Salaries and depth problems

[StarOfGlory]

It gets murky. In the NBA that happens, not so much in the NFL.

Sounds like in the NFL QBs ask for coaches more than other players. Some QBs ask for WR's.

I was going to say that NFL should cap the amount as stated above as "20% rule"...and owners can give any bonus amounts they want to QBs.

Mahomes contract length messes things up since he took a 10 year deal and can't get a new deal every 3 or 4 years.

So Mahomes average annual contract is going to look really small 7 years into it compared to current QB deals.

Just allow owners to give bonuses with no cap. So, if Mahomes is on a bad team but best player in the League...but all QBs are getting high contracts, the owner can make up for it in bonus money.

I understand it in the NBA, with only five guys on the court and a superstar having so much impact on the game. Take Jokic out of Denver and that team is garbage. Philly's record is crap without Embiid.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Do what the NHL does.

Percentage cap on max contracts per season

18 percent I believe

These are all fascinating ideas, from fans, but any change will have to have the support of the NFLPA. Any change must result in the players collectively getting more money than they currently receive. It will make it even more imperative a NFL franchise have the expertise to manage player compensation. The Dallas Cowboys already struggle with signing star players without needing more challenges.

Any idiot can get a player to sign simply by overpaying them. Unfortunately it’s one of those idiots who owns the Cowboys.

 

[Hadenough]

There was a time when teams could afford an injury to a star player unless it was an elite quarterback. There was depth. A team could have a linebacking corps with Ken Norton, Darrin Smith, Dixon Edwards, Godfrey Myles, Robert Jones, and others. A large group that could all play. A team could weather the season's battering.

Today is much different. Salaries have gotten so massive that a commitment to a single player hamstrings a team from creating such depth. About 90% of a team position allotment is taken by one guy.

Such enormous contracts are incredibly risky. An injury paralyzes a team because too many resources are tied into a single player. You can't fill the roster anymore with good mid-level players. These contracts force teams to go cheap and inexperienced unless a veteran will play for nothing. ,

Then there's the malaise players often get from having so much money at such a young age, their drive disappears. Trevon Diggs is a perfect example, but he's just one of many.

And of course, there's the "risk" players avoid when their big payday is coming. Micah Parsons has another year on his current deal, but if the Cowboys ask him to wait, he'll just "not feel right" all season as he manages his body until he gets his deal.

I'm as big of a capitalist as anybody, but in the NFL, with the nature of short careers and the physical wear and tear, the lottery salaries of today are ruining the sport. Players used to play hurt. A lot. Now, they're babying themselves, always with both eyes on their earning potential first and foremost. Never did Irvin, Emmitt, or Troy even consider thinking like that.

I'm growing toward the opinion that signing the Watts, Micah, Chase, Sauce, and CeeDee types is not the best move anymore. Outside of the elite quarterback, perhaps it's time to avoid those big deals.

Trade elite players while you can for more picks and players. Keep the roster deeper and more well-rounded, instead of dotting it with a few big-dollar names and a bunch of guys named Billy and Broderick that can't play.

Kansas City somewhat does this with Mahomes. New England did at times with Brady.

Micah is the name in question now, but perhaps a different strategy altogether is the way to go.

Good post! These salaries are a major problem. Especially the QB and not just Dak. The QBs are unlike any other player.
Thier all getting big money and it's killing the purpose of the salary cap which is to balance out the talent pool and make teams equal. So the teams who can't find a QB can be stronger paying other players and the teams with elite QBs having a weaker supporting cast. This isn't happening.

 

[Diehardblues]

There was a time when teams could afford an injury to a star player unless it was an elite quarterback. There was depth. A team could have a linebacking corps with Ken Norton, Darrin Smith, Dixon Edwards, Godfrey Myles, Robert Jones, and others. A large group that could all play. A team could weather the season's battering.

Today is much different. Salaries have gotten so massive that a commitment to a single player hamstrings a team from creating such depth. About 90% of a team position allotment is taken by one guy.

Such enormous contracts are incredibly risky. An injury paralyzes a team because too many resources are tied into a single player. You can't fill the roster anymore with good mid-level players. These contracts force teams to go cheap and inexperienced unless a veteran will play for nothing. ,

Then there's the malaise players often get from having so much money at such a young age, their drive disappears. Trevon Diggs is a perfect example, but he's just one of many.

And of course, there's the "risk" players avoid when their big payday is coming. Micah Parsons has another year on his current deal, but if the Cowboys ask him to wait, he'll just "not feel right" all season as he manages his body until he gets his deal.

I'm as big of a capitalist as anybody, but in the NFL, with the nature of short careers and the physical wear and tear, the lottery salaries of today are ruining the sport. Players used to play hurt. A lot. Now, they're babying themselves, always with both eyes on their earning potential first and foremost. Never did Irvin, Emmitt, or Troy even consider thinking like that.

I'm growing toward the opinion that signing the Watts, Micah, Chase, Sauce, and CeeDee types is not the best move anymore. Outside of the elite quarterback, perhaps it's time to avoid those big deals.

Trade elite players while you can for more picks and players. Keep the roster deeper and more well-rounded, instead of dotting it with a few big-dollar names and a bunch of guys named Billy and Broderick that can't play.

Kansas City somewhat does this with Mahomes. New England did at times with Brady.

Micah is the name in question now, but perhaps a different strategy altogether is the way to go.

Yep. The Salary Cap has watered down NFL rosters and weakened depth.

There’s ample revenue. They could begin with increasing rosters to 70-80. Theres 90-100 who are at TC. And stop mandating such a high minimum salary for 10 year veterans.


This is part of why if a veteran doesn’t start he’s usually released cause it’s cheaper to try and draft backups instead of having seasoned veterans on the bench. Back in the day we often had backups who could start for other teams. And why injuries weren’t as devastating.

But since the Salary Cap the NFL has become the only professional sports league where all franchises are in the black. Making money is more important than winning which isnt needed any longer to generate revenue.

Star players often generate and attract these fringe fans which continue being the target group the league is pursuing.QB’s of course often define the interest for these fringe fans and of course high profile positions. Fantasy football has made an impact as well how fans follow teams and players.

These Star athletes also dominate and drive jersey and merchandise sales along with fan interest.The NFL has obviously become a great example of the entertainment value. Unfortunately winning is all fans can usually get out of it unless they’re gambling. But everyone else with their hand in the NFL pie are reeking the benefits. No reason for them to change.

About 10% of the athletes are dominating the wages and they are the leading actors of the product the league is selling. Much like a television series or film. The leagues revenue is driven by TV revenue and ticket sales which they have locked up both.

And it continues to grow at record levels. Again why change. Just so diehard purist fans can see the teams build championship caliber dynasty teams. Sorry fans, those days have been over for decades. All that’s left is hopefully acquiring one of the best of these top paid QB’s who can carry less supported cast. And possibly have a couple other stars on Rooke contracts.

The real key to a consistent contender this era along with hitting on a QB, etc is drafting well year after year so you always have new stars emerging you’ll eventually lose or cost you more success if you retain them. Really can’t afford to miss on any early draft picks every year.

 

[Diehardblues]

The NFL is all about hitting big on a QB.

We haven’t that Brady or Mahomes this era. Really not anything close to it.

See how Wash in one season became a contender. Bengals another dormant team hits on a QB. Same story. They may not all be winning championship but they are getting there.

Unless you build a generational defense that’s basically it this era with few exceptions. We’ve had average to above average QB.s but not Elite. And then you have to keep them healthy.

It’s why we see teams take such chances reaching in 1st round and or trading away too much. It’s instant success if you hit.

 

[Diehardblues]

Jethro isn’t interested in hitting rock bottom in order to be in position to draft that next great QB. Plus there’s no guarantee you hit. He’s much more comfortable hanging around the rim. It’s an easier sell with a playoff contender .

He only knows how to sell one season at a time. There’s never a plan looking ahead. His focus is hyping each season. And a known quantity however mediocre is easier to promote. He can sell the hell out of 8-8 but not 5-11. He’ll worry about next year, next year.

It’s worked for him this era. He’s only hit rock bottom once this century. And he had to take a step back in a lesser role with Bill which Jethro isn’t comfortable with.

He wants to win but only his way. He’s very comfortable with status quo. Jethro Ball has been very successful for him despite the lack of more success in the playoffs. He’s fine with where we are. Cause he’s the man.