Running Back Resurgence

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I was felt early on that the NFL would experience an NFL resurgence.

I was one of the early believers in investing in an offensive line as well as drafting a running back high to replace Murray, particularly Ezekiel Elliott who I feel like we haven't seen reach the surface of his potential. I had wanted Gurley the year before.

I believe that with Gurley and Barkley's contracts, we are completely in a new age of football since the time where the Broncos helped devalue running backs. We're seeing the return of the lead back again.

Gurley
Bell
Elliott
Hunt
McCoy
Ingram
Howard
Gordon
Fournette
Hyde
Barkley
Henry
Penny
Michel
Chubb

At the same time though, I am very concerned with the new price point for running backs. I think the position has now gone too extreme in the opposite direction. I would trade Elliott before paying him 15 million a year... Get the picks and get someone younger. With the investments in the offensive line, we can justify spending that much on a running back.
 
Teams have to invest in their O lines to make a RB great.
OR
As Denver did with their zone blocking that makes any back look good.
 
Galian Beast said:
I was felt early on that the NFL would experience an NFL resurgence.

I was one of the early believers in investing in an offensive line as well as drafting a running back high to replace Murray, particularly Ezekiel Elliott who I feel like we haven't seen reach the surface of his potential. I had wanted Gurley the year before.

I believe that with Gurley and Barkley's contracts, we are completely in a new age of football since the time where the Broncos helped devalue running backs. We're seeing the return of the lead back again.

Gurley
Bell
Elliott
Hunt
McCoy
Ingram
Howard
Gordon
Fournette
Hyde
Barkley
Henry
Penny
Michel
Chubb

At the same time though, I am very concerned with the new price point for running backs. I think the position has now gone too extreme in the opposite direction. I would trade Elliott before paying him 15 million a year... Get the picks and get someone younger. With the investments in the offensive line, we can justify spending that much on a running back.
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Trade Elliott????? You are out of your mind for what???/ The cap is going up every year.. thats a walking 2000+ total yd 10+ tds every year back... Zeke aint no mediocore rb....

He changes your defensive scheme just being on the field.. The reason why Dakis gonna have 1 on 1 all season on th 1st snap of the game..... better look at the Big picture... Zeke is the best in the league bruh!

Trade Zeke yea right..........


i wonder do some cowboys fans really understand the game and how it works for everybody on the team... zeak effects the defense and special teams just for field position alone and rest....

Big picture... when we win Super Bowls we dont win just one we win in Bunches...

Zekes a smart strategic runner cant teach or coach that... thats Instincts and feel, that Melanin kickin in lol
 
I think that RBs are valued more highly again while they are very young,, so not a full resurgence.
If teams are smart, that'll never happen again--where they are awarding large, 4 year deals to RBs in their very late 20s.
 
kazzd58 said:
Trade Elliott????? You are out of your mind for what???/ The cap is going up every year.. thats a walking 2000+ total yd 10+ tds every year back... Zeke aint no mediocore rb....

He changes your defensive scheme just being on the field.. The reason why Dakis gonna have 1 on 1 all season on th 1st snap of the game..... better look at the Big picture... Zeke is the best in the league bruh!

Trade Zeke yea right..........


i wonder do some cowboys fans really understand the game and how it works for everybody on the team... zeak effects the defense and special teams just for field position alone and rest....

Big picture... when we win Super Bowls we dont win just one we win in Bunches...

Zekes a smart strategic runner cant teach or coach that... thats Instincts and feel, that Melanin kickin in lol
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I gave you a like. Sorry I couldn’t hook up another. Well stated!
 
Nah. Lets run our RB into the ground and throw him away and then use another high draft pick to replace him with. Then we can start the process all over again.;)
 
From the moment we drafted Zeke I never thought he would see a second contract in Dallas. Are RB's valuable? Yes. Do you pay them big bucks? No. The gap between highly productive rookie's and premier backs isn't large enough to warrant big deals like the one Gurley just signed. Now having said that, the cowboys are going down a new model for team construction. They are no longer paying #1 WR money. This could be in preparation to pay Zeke top dollar. We are going to see this year if Dak can run an offense without a true #1 WR.
 
Run him into the ground till he’s 5’2. Hopefully we have won by that point. Franchise him twice to get the last two years out of his worth, and if we draft that high again (heaven’s forbid), maybe not go after a RB, especially one we got only a little more than half a season of last year, and a position that deotriorates faster than any other position in the league.

Run him into the ground, baby.

Trading him is a nonstarter because we won’t get nearly the value he’s worth, both as a top rusher and a #4OA pick.
 
Top dozen 2017 rushers and where they were drafted

  1. Hunt (3rd rd)
  2. Gurley (1st)
  3. Bell (2nd)
  4. McCoy (2nd)
  5. Ingram (1st)
  6. Howard (5th)
  7. Gordan (1st)
  8. Fournette (1st)
  9. Anderson (undft)
  10. Elliott (1st)
  11. Collins (5th)
  12. Gore (3rd)
of course, we know Elliott, if healthy, will be near the top this year.

Anyway, 3 of the top 12 RBs were drafted in the top 10. Though not a huge number, it is higher than usual
 
DFWJC said:
Top dozen 2017 rushers and where they were drafted

  1. Hunt (3rd rd)
  2. Gurley (1st)
  3. Bell (2nd)
  4. McCoy (2nd)
  5. Ingram (1st)
  6. Howard (5th)
  7. Gordan (1st)
  8. Fournette (1st)
  9. Anderson (undft)
  10. Elliott (1st)
  11. Collins (5th)
  12. Gore (3rd)
of course, we know Elliott, if healthy, will be near the top this year.

Anyway, 3 of the top 12 RBs were drafted in the top 10. Though not a huge number, it is higher than usual
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Thing is, with our line, and all that jazz, JC...
 
DFWJC said:
Top dozen 2017 rushers and where they were drafted

  1. Hunt (3rd rd)
  2. Gurley (1st)
  3. Bell (2nd)
  4. McCoy (2nd)
  5. Ingram (1st)
  6. Howard (5th)
  7. Gordan (1st)
  8. Fournette (1st)
  9. Anderson (undft)
  10. Elliott (1st)
  11. Collins (5th)
  12. Gore (3rd)
of course, we know Elliott, if healthy, will be near the top this year.

Anyway, 3 of the top 12 RBs were drafted in the top 10. Though not a huge number, it is higher than usual
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David Johnson(injury) should return to the top 10. 3rd rounder IIRC.
You also have Atlanta who has two good running backs, both drafted on day 2 in Freeman and Coleman who split the load.

Frank Gore @12. Unreal. lol
 
We go as Zeke takes us, or so I'm told here in every thread. So why not want ~360 carries and 50 catches a year? Suck every last ounce out of him, as he destroys the psyche of the opponent.

When we did it with Murray, Murray was old in HB years (as Bell is quickly approaching). It was his last season of apex ability. He still had some production left in his tank after 2014 (and talk about a fubar setup in Kelly's 2015 team, Murray split out,10 carries a game LOL), but we let him toil here for his first few years, even when he flashed ability, seemingly, every game that we did feature him. The GB game in 2013 still gives me nightmares.

Ride. Zeke. While. We. Can.
 
People get way to hung up on what the market says or what everyone else is doing. That's not a smart way to run a team. You can't make decisions on that basis, because what works for one team won't work for another.

If you could draft another Zeke then it would not make sense to pay Zeke an outrageous amount of money. On the other hand, if you can't, then you have to decide what percentage of the cap you are willing to tie up at running back.

This team should have a bell cow back AND an above average backup. Not a used up vet, but a legitimate backup that is borderline starting caliber or better. That's the current engine that makes this team run.

If keeping Zeke costs you an ET, or a Dez so be it assuming he is still playing at this level at contract time. I don't think we will extend Zeke next year unless it's for a team friendly deal. And that's the way it should be. Give him some incentives and see how it goes.

There are only about 15 bell cow backs in the league and Zeke is at the top of that class. We need to make sure if Zeke walks that we have another ready to go.

It may make sense to trade up (if necessary)and get a bell cow back the year before Zeke hits free agency. If Zeke walks in free agency he is probably going to net us a 3rd round comp pick. You could use a 3rd if you had to to move up and get another good one with no net loss in the deal (other than the delay in getting the comp pick.)
 
The NFL swings on a pendulum. Rule changes and the high draft position busts of the later 90's and early 00's, plus the success of lower round picks devalued the position. Now, the pendulum has swung the other way. But defenses will adjust and rules will change and it'll inevitably swing back. Such is the circle of life in the NFL.
 
kazzd58 said:
Trade Elliott????? You are out of your mind for what???/ The cap is going up every year.. thats a walking 2000+ total yd 10+ tds every year back... Zeke aint no mediocore rb....

He changes your defensive scheme just being on the field.. The reason why Dakis gonna have 1 on 1 all season on th 1st snap of the game..... better look at the Big picture... Zeke is the best in the league bruh!

Trade Zeke yea right..........


i wonder do some cowboys fans really understand the game and how it works for everybody on the team... zeak effects the defense and special teams just for field position alone and rest....

Big picture... when we win Super Bowls we dont win just one we win in Bunches...

Zekes a smart strategic runner cant teach or coach that... thats Instincts and feel, that Melanin kickin in lol
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Good post!!
 
Galian Beast said:
I was felt early on that the NFL would experience an NFL resurgence.

I was one of the early believers in investing in an offensive line as well as drafting a running back high to replace Murray, particularly Ezekiel Elliott who I feel like we haven't seen reach the surface of his potential. I had wanted Gurley the year before.

I believe that with Gurley and Barkley's contracts, we are completely in a new age of football since the time where the Broncos helped devalue running backs. We're seeing the return of the lead back again.

Gurley
Bell
Elliott
Hunt
McCoy
Ingram
Howard
Gordon
Fournette
Hyde
Barkley
Henry
Penny
Michel
Chubb

At the same time though, I am very concerned with the new price point for running backs. I think the position has now gone too extreme in the opposite direction. I would trade Elliott before paying him 15 million a year... Get the picks and get someone younger. With the investments in the offensive line, we can justify spending that much on a running back.
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I think as defense have become leaner and faster in pass rush personnel the counter for offense is to go strong on OL and RB. Many pass rusher are not great run stoppers they make their living off getting off the edge and going after the QB. Good dose of power running can slow those pass rushers down
 
kazzd58 said:
Trade Elliott????? You are out of your mind for what???/ The cap is going up every year.. thats a walking 2000+ total yd 10+ tds every year back... Zeke aint no mediocore rb....

He changes your defensive scheme just being on the field.. The reason why Dakis gonna have 1 on 1 all season on th 1st snap of the game..... better look at the Big picture... Zeke is the best in the league bruh!

Trade Zeke yea right..........


i wonder do some cowboys fans really understand the game and how it works for everybody on the team... zeak effects the defense and special teams just for field position alone and rest....

Big picture... when we win Super Bowls we dont win just one we win in Bunches...

Zekes a smart strategic runner cant teach or coach that... thats Instincts and feel, that Melanin kickin in lol
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You can't play a player 15 million per year when his chances of playing 16 games a year are very small. Not to mention the percentage of downs he will play with plays off. Not with if you plan on paying all of these linemen.... You have to go back to the draft.
 
Galian Beast said:
You can't play a player 15 million per year when his chances of playing 16 games a year are very small. Not to mention the percentage of downs he will play with plays off. Not with if you plan on paying all of these linemen.... You have to go back to the draft.
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Why they pay WR who don't play 16 games that kind of money and do not touch the ball near as much
 
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