Running back group could become a strength for this offense

gimmesix said:
Williams averaged 4.8 yards and scored 11 TDs while carrying the ball 252 times. He rushed for more than 1,200 yards. I don't think pretty much every team has a guy like him.

He was 10th in the league in carries, ninth in the league in rushing yards, also ninth in the league in average for players who rushed for 1,000-plus yards and eighth in the league in TDs. So, it seems to me maybe 10 teams had a guy like him.
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He was in an extremely favorable offense and was t-11 in ypc.

The point is you have to contextualize production within the offense. RYOE does that, and he was like 17th
 
Coogiguy03 said:
I agree too thunder and not to be rude I don't think he has that season he had last year. I was watching mafah on some highlights, maybe he gives Williams a breather and takes reps away from him to keep him fresher
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Don't agree with you much This is exactly my thoughts It's all speculation I believe he does have that don't count out the other two running backs what he's talking about Israel whatever his name is and a guy from totally picked up who looks like a 3 down back.

But I agree with the OP I think this is going to be stronger than people think almost bringing in the same guys from last year and it will help Williams a fresher and it will give us never again flexibility It rotated these guys out for special packages..

I actually like the group People Keep surfing around the Internet for rumors hey we can pick up a veteran running back I disagree I think we're unless when they break camp the last PS game and feel like they need something else..

I think the win game is gonna be improved and and you too with Adams and Stottenheimer designing been more wrinkles into this offense..
 
gimmesix said:
Williams averaged 4.8 yards and scored 11 TDs while carrying the ball 252 times. He rushed for more than 1,200 yards. I don't think pretty much every team has a guy like him.

He was 10th in the league in carries, ninth in the league in rushing yards, also ninth in the league in average for players who rushed for 1,000-plus yards and eighth in the league in TDs. So, it seems to me maybe 10 teams had a guy like him.
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This he's a he's a very good solid steady running back No special skills as far as speed and techno ball the back hill but is what you need But it would be good for him and keeping him fresher, they have a better rotation this year with more wrinkles, and I like this whole group and I think it's going to be much improved in Year 2, with Adams and Schottenheimer and adding more to it...
 
gimmesix said:
Williams averaged 4.8 yards and scored 11 TDs while carrying the ball 252 times. He rushed for more than 1,200 yards. I don't think pretty much every team has a guy like him.

He was 10th in the league in carries, ninth in the league in rushing yards, also ninth in the league in average for players who rushed for 1,000-plus yards and eighth in the league in TDs. So, it seems to me maybe 10 teams had a guy like him.
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Youre confusing production with ability though. I think there is a very real argument that you could throw a number of RBs into the Cowboys backfield and they'd be successful and likely be 1000+ yard rushers on 250 or more attempts.

Ashton Jeanty had a horrible year statistically, but his advanced metrics are very similar to Williams....yards after contact, forced missed tackles, etc. The difference is one player was in a horrific offense where teams could focus on stopping the run game, while the other had two higher end WRs that forced light boxes consistently.

I bet a lot of GMs would rather have Jeanty than Williams.
 
thunderpimp91 said:
Youre confusing production with ability though. I think there is a very real argument that you could throw a number of RBs into the Cowboys backfield and they'd be successful and likely be 1000+ yard rushers on 250 or more attempts.

Ashton Jeanty had a horrible year statistically, but his advanced metrics are very similar to Williams....yards after contact, forced missed tackles, etc. The difference is one player was in a horrific offense where teams could focus on stopping the run game, while the other had two higher end WRs that forced light boxes consistently.

I bet a lot of GMs would rather have Jeanty than Williams.
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I think this is the same argument that has been made over the years to downplay Emmitt Smith's ability. I prefer not taking away from the back and giving all the credit to the offense that he's in. All we've got to go on is what they did in the offense they were in and Williams was a top 10 back last year. I'd only rather have Jeanty because he's young and likely to improve. If they were at the same points in their career and produced similar years to what they had, I'd choose Williams. Going off projection is an easy way to fail.
 
Javonte Williams is solid. Not spectacular but solid.

If Blue can be a legit home run threat and receiver out of the backfield it’ll go nicely with Williams skillset.

We don’t need the running game to be dominant. Just to be average or above average.

Honestly I would just settle for the running game being efficient in the red zone and getting us a bunch of rushing touchdowns.

The passing game will do the rest of the work.
 
LouBrown said:
He was in an extremely favorable offense and was t-11 in ypc.

The point is you have to contextualize production within the offense. RYOE does that, and he was like 17th
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I think you have to be careful just believing that a bunch of other backs could have done the same thing in this offense. Again, it's the same argument that has been made over the years against Emmitt. It's the line. It's the passing game. Etc. Williams' production was top 10, so we know that there were nine other backs as good or better than him last year, and that's all we know.

I think one of the reasons we choose Williams is because we wanted a back with a little burst but some pop between the tackles for a power running game. Not every back has that skill-set, and the game plan would have likely needed to be adjusted for a different one. Doesn't mean that there aren't other backs who couldn't have been successful in it, just that he was a good fit for what we wanted to do and it showed.
 
thunderpimp91 said:
Youre confusing production with ability though. I think there is a very real argument that you could throw a number of RBs into the Cowboys backfield and they'd be successful and likely be 1000+ yard rushers on 250 or more attempts.

Ashton Jeanty had a horrible year statistically, but his advanced metrics are very similar to Williams....yards after contact, forced missed tackles, etc. The difference is one player was in a horrific offense where teams could focus on stopping the run game, while the other had two higher end WRs that forced light boxes consistently.

I bet a lot of GMs would rather have Jeanty than Williams.
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Isn’t it all on paper until they actually show it on the field? Or does that only apply to the cowboys? Not picking on you specifically but I keep hearing this over and over. And I agree, so let’s not anoint Jeanty prematurely
 
gimmesix said:
I think you have to be careful just believing that a bunch of other backs could have done the same thing in this offense. Again, it's the same argument that has been made over the years against Emmitt. It's the line. It's the passing game. Etc. Williams' production was top 10, so we know that there were nine other backs as good or better than him last year, and that's all we know.

I think one of the reasons we choose Williams is because we wanted a back with a little burst but some pop between the tackles for a power running game. Not every back has that skill-set, and the game plan would have likely needed to be adjusted for a different one. Doesn't mean that there aren't other backs who couldn't have been successful in it, just that he was a good fit for what we wanted to do and it showed.
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Emmitt did it for more than one year
 
LouBrown said:
Emmitt did it for more than one year
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He did. I just don't think it's fair to downplay what a back accomplished by basically going, "Pretty much any back could have done that in this offense." We absolutely do not know if that is true. All we do know is that the back we had put up top 10 numbers in most categories. A lot goes into that success, including the skills of the back.
 
blueblood70 said:
Don't agree with you much This is exactly my thoughts It's all speculation I believe he does have that don't count out the other two running backs what he's talking about Israel whatever his name is and a guy from totally picked up who looks like a 3 down back.

But I agree with the OP I think this is going to be stronger than people think almost bringing in the same guys from last year and it will help Williams a fresher and it will give us never again flexibility It rotated these guys out for special packages..

I actually like the group People Keep surfing around the Internet for rumors hey we can pick up a veteran running back I disagree I think we're unless when they break camp the last PS game and feel like they need something else..

I think the win game is gonna be improved and and you too with Adams and Stottenheimer designing been more wrinkles into this offense..
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Please don't ever post this publicly that you agree with me it disrupts the algorithm and it makes people head shake instantly!! Thanks pal:confused:
 
thunderpimp91 said:
Youre confusing production with ability though. I think there is a very real argument that you could throw a number of RBs into the Cowboys backfield and they'd be successful and likely be 1000+ yard rushers on 250 or more attempts.

Ashton Jeanty had a horrible year statistically, but his advanced metrics are very similar to Williams....yards after contact, forced missed tackles, etc. The difference is one player was in a horrific offense where teams could focus on stopping the run game, while the other had two higher end WRs that forced light boxes consistently.

I bet a lot of GMs would rather have Jeanty than Williams.
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We could do this all day There's no way to really tell what type of argument be right 'cause you'd have put those figures in that situation, AJ is a great player no doubt,

However if you look at the cost and the value that we just got to use Williams last year for the money and what he designed is to your deal for at and look at AJ gonna get I'm gonna take Williams because we don't know AJ is gonna do down the road and how he's gonna cost if anything can do it why don't you use one that costs less Not 20 million not 19 million Most of the guys now are making between 14 and 20 million a year we got hours for 8 million..

I'll take that and I get what you're saying and I get your point I'm not really following your whole thread here but actually discussing with this other guy but I can just tell you this we got discount or we're paying exactly what we're getting And I like to utilize the rest of our back build to keep Williams more fresh you can keep doing this every year you do not need to overdraft another Zeke you don't need to pay a guy like Savon Bartley or Christian Mccaffrey they have a good run game not to have a good run game like you said this line and scheme gets better Adams gets with the blocking techniques I like our deep running backroom some of these guys are gonna surprise us this year..

So AJ was overdrafted I don't care his circumstance it did not lead to any special his rookie year Look with Zeke in his rookie year that's what you want when you graft a guy that high..

So I think the Cowboys need to do what they've been doing is try to find I like Williams every two to three years raft guys in the 4th round or later and you just keep churning them out you do not need to overly focus on being sucks to one position and if you want proof in that And I'm not saying you don't disagree but just in case you do why was the Seattle Sox so quick to get rid of their offensive MVP in the Super Bowl, Walker, just let hi walk, pun unintended..

They didn't even blink They knew they had paid JSN so they let her start ring back who might have been their best player in offense in that game against New England Go figure.
 
Coogiguy03 said:
Please don't ever post this publicly that you agree with me it disrupts the algorithm and it makes people head shake instantly!! Thanks pal:confused:
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Yes I think it caused the tsunami along with a earthquake somewhere you're right it set balance nature... :laugh: :popcorn: ;)
 
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