Scandrick's injury no big deal in the grand scheme

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First of all, I would like to know how a 12th round draft pick can be overrated?
Secondly, Larry Brown made big plays in big games.
- the INT in Philly in 1991
- the INT in Super Bowl XXVII (any SB INT is huge)
- the INT that turned back Brett Favre along the sidelines and giving Emmit the ball back to put the game away
- then there is a Super Bowl XXX MVP

Yes, this 12th round pick Larry Brown kept rookie 1st round pick Kevin Smith on the bench for half of the 1992 season (and then he replaced Isaac Holt and not Brown).
Larry Brown is not overrated.

Point taken on the draft position, but as it played out in Oakland, he just wasn't very good.

The overall defense here, along with the pressure the offense applied to the opposing offense's need to score, made much better players out of guys that weren't that good.

Brown, Dixon Edwards, Brock Marion, etc.
 

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He also had 6 Ints during the season in era where 30 passes in a game were rare

Some of that was the result of being the corner to throw at. More opportunities to get beat, more opportunities to intercept.
 

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Well I think the Cowboys overall have had concerns with this guy, drugs, domestic issues., thats why they addressed it in the draft.Management here is really ahead of the curve.

If they had so much concerns, why did they give him a new contract?
 

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Point taken on the draft position, but as it played out in Oakland, he just wasn't very good.

The overall defense here, along with the pressure the offense applied to the opposing offense's need to score, made much better players out of guys that weren't that good.

Brown, Dixon Edwards, Brock Marion, etc.

True, but that is the way it is with all top defenses.

I always liked Brown, Dixon Edwards, and Brock Marion. Even though they were not All-Pro caliber, they played their role and did their job superbly for the Cowboys. Even though there was not a superstar at every position, I never considered them as weak links either.
 

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Point taken on the draft position, but as it played out in Oakland, he just wasn't very good.

The overall defense here, along with the pressure the offense applied to the opposing offense's need to score, made much better players out of guys that weren't that good.

Brown, Dixon Edwards, Brock Marion, etc.

Like I said brown was not a super star he was not #1 Corner but he played his tail off and probably got little fat after the huge FA money thrown at him in Oakland. But he had a track record which is more than anyone outside of Carr has currently.
 

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I actually heard someone, with a straight face and a stern brow, blame Orlando Scandrick's injury on Jason Garrett yesterday. I kid you not. His "point" was that if Garrett had held the scheduled day at the beach as usual - Garrett cancelled it because of the poor performance on Sunday - Scandrick would not have been on the practice field and gotten hurt.

He was serious. I pointed out that, by his logic, if they just cancelled training camp altogether and played only end-of-the-roster guys in preseason, we could be guaranteed not to lose a starter by the Giants game. I was told that was ridiculous. He couldn't connect the dots of my point. In fact, I don't think he could find his butt with a flashlight and a map.

So I decided to blow his circuitry further with this point, which I'm about 75 percent serious about: Scandrick's injury was a good thing.

First, some context to my thinking. If you had to choose a significant starter to lose during the preseason, which most every preseason brings, Scandrick would probably be a good choice. The depth at cornerback has improved beyond the cast from last year, when he was suspended for Draya mollies for four games. Tyler Patmon looks like a real player, as does Corey White, to go along with Carr and the two first-round picks of Mo and Jones. Add to that what looks like an improved pass rush, and the group is bolstered all the more.

Second, I'm one that thinks Scandrick is a bit overrated. His leadership quality and reasonable ability shined during the recent Dark Ages of Cowboys defensive football, when yardage leaked like Ashley Madison accounts. He was a lone wolf in a pack of Shih tzus for a good while, which made him look like the second coming of Deion Sanders around here (which my buddy seems to believe).

The fact is, this loss can be absorbed, and assuming no other corner injuries occur, thank you, there's really no need to add a sixth corner right now.

That could mean that a player Dallas DIDN'T want to waive doesn't necessarily have to be. The Cowboys have entered that rare air of a team that has to let go of good players other teams want because need at other positions dictates certain decisions, or in this case, a wealth of ability at a single position that you just can't cut. I half expected a trade of one of these quality corners anyway because of need elsewhere.

So who benefits from Scandrick's misfortune? Nick Harwell? AJ Jenkins? Ben Gardner? Ken Bishop? Lavar Edwards? Tim Scott? Mark Nzeocha? Keith Smith? A guy soon to be cut elsewhere?

Just who grabbed their eye that now has new hope for the 53? Or whom out there has tickled their distant fancy?

The best thing about this whole thing is simple. I'm not worried about it, not in the least. I have full confidence that Will McClay's talent bandits are on the prowl, and there's a good solution in the making, here already or not. They've got this well in hand.

While I watch other teams wallowing in desperation over lost Achilles and ACLs, I see a deepening roster here very much intact right now. That doesn't preclude an injury this weekend, or any weekend from here to January, but as it stands, this particular loss is really no big deal. Part of the NFL, which seems more wrought with injuries with every passing season.

In fact, aside from a season-ender to Romo, Tyron, or Dez, I don't think there's an injury this team couldn't amply absorb and roll on, so long as they didn't come in high quantity. That's why my choice would be to keep another outside receiver, just in case the worst case with Dez happened. I actually think they could manage through that, albeit with difficulty.

Now, that said, no more of these, please. Quick success Saturday, and get them out pronto, por favor. Shut them down until the Giants.

Scandrick finished as an honorable mention for PFFs all pro team. He finished 8th in their metrics for top CBs in the league and was one of only 3 CBs to play 500+ snaps without giving up a TD. But yea, he is overrated. Smh
 

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Scandrick finished as an honorable mention for PFFs all pro team. He finished 8th in their metrics for top CBs in the league and was one of only 3 CBs to play 500+ snaps without giving up a TD. But yea, he is overrated. Smh

PFF is a waste of time. It's a bunch of fat guy's who never played football looking for a way to avoid IT careers.

Tell me Scandrick's top five plays last year. Bears interception. What else?

Look, he's a good player, but he's not even close to being a top 10 corner. If he was, they wouldn't make Brandon Carr always cover the top receiver on the other team.
 

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I wouldn't hold my breath. I think he's a lost cause. I hope I'm wrong but then I'll have to say where has he been all these years? He was supposed to be our shutdown corner and he's played like a scrub.

He hasn't played that bad when healthy
He just hasn't been healthy
Hopefully he can stay healthy and if he does he has all the motivation to play well
We shall see
 

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PFF is a waste of time. It's a bunch of fat guy's who never played football looking for a way to avoid IT careers.

Tell me Scandrick's top five plays last year. Bears interception. What else?

Look, he's a good player, but he's not even close to being a top 10 corner. If he was, they wouldn't make Brandon Carr always cover the top receiver on the other team.

There is more to playing cb than just ints
Scandrick is a very good cb
He is not elite but he is very good and really good in the slot which is a very tough spot to play
 

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I definitely wouldn't say it was a good thing... but I don't think losing O-Scan was that big of a deal either. When you think of it as us losing our best corner, it sounds bad. But let's be honest, Scandrick just happened to be the best corner on a team with a bad secondary. We all love O-Scan but he can be replaced. We have depth at the position. And hypothetically, if I could have just Orlando Scandrick or both Byron Jones and Corey White... I'm probably taking Jones/White, who we didn't have either of last year. Plus this year we're adding a motivated Mo Claiborne who's gonna be fighting for his next contract. Even with the Scandrick injury you could say we've upgraded the corner position from last season. And the much improved pash rush will help the secondary a lot as well.

So yeah, I don't think the loss is as big as everyone is making it out to be. People are acting like Scandrick is freakin' Deion Sanders. Someone on ESPN yesterday actually said that us losing Scandrick is a bigger loss than the Packers losing Jordy Nelson. Like really!? That's absurd to me. Jordy was a 1,500 yard receiver and Rodgers' favorite target. The two injuries don't compare. Scandrick didn't even start getting recognition as a good corner until last year or the year before. He's never made a pro-bowl and never had more than 2 INTs in a season. Honestly the biggest loss from his injury will be his leadership, not his on-field production. This doesn't affect our super bowl aspirations. We'll be okay Cowboy Nation.

I'd rather have all three
 

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Which is why I qualified it.

Scandrick isn't the impact guy he's made out to be. He was the skinniest kid at fat camp for a long time.

There's a reason they put Carr on the No. 1 guy instead of Scandrick.


Carr was made a number one corner because he was paid 50 million dollars. You don't pay a guy that king of money and him play has a number 2 or 3 corner period
 

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There is more to playing cb than just ints
Scandrick is a very good cb
He is not elite but he is very good and really good in the slot which is a very tough spot to play

Not arguing that he's good. He is. But he's not a top ten corner.
 

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Carr was made a number one corner because he was paid 50 million dollars. You don't pay a guy that king of money and him play has a number 2 or 3 corner period

Bull. So why isn't McFadden starting? He makes more than Randle.

Rod Marinelli isn't playing guys based on their contracts, and he wouldn't listen to Jerry about anything regarding his defense.
 

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His issue early in camp was the same knee that ended up blowing out. They called it tendinitis but I'm curious if they did an MRI on it before the injury. It's possible that he already had a partial tear in it.

I think I read that the bad knee was the left one, and the right knee was injured.
The blow he took would have ripped it up whether it was normal or weak, it was close to breaking it.
It really bent it in.
 

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Anytime you lose a starter for the season that is bad, I don't think losing Scandrick will a nail in the coffin but it does hurt the defense and now depth becomes an issue.
 

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Is this thread worse than my martin whiffed a block thread ??

My take on this is they can manage this easier than what some other teams can manage their injurys, and maybe it is not as bad as lee and lawrence last year.
But you should not say it is a good thing or no big deal.
Scandrick was good around the line and had years of starting experience , he could read what the play was quick.
patmon , and jones may be good at times, but will make mistakes or slow to react.
Corey white I dont know.
 

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So I decided to blow his circuitry further with this point, which I'm about 75 percent serious about: Scandrick's injury was a good thing.


Glad you said that because you just backed up what I stated in another thread how FANS try and spin a negative into a positive. There's nothing positive about losing your best corner. Scandrick didn't give up a TD last season when he was the primary corner in coverage.
 

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Losing Scandrick is worse than losing Murray in the grand scheme of things.

But, then again, the team lost General Lee last season and the team rallied around that and did a damn good job considering the talent they had last season. I expect the same thing this year and I am a FAN.
 

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Losing Scandrick is worse than losing Murray in the grand scheme of things.

But, then again, the team lost General Lee last season and the team rallied around that and did a damn good job considering the talent they had last season. I expect the same thing this year and I am a FAN.

True but we brought in McClain and drafted Hitches who filled in at the MLB spot and did a good job.
 
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