Same ole Parcells

[Hostile]

Yeagh - Parcells did not improve the roster from what he inherited in 2003 in Dallas? Stop it!

Miami won how many games last year? With an aging undersized DE/OLB that is more interested in TV than OFF SEASON PROGRAMS? Not to mention cold to the 3-4.

And Ireland/Tuna get a #2 for him? Brilliant football move

How are they reacting on the Dolphins website?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Sometimes I really wonder about people.

Do they really think Big Bill is doing all of this evil plans to get back at Jerry so he traded JT to the Skins?

And if you do, I feel for you.

Bill made the best trade he could get...end of story.

Geez

 

[Boysboy]

Yeagh - Parcells did not improve the roster from what he inherited in 2003 in Dallas? Stop it!

Miami won how many games last year? With an aging undersized DE/OLB that is more interested in TV than OFF SEASON PROGRAMS? Not to mention cold to the 3-4.

And Ireland/Tuna get a #2 for him? Brilliant football move

Improved, yes. But not THAT much.

His stubbornness was his downfall-i.e. sticking with 40 year old QBs too long, sticking with Keith Davis at FS too long, etc, etc.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Improved, yes. But not THAT much.

His stubbornness was his downfall-i.e. sticking with 40 year old QBs too long, sticking with Keith Davis at FS too long, etc, etc.

Stay off the drugs.

Like Bill or Hate Bill he made this team TONS better.

NIGHT AND DAY difference in talent from what we had.

Sure he had gaffs and screw ups but to say not THAT much is incredibly silly.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Bill has pretty much been dangling Taylor all offseason. 31 teams initially turned up their nose at the asking price. Finally one caved in on a panic move and gave Bill what the 30 other teams evidently thought was a ridiculous price .... and Parcells got hosed? This is typical of the genius deductive logic I've come to expect on Parcells threads on this board over the last year.

Not only are you claiming that Vinny Cerrato and Danny Snyder outsmarted a no-brainer first ballot Hall of Famer, you're also claiming that they outsmarted 30 other NFL G.M.'s who had the same offer presented to them and turned it down.

You have a lot higher opinion of Vinny Cerrato and Danny Snyder than I do.

 

[CATCH17]

Yeagh - Parcells did not improve the roster from what he inherited in 2003 in Dallas? Stop it!

Miami won how many games last year? With an aging undersized DE/OLB that is more interested in TV than OFF SEASON PROGRAMS? Not to mention cold to the 3-4.

And Ireland/Tuna get a #2 for him? Brilliant football move

2nd that.

Tuna made the perfect move at the perfect time.

It just sucks that he went to the skins but its not like its a longterm headache or anything.

Now if he would have gone to the Giants id be ultra mad but not @ the Dolphins for getting a 2nd for a guy who said he had 1 more year in Miami left in him.

Stay off the drugs.

Like Bill or Hate Bill he made this team TONS better.

NIGHT AND DAY difference in talent from what we had.

Sure he had gaffs and screw ups but to say not THAT much is incredibly silly.

2nd that too

Bill Parcells brought meaningful football and legit talent back to Dallas. How anyone can just completely hate him is a joke.

 

[burmafrd]

Draft picks are like gold nowadays. And an extra 2nd from a team known to be able to tank and get you in the teens or lower is a very good pick for Taylor.

 

[Kilyin]

Bill has pretty much been dangling Taylor all offseason. 32 teams turned up their nose at the asking price. Finally one caved in on a panic move and gave Bill what 31 other teams evidently thought was a ridiculous price ....

Or maybe Parcells lowered the price since he wasn't getting any other offers and saw this as the ideal scenario to unload Taylor.

Course, that wouldn't leave you much to rant about it, would it..?

 

[InmanRoshi]

Or maybe Parcells lowered the price since he wasn't getting any other offers and saw this as the ideal scenario to unload Taylor.

Course, that wouldn't leave you much to rant about it, would it..?

So Parcells actually lowered his asking price when he saw that another team came to him with lower leverage than they had previosly, and this makes perfect sense to you?

What are you paying on your credit card? 39% APR?

 

[SacredStar]

He's with the skins now. Does that really put fear into you.

You know the skins.....where players go to suck.

True dat.

There are not too many, if any, high profile players who went to the "Skins and succeeded.

Most go there for one last big payday, at Snyders expense, and for our comedy.

I see this as just another episode of Comedy Central.

Taylor hopefully fails as many before him have. It's a vicious cycle.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I didn't have a problem with the Galloway trade. Galloway wasn't cheap and he couldn't run routes. He's great under Gruden because he just goes deep all of the time, but even Gruden has noted that Galloway's route running blows. We got Keyshawn for that who was solid for the Cowboys. Obviously, the Bucs wound up with the better end of the deal, but the Cowboys did just fine.

I can't blame Parcells. His team is in full rebuilding mode. That not only means overhauling the players, but the attitude as well. He knows that having Taylor won't get them into the playoffs and Taylor is not a 3-4 guy. And to top it off, he's missing training camp which makes Sparano look like a lame duck head coach.

I don't think the Skins are going to the Super Bowl even with Taylor, but the problem I would have with this trade is Taylor stated this is his last year in the league. I don't think it's really worth getting a guy like that for a 2nd rounder unless you can convince him to play another year or 2 and he does well. But Taylor turns 34 years old in September and is probably sick of football to a degree (and will he be showing up to Skins TC now?) and he's already qualified for NFL player's retirement pension. Not to say that they cannot get him to change his mind, but it probably won't be easy.



YAKUZA

 

[theebs]

I have no idea what you are trying to say. None of it makes sense.

Sorry, not trying to be a jerk, but that original post makes zero sense.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Bill has pretty much been dangling Taylor all offseason. 31 teams initially turned up their nose at the asking price. Finally one caved in on a panic move and gave Bill what the 30 other teams evidently thought was a ridiculous price .... and Parcells got hosed? This is typical of the genius deductive logic I've come to expect on Parcells threads on this board over the last year.

Not only are you claiming that Vinny Cerrato and Danny Snyder outsmarted a no-brainer first ballot Hall of Famer, you're also claiming that they outsmarted 30 other NFL G.M.'s who had the same offer presented to them and turned it down.

You have a lot higher opinion of Vinny Cerrato and Danny Snyder than I do.

I actually don't think Parcells looked at it that way. I think he gave up on getting a big deal for Taylor awhile ago. From there, he wanted to get rid of him since they are rebuilding. Taylor isn't a 3-4 guy and it's tough to rebuild if everybody is not on the same page on the field and in attitude. So Taylor would wind up mising all of TC and Sparano would be forced to start him anyway, which is a big morale crusher to those players who were there the entire TC and having to play behind him. It also makes Sparano look like a lame duck coach. So Parcell was trying to look for the best deal possible because having Taylor on the team would be a bigger detriment tot he team than if they got a lowball offer from another team.

One of the things Parcells is great at is limiting the leverage players have with the team. That's why he doesn't draft troubled players, because drafted players know that teams want to avoid cutting them since it's a loss of money. When a player like Taylor had good leverage with the team, he got rid of him.




YAKUZA

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Guys, this IS a new generation now...time isn't standing still.

Obv. get with the times or get left behind it's that simple.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I actually don't think Parcells looked at it that way. I think he gave up on getting a big deal for Taylor awhile ago. From there, he wanted to get rid of him since they are rebuilding. Taylor isn't a 3-4 guy and it's tough to rebuild if everybody is not on the same page on the field and in attitude. So Taylor would wind up mising all of TC and Sparano would be forced to start him anyway, which is a big morale crusher to those players who were there the entire TC and having to play behind him. It also makes Sparano look like a lame duck coach. So Parcell was trying to look for the best deal possible because having Taylor on the team would be a bigger detriment tot he team than if they got a lowball offer from another team.

If he wanted to get rid of Taylor just for the sake of getting rid of Taylor, he would have done a deal by now. He didn't go from no offers to a 2nd round + 6th rounder overnight. The Jags and Bucs were sniffing around him too before the draft. There was an article quoting several anonymous NFL G.M's who said they would give up a 4th rounder for him. He could have released Taylor if he really wanted him gone that bad. He just stood firm on what he thought Taylor's value was and refused to trade him for less.

I agree that Parcells wants to change the culture of losing and selfishness there, but part of establishing an attidude of change is letting the players know they can't just publicly mope and whine their way out of their contracts or off the team unless it's good for the franchise. Just like when Ellis was trying to whine and cry his way off the team and out of his contract, the Cowboys stood firm and called his bluff and eventually Eliis had to tuck his Eeyore tail between his Eeyore legs and mope his Eeyore butt back to camp. It sends a message to the players that we'll trade you if we get a trade that's good for us, but we're not going to let you as the player dictate the situation to us when you're the one under contract.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So Parcells actually lowered his asking price when he saw that another team came to him with lower leverage than they had previosly, and this makes perfect sense to you?

What are you paying on your credit card? 39% APR?

:laugh1:

 

[yesfan]

Taylor was gone the day Bill got there,he did it with Emmitt.The whole
team has been revamped without the dissenting voice.Ok,if you don't like
Parcells.But we have a team thanks to him and he is now somewhere else
and as he's done 4 times before,is attempting yet again to turn that team
into a contender.

 

[Kilyin]

So Parcells actually lowered his asking price when he saw that another team came to him with lower leverage than they had previosly, and this makes perfect sense to you?

No, he lowered his price when he saw that he wasn't going to get a first rounder for Taylor (even from a desperate Skins franchise)... which oddly enough, is pretty much exactly what I said in the first place. You make it sound as if Parcells was publically auctioning Taylor for a second round pick to the entire NFL, because it fits well with your transparent agenda.

 

[lspain1]

If he wanted to get rid of Taylor just for the sake of getting rid of Taylor, he would have done a deal by now. He didn't go from no offers to a 2nd round + 6th rounder overnight. The Jags and Bucs were sniffing around him too before the draft. There was an article quoting several anonymous NFL G.M's who said they would give up a 4th rounder for him. He could have released Taylor if he really wanted him gone that bad. He just stood firm on what he thought Taylor's value was and refused to trade him for less.

I agree that Parcells wants to change the culture of losing and selfishness there, but part of establishing an attidude of change is letting the players know they can't just publicly mope and whine their way out of their contracts or off the team unless it's good for the franchise. Just like when Ellis was trying to whine and cry his way off the team and out of his contract, the Cowboys stood firm and called his bluff and eventually Eliis had to tuck his Eeyore tail between his Eeyore legs and mope his Eeyore butt back to camp. It sends a message to the players that we'll trade you if we get a trade that's good for us, but we're not going to let you as the player dictate the situation to us when you're the one under contract.

I agree Inman. Parcells handled this pretty well. Depending on how many years Taylor actually plays, the 'skins might do OK with this deal as well. Although a 2nd seems pretty high, if the skins get 3 good years, I think most teams would take that. We'll see.

 

[Boston Cowboy]

Guys, this IS a new generation now...time isn't standing still.

So that should be an excuse for using shortcuts such as U and 4 and completely destroying any grammatical logic?

I weep for the new generation.

As for Parcells. I don't think he did this to spite the Cowboys. He went for the best offer he could get and found a perfect suitor in Snyder. They had just lost their DE for the year and Snyder is notorious for overspending (draft picks or salary), so this was a no-brainer.

Sure, on paper, it sucks that Taylor is in the NFC East, but guess what? He hasn't exactly struck fear into our O-Line anytime recently and he's gotten older in the process...despite his new found twinkle-toes.