Salaries and depth problems

[erod]

There was a time when teams could afford an injury to a star player unless it was an elite quarterback. There was depth. A team could have a linebacking corps with Ken Norton, Darrin Smith, Dixon Edwards, Godfrey Myles, Robert Jones, and others. A large group that could all play. A team could weather the season's battering.

Today is much different. Salaries have gotten so massive that a commitment to a single player hamstrings a team from creating such depth. About 90% of a team position allotment is taken by one guy.

Such enormous contracts are incredibly risky. An injury paralyzes a team because too many resources are tied into a single player. You can't fill the roster anymore with good mid-level players. These contracts force teams to go cheap and inexperienced unless a veteran will play for nothing. ,

Then there's the malaise players often get from having so much money at such a young age, their drive disappears. Trevon Diggs is a perfect example, but he's just one of many.

And of course, there's the "risk" players avoid when their big payday is coming. Micah Parsons has another year on his current deal, but if the Cowboys ask him to wait, he'll just "not feel right" all season as he manages his body until he gets his deal.

I'm as big of a capitalist as anybody, but in the NFL, with the nature of short careers and the physical wear and tear, the lottery salaries of today are ruining the sport. Players used to play hurt. A lot. Now, they're babying themselves, always with both eyes on their earning potential first and foremost. Never did Irvin, Emmitt, or Troy even consider thinking like that.

I'm growing toward the opinion that signing the Watts, Micah, Chase, Sauce, and CeeDee types is not the best move anymore. Outside of the elite quarterback, perhaps it's time to avoid those big deals.

Trade elite players while you can for more picks and players. Keep the roster deeper and more well-rounded, instead of dotting it with a few big-dollar names and a bunch of guys named Billy and Broderick that can't play.

Kansas City somewhat does this with Mahomes. New England did at times with Brady.

Micah is the name in question now, but perhaps a different strategy altogether is the way to go.

 

[Coogiguy03]

They need to rethink the salary cap scale, with the TV money that comes in, they'll forever have the cash which will end up allowing for such massive deals

 

[Bobhaze]

There was a time when teams could afford an injury to a star player unless it was an elite quarterback. There was depth. A team could have a linebacking corps with Ken Norton, Darrin Smith, Dixon Edwards, Godfrey Myles, Robert Jones, and others. A large group that could all play. A team could weather the season's battering.

Today is much different. Salaries have gotten so massive that a commitment to a single player hamstrings a team from creating such depth. About 90% of a team position allotment is taken by one guy.

Such enormous contracts are incredibly risky. An injury paralyzes a team because too many resources are tied into a single player. You can't fill the roster anymore with good mid-level players. These contracts force teams to go cheap and inexperienced unless a veteran will play for nothing. ,

Then there's the malaise players often get from having so much money at such a young age, their drive disappears. Trevon Diggs is a perfect example, but he's just one of many.

And of course, there's the "risk" players avoid when their big payday is coming. Micah Parsons has another year on his current deal, but if the Cowboys ask him to wait, he'll just "not feel right" all season as he manages his body until he gets his deal.

I'm as big of a capitalist as anybody, but in the NFL, with the nature of short careers and the physical wear and tear, the lottery salaries of today are ruining the sport. Players used to play hurt. A lot. Now, they're babying themselves, always with both eyes on their earning potential first and foremost. Never did Irvin, Emmitt, or Troy even consider thinking like that.

I'm growing toward the opinion that signing the Watts, Micah, Chase, Sauce, and CeeDee types is not the best move anymore. Outside of the elite quarterback, perhaps it's time to avoid those big deals.

Trade elite players while you can for more picks and players. Keep the roster deeper and more well-rounded, instead of dotting it with a few big-dollar names and a bunch of guys named Billy and Broderick that can't play.

Kansas City somewhat does this with Mahomes. New England did at times with Brady.

Micah is the name in question now, but perhaps a different strategy altogether is the way to go.

Excellent post Erod. Unfortunately I don’t think our front office “brain trust” has the creativity of thought to even conceive this.

 

[Kwyn]

There was a time when teams could afford an injury to a star player unless it was an elite quarterback. There was depth. A team could have a linebacking corps with Ken Norton, Darrin Smith, Dixon Edwards, Godfrey Myles, Robert Jones, and others. A large group that could all play. A team could weather the season's battering.

Today is much different. Salaries have gotten so massive that a commitment to a single player hamstrings a team from creating such depth. About 90% of a team position allotment is taken by one guy.

Such enormous contracts are incredibly risky. An injury paralyzes a team because too many resources are tied into a single player. You can't fill the roster anymore with good mid-level players. These contracts force teams to go cheap and inexperienced unless a veteran will play for nothing. ,

Then there's the malaise players often get from having so much money at such a young age, their drive disappears. Trevon Diggs is a perfect example, but he's just one of many.

And of course, there's the "risk" players avoid when their big payday is coming. Micah Parsons has another year on his current deal, but if the Cowboys ask him to wait, he'll just "not feel right" all season as he manages his body until he gets his deal.

I'm as big of a capitalist as anybody, but in the NFL, with the nature of short careers and the physical wear and tear, the lottery salaries of today are ruining the sport. Players used to play hurt. A lot. Now, they're babying themselves, always with both eyes on their earning potential first and foremost. Never did Irvin, Emmitt, or Troy even consider thinking like that.

I'm growing toward the opinion that signing the Watts, Micah, Chase, Sauce, and CeeDee types is not the best move anymore. Outside of the elite quarterback, perhaps it's time to avoid those big deals.

Trade elite players while you can for more picks and players. Keep the roster deeper and more well-rounded, instead of dotting it with a few big-dollar names and a bunch of guys named Billy and Broderick that can't play.

Kansas City somewhat does this with Mahomes. New England did at times with Brady.

Micah is the name in question now, but perhaps a different strategy altogether is the way to go.

We do have $34m available right now

 

[kskboys]

There was a time when teams could afford an injury to a star player unless it was an elite quarterback. There was depth. A team could have a linebacking corps with Ken Norton, Darrin Smith, Dixon Edwards, Godfrey Myles, Robert Jones, and others. A large group that could all play. A team could weather the season's battering.

Today is much different. Salaries have gotten so massive that a commitment to a single player hamstrings a team from creating such depth. About 90% of a team position allotment is taken by one guy.

Such enormous contracts are incredibly risky. An injury paralyzes a team because too many resources are tied into a single player. You can't fill the roster anymore with good mid-level players. These contracts force teams to go cheap and inexperienced unless a veteran will play for nothing. ,

Then there's the malaise players often get from having so much money at such a young age, their drive disappears. Trevon Diggs is a perfect example, but he's just one of many.

And of course, there's the "risk" players avoid when their big payday is coming. Micah Parsons has another year on his current deal, but if the Cowboys ask him to wait, he'll just "not feel right" all season as he manages his body until he gets his deal.

I'm as big of a capitalist as anybody, but in the NFL, with the nature of short careers and the physical wear and tear, the lottery salaries of today are ruining the sport. Players used to play hurt. A lot. Now, they're babying themselves, always with both eyes on their earning potential first and foremost. Never did Irvin, Emmitt, or Troy even consider thinking like that.

I'm growing toward the opinion that signing the Watts, Micah, Chase, Sauce, and CeeDee types is not the best move anymore. Outside of the elite quarterback, perhaps it's time to avoid those big deals.

Trade elite players while you can for more picks and players. Keep the roster deeper and more well-rounded, instead of dotting it with a few big-dollar names and a bunch of guys named Billy and Broderick that can't play.

Kansas City somewhat does this with Mahomes. New England did at times with Brady.

Micah is the name in question now, but perhaps a different strategy altogether is the way to go.

Cincy definitely agrees w/ you.

 

[erod]

We do have $34m available right now

That's how much CeeDee makes per year. That's the point.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

There was a time when teams could afford an injury to a star player unless it was an elite quarterback. There was depth...

Great post. Depth is underrated. It's extremely risky to pay too much money to one player (QB excepted). One injury away from negating a huge percentage of the cap.

 

[Teague31]

Stars and scrubs

 

[Gambit]

Great post. Depth is underrated. It's extremely risky to pay too much money to one player (QB excepted). One injury away from negating a huge percentage of the cap.

Which is Jerry's biggest pet peeve if you listen to him.

And it's not simply the cap number that bothers him, it's the guarantees.

This will be a growing issue league wide. We saw 2nd round picks hold out for that nearly across the board this season. How long til 7th rounders start demanding it?

Add in many of these kids make more in NIL money than they do on 1st contracts.

 

[calicowboy54]

There was a time when teams could afford an injury to a star player unless it was an elite quarterback. There was depth. A team could have a linebacking corps with Ken Norton, Darrin Smith, Dixon Edwards, Godfrey Myles, Robert Jones, and others. A large group that could all play. A team could weather the season's battering.

Today is much different. Salaries have gotten so massive that a commitment to a single player hamstrings a team from creating such depth. About 90% of a team position allotment is taken by one guy.

Such enormous contracts are incredibly risky. An injury paralyzes a team because too many resources are tied into a single player. You can't fill the roster anymore with good mid-level players. These contracts force teams to go cheap and inexperienced unless a veteran will play for nothing. ,

Then there's the malaise players often get from having so much money at such a young age, their drive disappears. Trevon Diggs is a perfect example, but he's just one of many.

And of course, there's the "risk" players avoid when their big payday is coming. Micah Parsons has another year on his current deal, but if the Cowboys ask him to wait, he'll just "not feel right" all season as he manages his body until he gets his deal.

I'm as big of a capitalist as anybody, but in the NFL, with the nature of short careers and the physical wear and tear, the lottery salaries of today are ruining the sport. Players used to play hurt. A lot. Now, they're babying themselves, always with both eyes on their earning potential first and foremost. Never did Irvin, Emmitt, or Troy even consider thinking like that.

I'm growing toward the opinion that signing the Watts, Micah, Chase, Sauce, and CeeDee types is not the best move anymore. Outside of the elite quarterback, perhaps it's time to avoid those big deals.

Trade elite players while you can for more picks and players. Keep the roster deeper and more well-rounded, instead of dotting it with a few big-dollar names and a bunch of guys named Billy and Broderick that can't play.

Kansas City somewhat does this with Mahomes. New England did at times with Brady.

Micah is the name in question now, but perhaps a different strategy altogether is the way to go.

they need to do like NBA with max salary players and you can have a max of 3 and you can have x Number of mid-level and you can have luxury tax that goes back in to the pool for other lower level teams.

 

[StarBoyz83]

That's how much CeeDee makes per year. That's the point.

This is why Pickens will be a one year rental. although it'll be fun to watch its pointless for dallas basically.

 

[Praxit]

...for sure it's rock n hard place. Reality, also mentioned a good point.

Maybe they cant afford Parsons or dont want to sign just yet. Maybe he'll crack for cheaper, just to play in 25'.

A scenario comes to mind. Say for some reason Dallas goes deep into post season. Pickens without a doubt would have made huge impact.

He's going to want his cheddar, same with others. Inking Parson's changes the atmosphere going into 26'.

Now you have winning team, but not enough milk to go around.

 

[gtb1943]

they need to do like NBA with max salary players and you can have a max of 3 and you can have x Number of mid-level and you can have luxury tax that goes back in to the pool for other lower level teams.

there has been a suggestion out there that each team can pick one player a year to not be part of the salary cap

 

[FanofJerry]

they need to do like NBA with max salary players and you can have a max of 3 and you can have x Number of mid-level and you can have luxury tax that goes back in to the pool for other lower level teams.

The issue is with the QB market, and the argument and conversation is way beyond played out and milked.

Make a simple rule that only one player per team can be on what we will call the "20% rule".

Every team will allocate that spot for its QB.

The 20% rule is based on the players average salary over the length of contract compared against the NFL cap in the season the player signed his contract.

Owners can give bonuses up to 5% of the current years cap out of their own pocket

No need to complicate the discussion with guaranteed amounts and bonus amounts...just amend the rules to make the contract terms for QBs to fit easily into the 20% rule.

It would sure make sports boards alot better than having 200 threads a day complaining about qb salary.

The 5% is where teams can negotiate with the player "josh(allen), we are pleased to have you. We want you here. But Patrick Mahomes is winning super bowl after super bowl and performing at high levels. Lifting his offense. You do that to. But we an give you a 5% bonus this year because you didn't win the Super Bowl. 3.5% is what you deserve for being one of the best QBs in the game. You'll get that full 5% when you win the Super Bowl"

 

[Kwyn]

That's how much CeeDee makes per year. That's the point.

So, why didn’t we go out and spend it?

I’m tried of hearing about these “greedy players” not taking hometown discounts when the front office doesn’t even spend the cap room they have available.

I mean, that seems like a pretty glaring oversight but Zoners just blow right past it and say that every new guy due for a contract is greedy

Well, Ferguson, being paid 7th highest in the entire league despite being average, *at best*, got thumbs up from everyone around here.

And Zach Martin holding out of almost the entire training camp while under contract, only to come back with a shiny new extension and bonus only to be average, *at best*, his last two years. Well, they were screaming “just pay the man!!!” the entire time he was holding out.

But CeeDee, Zeke, Micah, Diggs, soon to be Bland. Time for them to get paid and everyone is crying real tears about the salary cap and how the greedy, poisonous, bigmouth players don’t want to win.

 

[KingCorcoran]

The issue is with the QB market, and the argument and conversation is way beyond played out and milked.

Make a simple rule that only one player per team can be on what we will call the "20% rule".

Every team will allocate that spot for its QB.

The 20% rule is based on the players average salary over the length of contract compared against the NFL cap in the season the player signed his contract.

Owners can give bonuses up to 5% of the current years cap out of their own pocket

No need to complicate the discussion with guaranteed amounts and bonus amounts...just amend the rules to make the contract terms for QBs to fit easily into the 20% rule.

It would sure make sports boards alot better than having 200 threads a day complaining about qb salary.

The 5% is where teams can negotiate with the player "josh(allen), we are pleased to have you. We want you here. But Patrick Mahomes is winning super bowl after super bowl and performing at high levels. Lifting his offense. You do that to. But we an give you a 5% bonus this year because you didn't win the Super Bowl. 3.5% is what you deserve for being one of the best QBs in the game. You'll get that full 5% when you win the Super Bowl"

Since the quarterback’s compensation would be contingent on the performance of the entire team does the quarterback get a say in who the team does and does not sign to be his teammates?

 

[Pass2Run]

This is why Pickens will be a one year rental. although it'll be fun to watch its pointless for dallas basically.

They should sign Pickens. I think they ultimately do sign him.

 

[big dog cowboy]

They should sign Pickens. I think they ultimately do sign him.

It's either give him a new deal or spend a high draft pick on a WR next April.

Lord knows there will be plenty of positions that could use a 1st round talent so Pickens likely gets a new deal.

 

[coult44]

There was a time when teams could afford an injury to a star player unless it was an elite quarterback. There was depth. A team could have a linebacking corps with Ken Norton, Darrin Smith, Dixon Edwards, Godfrey Myles, Robert Jones, and others. A large group that could all play. A team could weather the season's battering.

Today is much different. Salaries have gotten so massive that a commitment to a single player hamstrings a team from creating such depth. About 90% of a team position allotment is taken by one guy.

Such enormous contracts are incredibly risky. An injury paralyzes a team because too many resources are tied into a single player. You can't fill the roster anymore with good mid-level players. These contracts force teams to go cheap and inexperienced unless a veteran will play for nothing. ,

Then there's the malaise players often get from having so much money at such a young age, their drive disappears. Trevon Diggs is a perfect example, but he's just one of many.

And of course, there's the "risk" players avoid when their big payday is coming. Micah Parsons has another year on his current deal, but if the Cowboys ask him to wait, he'll just "not feel right" all season as he manages his body until he gets his deal.

I'm as big of a capitalist as anybody, but in the NFL, with the nature of short careers and the physical wear and tear, the lottery salaries of today are ruining the sport. Players used to play hurt. A lot. Now, they're babying themselves, always with both eyes on their earning potential first and foremost. Never did Irvin, Emmitt, or Troy even consider thinking like that.

I'm growing toward the opinion that signing the Watts, Micah, Chase, Sauce, and CeeDee types is not the best move anymore. Outside of the elite quarterback, perhaps it's time to avoid those big deals.

Trade elite players while you can for more picks and players. Keep the roster deeper and more well-rounded, instead of dotting it with a few big-dollar names and a bunch of guys named Billy and Broderick that can't play.

Kansas City somewhat does this with Mahomes. New England did at times with Brady.

Micah is the name in question now, but perhaps a different strategy altogether is the way to go.

Thank God every single team has the same problem

 

[FanofJerry]

Since the quarterback’s compensation would be contingent on the performance of the entire team does the quarterback get a say in who the team does and does not sign to be his teammates?

It gets murky. In the NBA that happens, not so much in the NFL.

Sounds like in the NFL QBs ask for coaches more than other players. Some QBs ask for WR's.

I was going to say that NFL should cap the amount as stated above as "20% rule"...and owners can give any bonus amounts they want to QBs.

Mahomes contract length messes things up since he took a 10 year deal and can't get a new deal every 3 or 4 years.

So Mahomes average annual contract is going to look really small 7 years into it compared to current QB deals.

Just allow owners to give bonuses with no cap. So, if Mahomes is on a bad team but best player in the League...but all QBs are getting high contracts, the owner can make up for it in bonus money.