Saw the Cowboys/Packers Dez non catch game on NFL network

[MarcusRock]

You're arguing with someone who is always going to side with the refs probably because he has some emotional ties to officiating.

The rule states that the receiver has to maintain possession through the process of going to the ground, but it never establishes clearly what the latter is. Because the main concern is establishing possession which is what makes it a catch. If he establishes possession by performing a football move as the rule states, then that effectively nullifies the going to the ground process. This is why if a receiver catches the ball with his feet in the air, comes down and then takes two steps (establishing possession), and the ball is knocked out or he stumbles to the ground right after and the ball comes loose, it's a fumble. Dez caught the ball, switched the ball in the air to one hand, then leaped and outstretched the ball in his forearm to goal line attempting to score a TD, more than enough football moves to establish that he had possession even if it can be loosely read that he was still in the process of going to the ground. It's not the latter that really matters, but maintaining possession through to the end of it and where that can be established.

Pipe down, also-ran fanboi, lol. You and your misinformation. So Dez "leaped" after he high-pointed the ball? Lol. You can't even get the scenario right after the video's been posted in here yet you want to be taken seriously as one who knew the rules at the time?

 

[SultanOfSix]

Pipe down, also-ran fanboi, lol. You and your misinformation. So Dez "leaped" after he high-pointed the ball? Lol. You can't even get the scenario right after the video's been posted in here yet you want to be taken seriously as one who knew the rules at the time?

You focused on one word in that entire explanation? This is how disingenuous you are. The difference between leap/lunge is matter of degree, all a diversion from the crux of the matter.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

This is sad. A 6 page thread.

For a freaking divisional playoff game from a decade ago, that we blew. This is our highest achievement this century.

Not even a loss in an NFC Champ Game (much less a SB), but a divisional round. There's still 8 teams left in the playoffs at that point LOL.

And here we are.... all nostalgic, thinking back to "the gold old days" when we were the 8th best team in the league.

That's a forgettable year for most teams, that doesn't even register 2 years from the fact, much less 10 years

But here we are, one step from trying to organize a Watch Party so we can re-live the glory of losing in the division round. To think, we were THAT close to being able to lose in the NFC championship game... oh what a glorious day that would have been.

Oh hum.

 

[CCBoy]

This is sad. A 6 page thread.

For a freaking divisional playoff game from a decade ago, that we blew. This is our highest achievement this century.

Not even a loss in an NFC Champ Game (much less a SB), but a divisional round. There's still 8 teams left in the playoffs at that point LOL.

And here we are.... all nostalgic, thinking back to "the gold old days" when we were the 8th best team in the league.

That's a forgettable year for most teams, that doesn't even register 2 years from the fact, much less 10 years

But here we are, one step from trying to organize a Watch Party so we can re-live the glory of losing in the division round. To think, we were THAT close to being able to lose in the NFC championship game... oh what a glorious day that would have been.

Oh hum.

Point, both the Cowboys and Dak both have earned respect in the playoffs.

 

[MarcusRock]

You focused on one word in that entire explanation? This is how disingenuous you are. The difference between leap/lunge is matter of degree, all a diversion from the crux of the matter.

There's no diversion. You entered with an insult and hazy rule descriptions and scenarios that have no basis in truth. "Leaped" was the least of offenses in that garbled ramble but was the funniest. Never say I don't have a sense of humor.

 

[MarcusRock]

Point, both the Cowboys and Dak both have earned respect in the playoffs.

Sorry, I thought @SultanOfSix had the funniest quip in this thread and then this post appeared. Lol.

 

[SuspectCorner]

Does anybody remember WHY Dallas was the 3RD seed to Green Bay’s 2ND seed and had to play that game on the road? Both teams finished the regular season at 12-4.

 

[ryanbabs]

I saw it at Lambeau..... dont need to see it again.

Understood. I watched the ‘07 playoff game against the Giants in person and can never watch it again. Literally had me too depressed to work the next day.

 

[gtb1943]

Quite.
The defensive effort against a gimpy Aaron Rodgers was embarrassing.

we could not get good pressure against a ONE LEGGED QB.
now the Dez blown call might have made a difference but with the way our D laid down probably not

 

[Nova]

I will never forgive Stephen Jones for not resigning him.........

I loved Murray but that was probably the right move.

 

[MarcusRock]

Does anybody remember WHY Dallas was the 3RD seed to Green Bay’s 2ND seed and had to play that game on the road? Both teams finished the regular season at 12-4.

Tie-breakers. Seattle was the #1 seed at 12-4 also and we'd beat them during the season but all teams didn't have head-to-heads or common opponents so they had to go on Conference record or something like that.

Edit: https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/mailbag-why-aren-t-the-cowboys-the-no-1-seed-over-seattle-368371

 

[McKDaddy]

That whole was the size of a mac truck and an 87 year old lineman was able to step you. Nah... screw Murray.

I am 100% in agreement that he had a huge opening and would have been off to a big gain if not a TD. That lineman was llllooooonnnnngggg though. 6' 7" with 34 inch arms. He played 4 more years & was still well above average in 2014. He had 7 sacks. 6 turnovers including two picks that he returned a total of 101 yards. He was still very much a contributor. Unfortunately for us, he was 6 inches too close to Murray.

 

[nathanlt]

A few really important things:
Nothing about this is controversial, it's obvious to all that THE CATCH was made.
It's theft, emboldened theft. This game should always be titled "the stolen catch" game.
No guarantees as to who would have won, that's not the point, though.
All pretense that officials do not brazenly interfere in games died that day.

For some on this board, it is their favorite antagonistic tool, because they know the catch was stolen, and enjoy the reaction they get.

 

[SultanOfSix]

There's no diversion. You entered with an insult and hazy rule descriptions and scenarios that have no basis in truth. "Leaped" was the least of offenses in that garbled ramble but was the funniest. Never say I don't have a sense of humor.

Yes, it was clearly a diversion. Just like the post that this is in response to is one as well.

If you think saying that you always side with the refs because you have emotional ties to officiating is an “insult”, your emotional fortitude is at the level of pansy.

Now, THAT was an insult.

 

[JonesBoys]

Didn't Dan Bailey miss a field goal right at the end of the 2nd quarter? This gave the Packers great field position to eek out 3 points just before half time. Huge 6 points swing.
The three big turning points on offense:

• Murray fumble
• Bailey missed field goal
• Dez catch.

Plus a bad defense only potentially capable of holding on when dominating time of possession. Even an MVP calibre QB that season with an elite offensive line couldn't overcome the above.

Also before that missed field goal there was a catch by Witten that the refs gave him a good spot and a first down. I believe the Cowboys slowed it down and GB challenged the spot and won making it a 3rd down that Dallas didn’t convert and then Bailey missed the field goal.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Some of my thoughts:

-This may of been the best Cowboy offense we have seen over the last 20 years:

-Elite OL (Leary/Parnell), Elite running game(Murray), very good receiving options (prime Dez, Witten, Beasley and TWilliams) Huge Murray fumble at the end of the 1st half was a big momentum swing.

-Defense was very suspect. Couldn't get any pressure on a injured Rodgers. Rookie Devonta Adams had a huge game as the Cowboy defenders keyed on stopping Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb. Huge 3rd and 15 for a long TD in the 3rd qrt changed the game.

Dez call was total BS as we all know, but it wouldn't of mattered as the defense couldn't get a stop.

Some conclusions based on what I saw compared to this Cowboy Team:

-Our current offense has similar receiving weapons, but the OL/run game is the biggest difference. It makes sense that they made fixing the run game an offseason priority. It is still very much a work in progress.

-Defensively, our current group is far more talented.

Mincey/Selvie and a rookie DLaw were our pass rushers. Hayden/Crawford were our DT's. McClain was out due to injury, saw Hitchens/Carter at backer, Carr/Steling Moore were at corner, Scandrick in the nickel, Wilcox/Heath at Safety.

Remember our DC was Marinelli and Eberflus was our LB coach. Eberflus did a tremendous job was turning around McClain's career at the time, Hitchens was suppose to be a undrafted fa and became a solid starter. Point is, don't discount Eberflus coaching chops.

Why torture yourself on the non-catch? It cannot be undone or challenged unless we find plutonium for the DeLorean.

As to this season, our O can be dangerous but RB is in question.
Bloody hell, Blue's college highlights are impressive, but that skill does not necessarily translate well when running against NFL defenders.

Me concerns on our D:
1. Our interior line.
2. LB as we wait for Overshown.

Team is a puzzle, of course, right now.
For me, I expect 9-8 in 2025 when I am feeling optimistic.

 

[bigdnlaca]

Iirc the Packers fumble after the Cowboys TD but Packers recovered in 3rd qtr. was huge. If Cowboys had recovered and scored a td, I think that would have been the dagger.

Instead, packers went down the field and scored a td.

 

[bigdnlaca]

Also before that missed field goal there was a catch by Witten that the refs gave him a good spot and a first down. I believe the Cowboys slowed it down and GB challenged the spot and won making it a 3rd down that Dallas didn’t convert and then Bailey missed the field goal.

Cowboys called a timeout.

 

[Chuck 54]

Some of my thoughts:

-This may of been the best Cowboy offense we have seen over the last 20 years:

-Elite OL (Leary/Parnell), Elite running game(Murray), very good receiving options (prime Dez, Witten, Beasley and TWilliams) Huge Murray fumble at the end of the 1st half was a big momentum swing.

-Defense was very suspect. Couldn't get any pressure on a injured Rodgers. Rookie Devonta Adams had a huge game as the Cowboy defenders keyed on stopping Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb. Huge 3rd and 15 for a long TD in the 3rd qrt changed the game.

Dez call was total BS as we all know, but it wouldn't of mattered as the defense couldn't get a stop.

Some conclusions based on what I saw compared to this Cowboy Team:

-Our current offense has similar receiving weapons, but the OL/run game is the biggest difference. It makes sense that they made fixing the run game an offseason priority. It is still very much a work in progress.

-Defensively, our current group is far more talented.

Mincey/Selvie and a rookie DLaw were our pass rushers. Hayden/Crawford were our DT's. McClain was out due to injury, saw Hitchens/Carter at backer, Carr/Steling Moore were at corner, Scandrick in the nickel, Wilcox/Heath at Safety.

Remember our DC was Marinelli and Eberflus was our LB coach. Eberflus did a tremendous job was turning around McClain's career at the time, Hitchens was suppose to be a undrafted fa and became a solid starter. Point is, don't discount Eberflus coaching chops.

And Romo with his usual miscues at critical times. 3rd and 1 with Murray having a big game….”Kill, Kill, Kill” changing the play, then letting the shotgun snap go right through his hands, hit his chest, major bobbling, so we end up trying a FG and miss it.

 

[MarcusRock]

A few really important things:
Nothing about this is controversial, it's obvious to all that THE CATCH was made.
It's theft, emboldened theft. This game should always be titled "the stolen catch" game.
No guarantees as to who would have won, that's not the point, though.
All pretense that officials do not brazenly interfere in games died that day.

For some on this board, it is their favorite antagonistic tool, because they know the catch was stolen, and enjoy the reaction they get.

It's not about enjoying the reaction, it's about observing people who double and triple down on a crazy, victim theory that they cannot in any way, shape, or form justify by laying out their case via the rules nor quote any major media source that lays out that the NFL grotesquely violated its own rules in what would certainly be a blockbuster story. Instead, it's a lay down on the ground, kicking and screaming fest about how "we wuz robbed" where people just turn their head to every piece of evidence presented to the contrary. Who wouldn't find that interesting?