Rumor from FSR last night

[visionary]

I live in Cleveland, OH. The local Fox Sports Radio reported last night (Andrew Siciliano's show) that the Cowboys are "close to" a monster extension with DeMarcus Ware.

I hadnt heard or read a peep about this anywhere so this came completely out of left field for me so i figured I would post it.

If true, that would be great, lets wait and see.

 

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

If this is true, I would be a happy camper.

However, it makes me wonder why Ware before Newman when Newmans contract expires before Wares. With all the "rumors" on drafting a CB high and "rumors" of PacMan, I wonder if the Cowboys are looking at life without Newman? And that might be due to CB contracts as of late along with his age.

For the record, I would hate to see Newman leave.

 

[cowboyjoe]

i agree with the thing about newman, i have always liked him, BUT, AND THATS A BIG BUT, HE IS 30, AND HE HAD HIS FIRST SERIOUS INJURY LAST YEAR,

generally players at 30 start to get more injury prone at 30 and when they hit 32 or 33, especially cbs, they slow down, so that means he has only 2-3 years of a good window, so do you pay him that big money for a year or two, or maybe do this;

he is under contract for this year, he cant get away from that, then franchise him next year, if need be, say you dont get a good cb this year,

even at francise next year you would have him locked up for next year too;

i would do something like that, even possibly say you get a good cb this year, francise him next year, sure he wont like it, but neither did Hamlin

then you can trade him and get something for him next year in the draft

just when players turn 32 etc, then tend to break down more, especially CB'S, you name me a top CB that is 32 now!!!

 

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

i agree with the thing about newman, i have always liked him, BUT, AND THATS A BIG BUT, HE IS 30, AND HE HAD HIS FIRST SERIOUS INJURY LAST YEAR,

generally players at 30 start to get more injury prone at 30 and when they hit 32 or 33, especially cbs, they slow down, so that means he has only 2-3 years of a good window, so do you pay him that big money for a year or two, or maybe do this;

he is under contract for this year, he cant get away from that, then franchise him next year, if need be, say you dont get a good cb this year,

even at francise next year you would have him locked up for next year too;

i would do something like that, even possibly say you get a good cb this year, francise him next year, sure he wont like it, but neither did Hamlin

then you can trade him and get something for him next year in the draft

just when players turn 32 etc, then tend to break down more, especially CB'S, you name me a top CB that is 32 now!!!

I don't see the Cowboys putting the tag on him next year. With the contracts for Samuels, Hall, and Clements jacking the average up, that would be too much for a one year salary.

 

[Beast_from_East]

If this is true, I would be a happy camper.

However, it makes me wonder why Ware before Newman when Newmans contract expires before Wares. With all the "rumors" on drafting a CB high and "rumors" of PacMan, I wonder if the Cowboys are looking at life without Newman? And that might be due to CB contracts as of late along with his age.

For the record, I would hate to see Newman leave.

I think it depends on the money. I love Newman, but if he expects $10 mill per yr, I think long and hard about that. We would have to give him a 7 yr contract to spread out the $20 mill or so he would want upfront. Thus, he would be under contract until he was 37?

I am starting to think not. Maybe we get Pac and draft a pair of corners this year. That way we have 3 good, young corners to replace Newman, Henery, and our garbarge third currently.

 

[sago1]

There has been at least 1 article in last 1-2 days discussing Ware & expectations re big contract he could eventually receive but I took it to mean after the 08 season since he signed through 09 season. Wonder if Fox using this article to build a rumor or something in the works. Wonder how Newman whose a FA after 08 season would react to signing Ware before he gets his money. Who knows maybe re-signing Ware now to big extension is his WOW on defensive side of the ball. Or could there be more?

 

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

There has been at least 1 article in last 1-2 days discussing Ware & expectations re big contract he could eventually receive but I took it to mean after the 08 season since he signed through 09 season. Wonder if Fox using this article to build a rumor or something in the works. Wonder how Newman whose a FA after 08 season would react to signing Ware before he gets his money. Who knows maybe re-signing Ware now to big extension is his WOW on defensive side of the ball. Or could there be more?

This is what I was wondering. Which made me to start thinking that maybe, just maybe, they are looking at the possibility of life without Newman.

 

[AbeBeta]

There has been at least 1 article in last 1-2 days discussing Ware & expectations re big contract he could eventually receive but I took it to mean after the 08 season since he signed through 09 season. Wonder if Fox using this article to build a rumor or something in the works. Wonder how Newman whose a FA after 08 season would react to signing Ware before he gets his money. Who knows maybe re-signing Ware now to big extension is his WOW on defensive side of the ball. Or could there be more?

I don't think that Newman is going to react negatively at all -- he likely understands full well that the team needs to that he's 100% in TC before they sign him. His injury issues last year are the only hold up.

People say "omigod Newman is going to be 30!" but fail to realize that a 7 year deal is really a 3 or 4 year deal

 

[Big Dakota]

Maybe an option to pay him a 20 million roster bonus in 2011? **no cap**

 

[k19]

If this is true, I would be a happy camper.

However, it makes me wonder why Ware before Newman when Newmans contract expires before Wares. With all the "rumors" on drafting a CB high and "rumors" of PacMan, I wonder if the Cowboys are looking at life without Newman? And that might be due to CB contracts as of late along with his age.

For the record, I would hate to see Newman leave.

Because Newman will be 30 in Sept, old for a CB not 27 like Samuels, 24 like Hall, or Clements 28. Plus the the CB market has been over inflated and, as evident by Wade's D with the Charges there is more emphasis on the front 7 than the DB's. After all a CB can only cover a player for so long so the more pressure you can put on the QB the better the chance for sacks and picks

 

[Big Dakota]

If this is true, I would be a happy camper.

However, it makes me wonder why Ware before Newman when Newmans contract expires before Wares. With all the "rumors" on drafting a CB high and "rumors" of PacMan, I wonder if the Cowboys are looking at life without Newman? And that might be due to CB contracts as of late along with his age.

For the record, I would hate to see Newman leave.

It's the second biggest contract we'll sign in 10 years outside of Romo's and maybe even bigger than Romo's. Get the monster contract done, then work everything else off that so you know exactly where you are. Make sense?

 

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

It's the second biggest contract we'll sign in 10 years outside of Romo's and maybe even bigger than Romo's. Get the monster contract done, then work everything else off that so you know exactly where you are. Make sense?

That does make sense. And that is why I am starting to question the Cowboys thoughts on Newman on the long term basis.

If we paid Ware like he should be paid, can we afford Newman with the current pay for CBs? Maybe it's a decision on who the Cowboys want more...Newman or Ware. I just don't see them being able to pay both "fair-market". I hope that it can be worked out. Like others have said, Newman getting a long term deal with it really being a 3-4 year contract.

 

[AbeBeta]

Maybe an option to pay him a 20 million roster bonus in 2011? **no cap**

the uncapped year is just a fantasy.

we've been through this before

 

[Chuck 54]

If this is true, I would be a happy camper.

However, it makes me wonder why Ware before Newman when Newmans contract expires before Wares. With all the "rumors" on drafting a CB high and "rumors" of PacMan, I wonder if the Cowboys are looking at life without Newman? And that might be due to CB contracts as of late along with his age.

For the record, I would hate to see Newman leave.

Ware first because it probably frees up cap space this year...you don't redo contracts early just because you like the guy...you do it because you lower his pay in the early years of the contract by paying him a big bonus.

Smart move, and possibly connected to the rumors about Pacman.

 

[Big Dakota]

That does make sense. And that is why I am starting to question the Cowboys thoughts on Newman on the long term basis.

If we paid Ware like he should be paid, can we afford Newman with the current pay for CBs? Maybe it's a decision on who the Cowboys want more...Newman or Ware. I just don't see them being able to pay both "fair-market". I hope that it can be worked out. Like others have said, Newman getting a long term deal with it really being a 3-4 year contract.

I too have major questions about who we can afford and who we can't, after Ware. Obviously, if we can get Pac for the remaining two years on his contract(2008-2009) a the minuscule amount he's owed, that may make us think twice about TNew. Add too that the fact we'll most likely add a CB or even two in the draft next month and TNew could hit the open market. Not saying we won't resign him, but Pac and a couple draft picks gives us options after 2008. That's is IF(and we all know that's a HUGE if) Pac keeps his nose clean in 08 and looks like a viable option for 2009.

 

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

Ware first because it probably frees up cap space this year...you don't redo contracts early just because you like the guy...you do it because you lower his pay in the early years of the contract by paying him a big bonus.

Smart move, and possibly connected to the rumors about Pacman.

Very good point Wayne. Depending on the contract, maybe this is better for the cap with Newman and the possibilty of Pac.

 

[visionary]

first he reported the Tatupu deal and then said " in other NFL news, the Cowboys are close to a monster extension with DeMarcus Ware". this would be great news but we need to see if it gets confirmed because i have not even heard this as a rumor from anyone else

 

[big dog cowboy]

the Cowboys are "close to" a monster extension with DeMarcus Ware.

I hope it's true. He deserves it. I can see Ware being the main cog in our D for a very long time. It would be smart to lock him up long term.

 

[skinsscalper]

There seems to be some questions, in this thread, of who we want more: Ware or Newman? It's not even close. Ware by far. For a multitude of reasons. The #1 being the fact that Ware's impact on the outcome of a game is much higher than Newman's. Without a guy like Ware, Newman is just another guy. QB pressure leads to more INTs than straight coverage ever will. The best CBs in the world can only cover a guy for so long.

Second? With Newman's age the odds ore in favor of Ware being around for a lot longer than Newman, anyway.

Third? It all starts with the front seven (on defense and the o-line on offense). Tremendous pressure on the QB can make even the most mediocre of CBs look like all-stars. Look at Lito Sheppard and Sheldon Brown. When that Eagles front seven is wreaking havok, those guys look amazing. Take away that pressure and they're nothing special. Want to go the other direction? Take Champ Bailey or Chris McAllister for example. Once the dominance of the front seven that they worked behind became less effective, they began to look more "mortal" than they previously were. Don't get me wrong, both are still great corners (Bailey more than McAllister), but they haven't been nearly as effective since the front sevens in front of them began to falter and certainly can't turn things around for their team like a dominant pass rusher could. The Texans passed on Reggie Bush (much to the chagrin of the majority of their fan base) for the same reason. The pick looked idiotic (both immediately and during the following season), however after watching Mario Williams in his second season (how that guy didn't make the Pro Bowl is the biggest joke ever) and watch Reggie Bush become JAG when his team needed him most the pick seems genius. And, in hindsight, it was the right move.

We have, quite possibly a guy that could become the most dominant pass rusher in the league over the next 5-7 years in Ware. Newman? I'm not so sure that he'll be the best in the league, especially since (at the age of 30) he hasn't gotten there yet. He's good, no doubt, but is he worth more than 8% of a salary cap that's supposed to secure 52 other players? At this point I would have to say, unequivocally, "NO". Neither is Clements, Samuels, Hall, or Bailey.

Now, if Newman were to give the Boys some wiggle room and still pay him an elite salary (not 10 million a year) then I would be all over re-signing Newman, but if he wants a Hall, Clements, or Samuels deal then let him walk. You just don't pay 10 million a year for a 31 year old CB even if he turns out to be the next Darrel Green (which he hasn't even really sniffed yet). That money could be spent far wiser than on 1/4 of your secondary.

 

[dalboy]

lets make him a Cowboy forever