Sam Montgomery?

BAZ said:
I have a hard time imagining they are friendly.
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I don't, but in that scenario, Garrett has Wes get the intel. One way or another, a head coach has to get that info to make a decision on this. We don't know what happened with what has been said in the media.
 
I have no problem with bringing in guys who may have had an issue or two at one time.

This one, with Sam Montgomery, is entirely different.

If, as a player, you are caught on a road trip smoking marijuana before a game, it tells me one of two things about you:
  1. You have a drug problem that you can't control.
  2. You are incredibly stupid.
Neither quality is one that I would want in a player.
 
BAZ said:
I have a hard time imagining they are friendly.
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I have a hard time believing they are not. For starters, Wade just isn't that type of guy. If he were, he may have had more success here. And second, his son is still employed by the staff. He's not held hostage, and clearly could've left at any moment, so there's no reason to believe they aren't friendly enough to provide info on a player Houston clearly doesn't want.
 
Nirvana said:
I don't, but in that scenario, Garrett has Wes get the intel. One way or another, a head coach has to get that info to make a decision on this. We don't know what happened with what has been said in the media.
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Manwiththeplan said:
I have a hard time believing they are not. For starters, Wade just isn't that type of guy. If he were, he may have had more success here. And second, his son is still employed by the staff. He's not held hostage, and clearly could've left at any moment, so there's no reason to believe they aren't friendly enough to provide info on a player Houston clearly doesn't want.
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But Garrett was holding back on the playbook until Wade was S-canned....

I'm sure the would be cordial to each other, but friendly...I have a had time imagining.
 
BAZ said:
But Garrett was holding back on the playbook until Wade was S-canned....

I'm sure the would be cordial to each other, but friendly...I have a had time imagining.
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Hope you don't actually buy into that. We experienced the same bump that most teams get from firing their coach, and continued to have the same struggles we had prior to Wade's firing. Just recently it's looking like we are a better redzone team, but it's hard to blame Garrett for the ineptitude of Felix Jones, Roy Williams and an offensive line that did nothing but struggle after they were jettisoned from here.
 
HeavyBarrel said:
Loafing can contagious, just like enthusiasium, loafing in the NFL happens but should not be tolerated
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yea, why do people only think good attitudes are contagious? I'm all for taking risks, George Selvie was a guy that had very little risk associated with him. He was also very likely to buy in. Marvin Austin represents a little more risk, despite not costing anything more. The more Austin contributes, the harder it is to reign in a guy with a questionable work ethic. If after establishing himself as a core rotation guy, he begins to rely more on his talent and less on hard work, you're foolish to think it's as simple as cut him. Now due to him being released by two teams, I think Austin is likely to buy in, and at the very least begin playing for a contract (we still hold his rights for like 2 seasons I think).

My problem with Montgomery is, we are adding another guy with a questionable work ethic to the rotation, which could effect the younger guys. I don't think Ware and Hatcher will be impacted, but guys like Nevis, Austin and Selvie could revert to old habbits if Montgomery comes in, contributes, but didn't change his attitude.
 
Are there any cases of guys having this little of a work ethic, turning things around? Serious question. It seems like the players that has this much of history of being lazy never works out. They are usually lazy their whole career, which seems to be short.
 
Galian Beast said:
I'm sorry, but I think that is silly. These are grown men who are focused on their career. Montgomery loafing (assuming he would) wouldn't make other players who are motivated loaf. This isn't a high school or even a college football team.
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I disagree. Too much we don't know about him, and what we do know surely seems only the half of it.

We all infect others, either positively or negatively in how we carry ourselves. We just got rid of a guy like that at work. One single guy with toxicity ruins the environment even for people not on his shift. It just creates an unhealthy, unproductive and uneasy atmosphere...it cheapens the opinions and lowers the attitude of others who might otherwise be content and happy with their jobs. He was posted up and there are more reasons than just cigars in a hotel room for why he was put on the first thing smokin' out of Houston. Kubiak seems like a no-nonsense type guy and I wonder what else we will hear about this.

Work ethic tells more about a player than his perceived talent level. Many of the more talented guys get by on said talent because they are so much better at the college level. They learn that their talent buys them leniency, the benefit of the doubt, special treatment. It does not serve them well as professionals. There will always be guys that have to be looked after, and for a while I thought that Dez might be one, but he has learned that talent only gets you through the door in the NFL.


"I won't discuss team rules & those types of things, but I make decisions based on a body of work in everything I do," Kubiak said. #Texans
 
jnday said:
Are there any cases of guys having this little of a work ethic, turning things around? Serious question. It seems like the players that has this much of history of being lazy never works out. They are usually lazy their whole career, which seems to be short.
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I think that players who don't have work ethic are usually hidden unless something bad happens. I don't really think we would've found out about Sam unless he got cut.

You can look at athletes throughout history that weren't known to be workout warriors from Babe Ruth to Charles Barkley who lived on their god given talent. As long as they produce, the work ethic isn't an issue....but as soon as things go badly it is brought up as an excuse. Can they turn it around, probably takes a life changing experience for that to happen, like being cut from a team. Is Sam at that cross-roads, who knows.
 
The guy passed his drug test, so he was not smoking weed in the Hotel. The story is that he walked in on some players who were and its the whole "guilt by association" thing.

Now with that being said, I think he does have some motivational problems or simply stated, the dude is lazy.

I say bring him in for a workout and let Kiffen have a nice conversation with him. He then either changes his attitude or he gets a bus ticket. Either way, not much downside I see. And for those that say if he is lazy it will wear off on the team. I dont buy that argument because if he is caught loafing, you send him to the waiver wire. That is the kind of message the rest of the team gets. You want to go half-arse in practice.............clean out your locker.
 
Deep_Freeze said:
I think that players who don't have work ethic are usually hidden unless something bad happens. I don't really think we would've found out about Sam unless he got cut.

You can look at athletes throughout history that weren't known to be workout warriors from Babe Ruth to Charles Barkley who lived on their god given talent. As long as they produce, the work ethic isn't an issue....but as soon as things go badly it is brought up as an excuse. Can they turn it around, probably takes a life changing experience for that to happen, like being cut from a team. Is Sam at that cross-roads, who knows.
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It goes back to Sam's college days. He has a very bad reputation from his LSU days.
 
jnday said:
It goes back to Sam's college days. He has a very bad reputation from his LSU days.
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If so, it will be difficult for a change to happen unless a life changing event occurs. That differs for each person, some a small cut in income will cause them to change while others have to live on the streets to see it. Just has to be evaluated on a person by person basis.

But yes, those guys can change too.
 
rkell87 said:
http://fansided.com/2013/10/23/sam-...s-texans-release-allegedly-smoking-marijuana/

montgomery passed his drug test, that change anything for any of you?
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No. Did an agent of the lab physically watch him urinate in a cup? No, they didn't. So I don't care. Plenty of college athletes substitute urine and I have no problems believing a guy trying to salvage millions of dollars and a career in the NFL didn't do the same.

If anyone actually believes this guy was cut because he happened to walk into a room with guys smoking a blunt then they're just naive. A team isn't going to cut a high round draft pick because he was a victim of circumstance. This was probably his 3rd, 4th, or 5th violation and just happened to the be the last straw. I'm also guessing it wasn't his first with weed.

The guy is a loaf, has been a loaf his entire athletic career as evidenced by his college coach warning scouts against him, and probably will continue to be a loaf until he actually has to support himself bagging groceries for a bit. His continued denial of his wrongdoing is evidence that he still thinks he's smarter than everyone else and until he mans up and admitted he was an idiot then I doubt any team is going to waste any time on him.
 
so, we just signed Austin...a big potential guy that hasn't worked out yet...he get's his chance now....adding Montgomery at the same time worries me...if Monty is truly lazy, a pot-smoker, etc. AND Austin sees him getting a pass while they both potentially work their way into a rotation, then it is much harder to control TWO of them at the same time...one bad egg can be managed by the team, coaches etc, or they get jettisoned...having two at the same time is more risk....I want to see Austin perform before I add Montgomery (and I liked him in the draft).
 
Fredd said:
so, we just signed Austin...a big potential guy that hasn't worked out yet...he get's his chance now....adding Montgomery at the same time worries me...if Monty is truly lazy, a pot-smoker, etc. AND Austin sees him getting a pass while they both potentially work their way into a rotation, then it is much harder to control TWO of them at the same time...one bad egg can be managed by the team, coaches etc, or they get jettisoned...having two at the same time is more risk....I want to see Austin perform before I add Montgomery (and I liked him in the draft).
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True. That said, one quick way to get to him is burying him on the depth chart. Montgomery knows his value is already low, his stock would be 0 after that.

Besides, we have great leaders in the locker room when it comes to work ethic.
 
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