mean he's a bad coach, either.

 

[Hostile]

By golly you're right. The man can't coach a lick. Thank you.

 

[Hostile]

Wow, Alex, those are a lot of assumptions to make a guy just from a few lines on a resume.

Tony Sparano was OL coach for Cleveland in 2000 and TE coach for the Skins in 2001. Not sure how great he was there to get fired so quickly. But it didn't mean he wasn't a good coach.

And I didn't see where Hunley played for Wade?

Hunley may not be a "gem" but that doesn't mean he's a bad coach, either.

Good facts. Too bad they are irrelevant since he never coached for the Bengals.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Every coach is going to be met with concern because our GM is incapable of finding good players or coaches.

That's never been my position, so that doesn't apply.

Tell me why Ray Sherman was available if he is so good that no team should have let him go.

Actually Sherman wasn't available when the 'boys got him. He was the WR coach for the Titans. It's been noted that he's an outstanding WR coach, who failed in his one coordinating opportunity.

Coaches are recycled, it doesn't mean they are always bad. Who let that coach go is irrelevant to what is in their head.Hunley is a good football mind. He is respected by this organization.

There's the info. Do with it as you please. All assumptions are welcome.

The only point I've made consistently is that you have to look closer as to why someone is let go in the first place. And you can disagree about the location, but when an organization has a specific history, then you gotta look even deeper.

Even if one is held in high regard, you should look deeper just so as to solidify your opinion of that person.

 

[Hostile]

That's never been my position, so that doesn't apply.

Actually Sherman wasn't available when the 'boys got him. He was the WR coach for the Titans. It's been noted that he's an outstanding WR coach, who failed in his one coordinating opportunity.

The only point I've made consistently is that you have to look closer as to why someone is let go in the first place. And you can disagree about the location, but when an organization has a specific history, then you gotta look even deeper.

Even if one is held in high regard, you should look deeper just so as to solidify your opinion of that person.

Oh. So the fact I know his brother Lamonte might be looking deeper?

Look, I admit, I have a bias about him the same way I had a bias about Dat Nguyen, Marco Rivera, Jason Garrett, Dennis Thurman, etc.. I admit to my agenda here.

This guy can coach. If all you want to look at is Cincinnati Bengals, that is fine. I can look beyond a failed tenure in a bad organization. I don't think Bill Parcells and his herd of henchmen can turn that team around. Marvin Lewis is a good coach. He might not be a HC, but the man can coach.

Hunley is respected here. That is the only information I have in this entire thread that is relevant. If we lose Herring (I hope we don't) and Hunley doesn't come here, I talked out of my ***. Threw a name against the wall. If Hunley does come here, I hope he gets more of a chance than the warm fuzzy treatment because of the Bengals. That isn't up to me.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Oh. So the fact I know his brother Lamonte might be looking deeper?

No one asked for your source, but thanks anyway. Not disregarding this, but the source isn't coming from within the 'boys organization.

Look, I admit, I have a bias about him the same way I had a bias about Dat Nguyen, Marco Rivera, Jason Garrett, Dennis Thurman, etc.. I admit to my agenda here.

This guy can coach. If all you want to look at is Cincinnati Bengals, that is fine. I can look beyond a failed tenure in a bad organization. I don't think Bill Parcells and his herd of henchmen can turn that team around. Marvin Lewis is a good coach. He might not be a HC, but the man can coach.

Hunley is respected here. That is the only information I have in this entire thread that is relevant. If we lose Herring (I hope we don't) and Hunley doesn't come here, I talked out of my ***. Threw a name against the wall. If Hunley does come here, I hope he gets more of a chance than the warm fuzzy treatment because of the Bengals. That isn't up to me.

I don't think I've disputed one time that the org has a high regard for Hunley. What I said is they should still do their due diligence.

 

[Alexander]

No one asked for your source, but thanks anyway. Not disregarding this, but the source isn't coming from within the 'boys organization.
I don't think I've disputed one time that the org has a high regard for Hunley. What I said is they should still do their due diligence.

Thank you. It was obvious someone in the organization liked Hunley as we were interested in him last year when Herring got the job. That's not even the point. As for being respected in the organization, I am sure Bruce Read carried that into the building as well.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Thank you. It was obvious someone in the organization liked Hunley as we were interested in him last year when Herring got the job. That's not even the point. As for being respected in the organization, I am sure Bruce Read carried that into the building as well.

And out as well. You can still respect someone on a personal-level, even after reality suggests that their job performance wasn't up to par.

 

[Alexander]

And out as well. You can still respect someone on a personal-level, even after reality suggests that their job performance wasn't up to par.

And they can all "coach" and probably were undoubtedly regarded as "good coaches". But not being dazzled by their connections, resume and results is not the same as saying "they can't coach a lick", now is it?

They are the same as players. You don't get to this level be being horrible. Read was an accomplished special teams coach at Oregon State and had a spotty record with the Giants. But he came highly recommended and was "respected by the organization" for some reason.

You said it. Due dilligence. That is how the best hires are made.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yeah Hos, but getting fired by the Bengals whose had major struggles on defense doesn't give me warm and fuzzies about the man as a coaching candidate.

Granted, I had the same concerns about Reggie Herring, but it should definitely give a person pause before considering the person for a position.

a turd is still a turd, regardless of how hard you try to polish it

the Bengals haven't drafted a quality LB since Takeo Spikes ( a bit of an exaggeration )