Scandrick restructured

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It's gonna be interesting to see how we hang onto Spencer, Ratliff, Ware, Carr, Claiborne, Lee and Carter on this defense. We are going to have to go thin somewhere.
 

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TheCount;5019607 said:
It's gonna be interesting to see how we hang onto Spencer, Ratliff, Ware, Carr, Claiborne, Lee and Carter on this defense. We are going to have to go thin somewhere.

Not to mention Dez has his contract year coming up as well. This is why I would prefer the team let Spencer go and get a cheaper replacement. It would be really sweet if someone is willing to trade for him.
 

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ninja;5019576 said:
I would hardly describe the overall talent of a lot of the Cowboys as mediocre. However, their record the past two years has been mediocre. That only leaves coaching since injuries aren't an excuse. Garrett has been mediocre at best, many times much closer to downright putrid.

If your gonna make that statment I expect you to back it up with factual evidence in form of winning seasons, playoff victories, pro bowls......anything.
 

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TheCount;5019607 said:
It's gonna be interesting to see how we hang onto Spencer, Ratliff, Ware, Carr, Claiborne, Lee and Carter on this defense. We are going to have to go thin somewhere.

Already thin at Safety.
 

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Idgit;5019546 said:
We're trying to digest both Romo's huge number, and Spencer's huge number. This isn't really all that surprising.

It'd be nice, though, if one of those two deals were to get done. Or both.

One thing about these deals that people aren't discussing.

When Romo and/or Spencer get done, we likely can shove more of their money into the 2013 cap rather than structuring for a cap relief early on. Folks wring their hands about "kicking the can" but realistically that is going to be offset by the structure of these deals.
 

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AbeBeta;5019675 said:
One thing about these deals that people aren't discussing.

When Romo and/or Spencer get done, we likely can shove more of their money into the 2013 cap rather than structuring for a cap relief early on. Folks wring their hands about "kicking the can" but realistically that is going to be offset by the structure of these deals.

I was wondering about that myself the other night. After all the restructuring is done, did the team actually end up putting more money against the cap in the coming season and clearing out future space, or did we commit more gross dollars to the group of players we restructured?

My suspicion is we ended up front loading a lot of cap charges, reduced the amount of cap dollars we have allocated to that group of players in future seasons overall, but spread more of that smaller future cap hit further into the future as a longer cap-tail, if that makes sense.
 

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zack;5019551 said:
So, what do you think the hold up is? I would think that the Flacco deal would have commenced the negotiations, but it hasn't. I just wondering why they aren't discussing it right now....

Maybe because Dallas isn't in as big a hurry as we are right now to get a deal done.
 

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Idgit;5019688 said:
I was wondering about that myself the other night. After all the restructuring is done, did the team actually end up putting more money against the cap in the coming season and clearing out future space, or did we commit more gross dollars to the group of players we restructured?

My suspicion is we ended up front loading a lot of cap charges, reduced the amount of cap dollars we have allocated to that group of players in future seasons overall, but spread more of that smaller future cap hit further into the future as a longer cap-tail, if that makes sense.

In every case we converted salary to bonus. If you give a guy 5 mill upfront that way, it means that 5 mill is now spread over the length of the deal (and often times the restructure adds fake years as a club option). That 5 mill spread out hits for one mill a year. I think we likely restructured about 30 mill -- so instead of that hitting this year it is about 6 mill per year over the next five.

In most cases, however, we were dealing with guys who have big salaries in the future that will offset the cap hit for cutting them.
 

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Wood;5019555 said:
I still can't get my hands around how a team could be desperate to get under salary cap who has been .500 for past two years. Are cowboys stock piling mediocrity?

It's pretty easy to figure out. It's just a question of whether you can accept it.

The two guys running our football operations aren't qualified for the job.
 

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WE can recoup cap space from future years by pushing it into subsequent years. You used to have to include LTBE bonuses to get cap space from one year to the next. In this case we can restructure all this now, then sign Romo and/or Spencer and push any cap space we don't use to offset the future proration.

IE we extend Romo and get $7m in saving spend 4 and push 3 to next year. Or something like that.
 

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LittleD;5019560 said:
Romo and his reps just found out that he can hold out for north of 18mil per year with maybe 50-55mil guaranteed. He knows he can get that on the open market and he is forcing the Boys to pay up, play out the existing contract or trade him on Draft Day....


:hammer:


Jerry thinks we have a chance at winning the whole thing too.

Don't see how we're in contention with San Fran, Seahwaks, Packers, Atlanta in the NFC and the Pat's and Broncos in the AFC.

Sorry, just don't.
 

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We were competitive against ATL and BAL. Not so much vs. SEA. I don't think people understand how much parity there is.
 

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Risen Star;5019923 said:
It's pretty easy to figure out. It's just a question of whether you can accept it.

The two guys running our football operations aren't qualified for the job.


Well you might be right about Jerry, but Stephen Jones is very well respected league wide. Parcells was a big fan as well.
 

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The Cowboys added $321,250K to Scandrick's bonuses for the remaining 4 years and as result it will cost them an extra $321,250K to cut him.

I will update my other thread with the figures cost to keep vs cost to cut.

The front office choose to restructure all of these smaller contracts in order to prevent large sums of money being offset into the proration of the signing bonuses.

There are essentially two ways to do it:

#1 - You look at a few players on your roster and identify the guys with huge salaries. By reducing their salary to the vet minimum and prorating the rest to the signing bonus on the remaining years of the contract you can save the cap charges immediately.

#2 - You do the above for a lot of players that have smaller contracts where the cap chargers in the future years are not being raised by millions so therefore cutting the player isn't an issue.

The front office went by route #2. By restructuring the other guys with the smaller contracts they committed smaller amounts of money to the future years if they are cut before their contracts are up.

Your still adding money to the proration portion of their signing bonuses but it isn't millions per year but instead less than $400K per year.
 

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Vinnie2u;5019539 said:
Its amazing how this team is still fighting to get under the cap.. these guys are restucturing to save the team a couple of 100,000 at a time. Does anybody else think theres a problem.. I could see if this team was a perenial playoff team.. It's hard to be optimistic these days..

That's what happens when you dole out a bunch of bad contracts and pull off idiotic trades. All a Cowboy has to do is show a little promise and Stephen and Jerry rush to sign them to long term extensions.

It also doesn't help that our drafts have largely stunk over the last 5 years. If you can't draft well you have to make up for the poor drafts by overspending in free agency.

That's how the Cowboys have gotten into trouble.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;5019935 said:
We were competitive against ATL and BAL. Not so much vs. SEA. I don't think people understand how much parity there is.

True......but there is something missing in Dallas.

It's a mixture of several things. I don't think Garrett is capable of out-coaching any of the playoff coaches. His limitations were on full display throughout the entire 2012 season. The offense looked unprepared and disorganized in the first half of almost every game. That's a HUGE red flag that the offensive coaching staff is flawed.

Aside from Garrett those other teams have full time GMs while Dallas is saddled with a part time GM/pitchman/celebrity-owner/promoter/businessman.

Also, I have to question if football is the #1 priority in Dallas. A few players who have left the Cowboys have made comments indicating that football is taken more seriously at their new location.
 

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Risen Star;5019923 said:
It's pretty easy to figure out. It's just a question of whether you can accept it.

The two guys running our football operations aren't qualified for the job.

:repost:
 

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Wood;5019555 said:
I still can't get my hands around how a team could be desperate to get under salary cap who has been .500 for past two years. Are cowboys stock piling mediocrity?

Freaking Amazing isnt it.....But then again....its the Cowboy WAY.....same ol song a dance from Jerry/Stephen and the Princeton Red Head....


The Cowboys have been stuck on stupid for over 16years.... nothing has changed..same ol song an dance....
 

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Risen Star;5019923 said:
It's pretty easy to figure out. It's just a question of whether you can accept it.

The two guys running our football operations aren't qualified for the job.

And you are?

:lmao:

Give me a break
 
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