Sam Young

[Bob Sacamano]

I've watched the Naval Academy play for a better part of a decade now. Those guys "on a sub" are bonafide Division I athletes. Do not get it twisted.

Cringing all the while through the last half of it, I'm sure. :

Navy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Army

 

[Marcuz]

Sam suffered from the Charlie Weis strength and conditioning program or lack thereof. The current notre dame players are finally getting their butts kicked in the weight room for the first time in years working under Paul Longo.

No doubt Young will benefit from being amongst some professional athletes, then again it didnt help JaMarcus Russell.

 

[burmafrd]

I never said Quinn would be a great pro; I said he had not gotten a real chance in the mess that was Cleveland. We will see how well he does in Denver. If he does not make it there then he is a bust. But Young NEVER looked anywhere as good in college as Quinn did; his four years were four of the worst years of O line play ND has ever had. And more stength and conditioning will not make up for slow and awkward feet.

 

[Plankton]

Why if that player may potentially be a starter one day at one position?

That's like saying you wouldn't have wanted Anthony Spencer before he became a starter because he can only play outside linebacker and not inside linebacker.

Different story. Spencer could play L or ROLB. Young can't play either side. For a bench player, I would rather have position flexibility.

I also think his physical limitations (slow feet) will make him a marginal player at best.

 

[casmith07]

Cringing all the while through the last half of it, I'm sure. :

Navy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Army

The last time Army won was 2001.

 

[dbair1967]

Different story. Spencer could play L or ROLB. Young can't play either side. For a bench player, I would rather have position flexibility.

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You know this how exactly?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Sam suffered from the Charlie Weis strength and conditioning program or lack thereof. The current notre dame players are finally getting their butts kicked in the weight room for the first time in years working under Paul Longo.

Can you explain this a little? I'd have thought Weis would've been a disciple of Big Bill's love of good old fashioned barbell training.

 

[Marcuz]

Can you explain this a little? I'd have thought Weis would've been a disciple of Big Bill's love of good old fashioned barbell training.

Weis was more "Work as hard as you want to" rather than "Work as hard as i tell you to." A lot of ND players coasted by on the bare minimum becuase nobody pushed them, now under Coach Kelly they are finally all working their collective butts off.

Sam at the combine was shown to be soft with no muscle definition, better conditioning might not help slow feet but it does improve strength and fitness. The ability to compete on long drives is very important, and if you're blowing up quick defenses will make you pay.

 

[burmafrd]

There is no cure for slow feet. If he sticks as a backup I will be amazed.

 

[Plankton]

You know this how exactly?

From watching four years of play at Notre Dame, and watching him take numerous stupid penalties and consistently having problems with speed rushers. His second year, Notre Dame played him at LT, and he struggled so badly, they moved him back to RT for the rest of his Notre Dame career, and started Paul Duncan in his place, who was a turnstile.

I'll make sure next time to check with you before voicing my opinion.

 

[dbair1967]

From watching four years of play at Notre Dame, and watching him take numerous stupid penalties and consistently having problems with speed rushers. His second year, Notre Dame played him at LT, and he struggled so badly, they moved him back to RT for the rest of his Notre Dame career, and started Paul Duncan in his place, who was a turnstile.

I'll make sure next time to check with you before voicing my opinion.

If he were half as bad as you and a couple others opined, they'd have benched him altogether.

I only saw a few of their games the past few years and the entire team struggled from lack of talent and poor coaching. I doubt very seriously that their poor play was the result of one guy we chose in the 6th rd of the draft.

If he'd had been an early draft choice, I'd say it was a highly questionable pick. But the fact is some scouting services did have the guy rated fairly high after his JR year. He's a 6th rd pick who was a 4yr starter at a major program. Draft history the last 8-10 years is littered with guys like Young who seemed flawed from a pure talent standpoint, but worked hard and became capable NFL players. Some of these guys chosen in the 6th/7th rounds like Young have not only becomes starters but did so at a very early time in their career. I'm not saying he will, but to completely write the guy off before he's had a chance to develop and be coached up is rather lame too. He wasnt drafted to come in and contribute immediately, he was drafted because they thought he'd be a decent developmental guy who could the likes of Pat McQuistan for a roster spot.

 

[NeonDeion21]

There is no cure for slow feet. If he sticks as a backup I will be amazed.

He will make this roster, and if he doesn't for some odd reason, he will catch on to someone's 53. His biggest problem is not his slow feet because he can make up with that with his strength, like our RT. What will hurt him the most is the ability not to be able to play multiple positions unlike Brewster. The guy has ability, don't act like he is just some scrub like some of the other lineman we have had in here.

 

[AbeBeta]

he makes the roster b/c we drafted him.... ultimately, the tape will show that McQ played better but he's a developmental choice so he should get the year or two inactive that he deserves.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Let's face it, you guys can argue back and forth but none of us know how Young will pan out, if at all. Coaching and a tough conditioning program could turn him into a good player. MANY NFL players, especially OL, were lower round draft choices that blossomed into good players. Will Young? I don't know and neither do any of you guys. Speculate all you want, but in the end that's all you're doing.

 

[Plankton]

If he were half as bad as you and a couple others opined, they'd have benched him altogether.

Believe me, there was no one better on the Notre Dame roster behind him. Benching him was not a viable option.

I only saw a few of their games the past few years and the entire team struggled from lack of talent and poor coaching. I doubt very seriously that their poor play was the result of one guy we chose in the 6th rd of the draft.

Now there's a leap. Nowhere in any post was Sam Young blamed for the poor play of Notre Dame. All I highlighted was the fact that he has some physical and positional limitations that are going to hamper his ability to succeed in the NFL.

If he'd had been an early draft choice, I'd say it was a highly questionable pick. But the fact is some scouting services did have the guy rated fairly high after his JR year. He's a 6th rd pick who was a 4yr starter at a major program. Draft history the last 8-10 years is littered with guys like Young who seemed flawed from a pure talent standpoint, but worked hard and became capable NFL players. Some of these guys chosen in the 6th/7th rounds like Young have not only becomes starters but did so at a very early time in their career. I'm not saying he will, but to completely write the guy off before he's had a chance to develop and be coached up is rather lame too. He wasnt drafted to come in and contribute immediately, he was drafted because they thought he'd be a decent developmental guy who could the likes of Pat McQuistan for a roster spot.

My feeling is that he isn't a great developmental prospect or someone worth tying up a roster spot for because he is too tall for guard, and his feet are too slow for LT. Having a backup offensive lineman that is only capable of playing one position is a waste of a roster spot. Positional flexibility is key, and when the Cowboys already are carrying a long-snapper who doesn't play another position, a third QB who likely will not see the field, and may need to carry two kickers again, they can't afford to hold a roster spot for someone who offers litttle positional flexibility.

 

[burmafrd]

I have watched Every ND game for years and he never looked good. Slow feet is a killer for a tackle; nothing you can do about it. He MIGHT make a decent backup- that is his extreme UPSIDE.

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

Right Tackles don't need exceptionally quick feet. In fact, if they had them, they'd be playing Left Tackle and making more money.

 

[Alexander]

Wasn't Young the top rated tackle recruit coming out of high school? There's got to be a reason for that.

How many HS top recruits do you see keep that rating from college to the pros? Very few.

Young has some legitimate limitations, specifically with his balance and agility that will be issues on the professional level. Does that mean he is a bum? No, but it does mean we cannot pretend he was some sort of hidden gem that had no business going where he went. That does not mean he's going to be a failure or bust. I am sure he has enough toughness, smarts and strength to at least stick as a backup.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

he makes the roster b/c we drafted him.... ultimately, the tape will show that McQ played better but he's a developmental choice so he should get the year or two inactive that he deserves.

I doubt it. last year we drafted a bunch in the 5th, 6th and 7th who didn't make the team. ultimately it comes down to young playing.

I thinkhe is destined for PS, he is smart player that doesn't have much athletic ability. unlike McQ who is athletic but ain't very smart and just doesn't get it.

 

[AbeBeta]

I doubt it. last year we drafted a bunch in the 5th, 6th and 7th who didn't make the team. ultimately it comes down to young playing.

I thinkhe is destined for PS, he is smart player that doesn't have much athletic ability. unlike McQ who is athletic but ain't very smart and just doesn't get it.

last year we also drafted about a million players. that's why we cut a bunch