Satellites See Unprecedented Greenland Ice Sheet Surface Melt

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http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2012/24jul_greenland/

Satellites See Unprecedented Greenland Ice Sheet Surface Melt

July 24, 2012: For several days this month, Greenland's surface ice cover melted over a larger area than at any time in more than 30 years of satellite observations. Nearly the entire ice cover of Greenland, from its thin, low-lying coastal edges to its two-mile-thick center, experienced some degree of melting at its surface, according to measurements from three independent satellites analyzed by NASA and university scientists.

On average in the summer, about half of the surface of Greenland's ice sheet naturally melts. At high elevations, most of that melt water quickly refreezes in place. Near the coast, some of the melt water is retained by the ice sheet and the rest is lost to the ocean. But this year the extent of ice melting at or near the surface jumped dramatically. According to satellite data, an estimated 97 percent of the ice sheet surface thawed at some point in mid-July.

Researchers have not yet determined whether this extensive melt event will affect the overall volume of ice loss this summer and contribute to sea level rise.

"The Greenland ice sheet is a vast area with a varied history of change. This event, combined with other natural but uncommon phenomena, such as the large calving event last week on Petermann Glacier, are part of a complex story," said Tom Wagner, NASA's cryosphere program manager in Washington. "Satellite observations are helping us understand how events like these may relate to one another as well as to the broader climate system."
 

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Do not turn this into a political debate thread.

Warning given.
 

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CanadianCowboysFan;4633919 said:
Yet some will still say global climate change is a myth.

You're just afraid that americans will move to Canada if it gets too warm here, aren't ya? :D :D

#reality
 

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BrAinPaiNt;4633980 said:
Do not turn this into a political debate thread.

Warning given.

Wouldn't that be a debate over science?
 

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Reality;4633998 said:
You're just afraid that americans will move to Canada if it gets too warm here, aren't ya? :D :D

#reality

nah, would increase the tax base and help us fund our health care, you would just have to drop your accents and use the letter "u" more.
 

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CanadianCowboysFan;4634005 said:
nah, would increase the tax base and help us fund our health care, you would just have to drop your accents and use the letter "u" more.


What are you talking aboot?
 

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CanadianCowboysFan;4633919 said:
Yet some will still say global climate change is a myth.

It isn't a myth, it's simply a cyclical process being mislabeled by a large prcentage of our society due to ignorance or an agenda.

Most reputable scientists realize that it's a natural process that humans have almost no influence on. Data from past climate shifts indicate that the earth reach far higher average temperatures as well as far lower temperatures multiple times just within the last 50,000 years. In addition, we account for less than 3% of the CO2 being put into the atmosphere and less than 10% of other pollutants.
 

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CanadianCowboysFan;4633919 said:
Yet some will still say global climate change is a myth.

Global climate change doesn't need people and pollution to happen. It happens all by itself. Of course, we definitely aren't helping the situation.

Even if we stopped all pollution, climate change would still happen. It's happened many times before without our help and it will happen again and again.
 

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The30YardSlant;4634049 said:
Most reputable scientists realize that it's a natural process that humans have almost no influence on.

That isn't true and any *REAL* scientist knows that isn't true. Any scientist who says otherwise is either dumb as a stump or is being paid to say otherwise.
 

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Sam I Am;4634123 said:
That isn't true and any *REAL* scientist knows that isn't true. Any scientist who says otherwise is either dumb as a stump or is being paid to say otherwise.

Humans account for about 7% of the greenhouse gasses put into the atmosphere annually. Livestock, freshwater lakes, rainforests, volacanic eruptions and various other natural sources are all far bigger culprits than humanity. The two biggest sources of greenhouses gases? Evaporated water vapor and CO2 released from biological processes within living beings.

You could remove every last ounce of pollution released by humans and climate change will keep chugging right on along. We are powerless to so much as slow it down let alone stop it, and thus we need to stop obssessing over it.
 

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Sam I Am;4634121 said:
Global climate change doesn't need people and pollution to happen. It happens all by itself. Of course, we definitely aren't helping the situation.

Even if we stopped all pollution, climate change would still happen. It's happened many times before without our help and it will happen again and again.

yes it has but not as quickly as we are helping it along
 

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CanadianCowboysFan;4634163 said:
yes it has but not as quickly as we are helping it along

Even if this narrative were true, so what? It's not like the average global temperature is going to reach unliveable levels, and at some point a cooling trend will begin that will last several hundred/thousand years and the cycle will repeat over and over again just as it has ever since established plant and animal life has existed. The climate isn't dictated solely by your car exhaust and to believe as much is both ignorant of the science and arrogant.
 

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We actually are supposed to be in a cooling period although that's arguable. So the increase in CO2 may be delaying that. Be nice to get a green Sahara and a wetter Australia. Of course I don't want the interior of the US to get drier but wetter. All my tomatoes are dying.
 

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jobberone;4634173 said:
We actually are supposed to be in a cooling period although that's arguable. So the increase in CO2 may be delaying that. Be nice to get a green Sahara and a wetter Australia. Of course I don't want the interior of the US to get drier but wetter. All my tomatoes are dying.

Some scientists argue we are in a relative cooling trend but overall most agree we are still in a warming phase, but the mere fact that there is even a debate just furthers my point.
 

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The30YardSlant;4634178 said:
Some scientists argue we are in a relative cooling trend but overall most agree we are still in a warming phase, but the mere fact that there is even a debate just furthers my point.

.. that scientists can't agree on what the hell is going on right now?

EDIT: By the way.. who knows what "unprecedented" means?
 

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RoyTheHammer;4634194 said:
.. that scientists can't agree on what the hell is going on right now?

That it's not the simple "Humans are causing the global temperature to rise to dangerous levels" media narrative that politicians love to use.
 
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