Safety tandem that strikes fear?

[Bullflop]

Wilcox is anything but a proven commodity at free safety as yet. Let's give him some much-needed time to prove himself before we consider jumping on his HOF bandwagon. Yes, he has upside but anything more than that remains to be seen.

 

[Future]

There is a huge difference between being modeled after Chancellor and Thomas and being able to play at that level.

Lots of teams try to do what Seattle does, only the Seahawks actually do it.

 

[Doc50]

There's been a lot of talk about Ahmad Dixon recently after his 597 tackle performance against San Diego the other night. That's one thing Dixon has always excelled at - lighting people up. He could display his talents because the DL and LBs were so bad, there were a lot of tackles to be made.

But Good Lord, he couldn't cover jobberone running around on the field wearing steel-toed boots.

That kind of player usually ends up being a player who is a ST demon. Good hitter - liability in coverage. But Dixon is better than just a ST demon. We could, possibly, if it all works out right (doubtful), have something special going on.

Kam Chancellor. Known as one of the most violent hitters in the NFL. He's what you would call a "tone setter", because he lets the offense know how it's gonna be.

Chancellor and Dixon are similar players. They both hit hard, they are both kind of slow (40 Times of 4.56/4.62), and both aren't very great against the pass.

Since Chancellor is such a sure tackler, and Pete Carroll's #1 priority is to stop the run, he is dropped inside to create an 8-man box quite frequently. But that leaves a lot of potential spaces for WRs to exploit. So how do they prevent that?

One way they do it is with a kid named Earl Thomas, and he's the best Safety in the NFL.

Thomas is an athlete. At 5'10, 210 lbs, he is a very fluid Safety who makes plays in the passing game. He can cover. He can read the QBs eyes well. He's what you want from a FS. That's why Chancellor can run around and light people up - he has someone who can make plays in the passing game. They're an excellent tandem. If only we had a guy like that.

Oh wait, we do.

Someone who ran the same 40 time. The same 10 yard dash time. He did a foot better in the broad jump. You know who I mean.

JJ Wilcox.

He's a fluid athlete. He can make plays in the passing game. He has instincts. He can keep up with and cover receivers. JJ Wilcox is what you want from a FS. He's lacking in experience, but he's getting better. He played well the other night, from the limited time we saw.

Do we have "that" tandem? Do we have the guy who can strike fear into offenses, makes plays in the running game, and the guy that makes it possible?

Someone, make me snap out of it. Because I believe we do.

Not yet, but I agree that Dixon and Wilcox have that potential. Realistically, I'm hoping we start to see it by November.

 

[TimHortons]

Not yet, but I agree that Dixon and Wilcox have that potential. Realistically, I'm hoping we start to see it by November.

I think that's a little optimistic. Wilcox is still only in his 2nd year, and he only played safety for 1 year in college (correct me if i'm wrong), so I don't think we should be expecting too much of him this year. Hopefully we can see some improved coverage skills, but we should still expect to see him get burnt a few times. Hoping to see him play like Earl Thomas by November is unrealistic IMO

 

[texbumthelife]

Wilcox could progress at a rate never seen before, for the next five years, and never sniff being in the same class as Earl Thomas because of one thing, instincts.

Instincts make a good safety great and a great safety a hall of famer. Earl Thomas has out of this world instincts combined with world class athleticism.

Wilcox may work his way into one of those categories eventually, but he will never inhabit both. Comparing anyone on this team to someone like Earl Thomas is an absolute mockery at this point. It's almost as bad as comparing Claiborne and Sherman.

 

[TheFinisher]

Chancellor and Dixon are similar players.

No, they're not. At all.

 

[gimmesix]

I'm about to get slammed for this.

I like Church, but I don't view him as a great SS like some people do. On a good defensive team, he would not be a starting SS. I commend him for the effort and heart he puts into it, though.

Won't slam you, but I believe Church could start for several teams. He's criminally underrated here because he plays on such a poor defense.

 

[TheDude]

Quit picking on @jobberone ...he might be old, but he is a rambling man.

What's Bob Seager doing nodding a cowboy board?

 

[Silver Surfer]

Safety Tandem that strikes fear? I like these two guys:

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[texbumthelife]

I'm about to get slammed for this.

I like Church, but I don't view him as a great SS like some people do. On a good defensive team, he would not be a starting SS. I commend him for the effort and heart he puts into it, though.

I won't slam you either, but I feel exactly the opposite. I feel on a better team where he could freelance and fly around a little bit more, blitz more, play in the box more, he would be even better and make the plays that would get him recognition on a more national level. As it is he is the best tackler, best DB and possibly the best defender on this defense. He had an amazing season last year that got totally lost in the disaster that was the rest of the defense. He is the only defender that earned his money last season.

 

[Wayne02]

Hoping to see him play like Earl Thomas at anytime in his career is unrealistic IMO

FIFY

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Everyone here also though we had WIllis/Bowman 2.0 last offseason.

Well, at least Lee/Carter showed that promise in 2012. Then Carter fell off the face of the earth.




YR

 

[texbumthelife]

Well, at least Lee/Carter showed that promise in 2012. Then Carter fell off the face of the earth.




YR

Roy Williams syndrome.

 

[TimHortons]

FIFY

That's probably closer to the truth. But we can hope/pray

 

[lostar2009]

I never had an issue with guys who couldn't cover to great. As long as they wasn't a complete liability.They stop the player as soon as he caught the ball or lite him up upon reception.

 

[d_dub88]

I for one would still like to get a glimpse at Church and Johnson together in the secondary.

 

[Doc50]

I think that's a little optimistic. Wilcox is still only in his 2nd year, and he only played safety for 1 year in college (correct me if i'm wrong), so I don't think we should be expecting too much of him this year. Hopefully we can see some improved coverage skills, but we should still expect to see him get burnt a few times. Hoping to see him play like Earl Thomas by November is unrealistic IMO

Start to see it.

The coaches believe he and Dixon have a shot, so we should see some flashes of that this year.

 

[TimHortons]

Start to see it.

The coaches believe he and Dixon have a shot, so we should see some flashes of that this year.

I think you're going to be sorely disappointed.

 

[xwalker]

X, just what are your thoughts on the two players?

Wilcox was terrific in one on one coverage against WRs at the 2013 senior bowl practices. I think he can be really good in time.

Heath should change his name to Anthony. Then we could call him almost Anthony. He almost made a lot of plays last season. He's fine as a 4th Safety and ST player.

 

[CCBoy]

Wilcox was terrific in one on one coverage against WRs at the 2013 senior bowl practices. I think he can be really good in time.

Heath should change his name to Anthony. Then we could call him almost Anthony. He almost made a lot of plays last season. He's fine as a 4th Safety and ST player.

Thanks for the share, X.

I don't think on that basis, he makes it as a special teamer. He's not close to top dog there.