Schein and Gannon opining on 'Boys/Gaither & Niners/McNabb

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I think its entierely possible to pull of this Bennet and 27 to Cincy for 21, a 5th, and 6th

Makes a lot of sense for both sides. 21 is a great spot for us and Cincy get a TE they like and at 27 they still can get one of Demayrious Thomas, Golden Tate, Brian Price, Taylor Mays etc.

 

[Nexx]

We have a solid RT now in Columbo, and the team is optomistic about Brewster over there.

:laugh2:

Let me say it like you wanted to say it.

We have an average RT in decline in Columbo, and the team is optimistic about Brewster over there but he wont be ready to take over the position for at least another year and there isnt any guarantee he will be any good.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Why on earth would you trade our starting RT and our quality backup TE plus a 3rd for gaither when you could keep the line the way it is now for 1 more season and let Free sit 1 more year. Or you could let Free start and let Flo basck him up in an uncapped season!:bang2:

I see your really dense.

We lose nothing since Free will take that spot since he has shown he can handle that spot. No loss there. The Ravens use Columbo at RT for a year or two until they find a replacement.

Martellus is a JAG and a perenial backup on this team..find his replacement in the 4th round. Phillips can do what Marty does. No loss there

Now it just comes down to trading a 3rd rounder for a 23 year old LT.

checkmate.

 

[catch28]

I see your really dense.

We lose nothing since Free will take that spot since he has shown he can handle that spot. No loss there. The Ravens use Columbo at RT for a year or two until they find a replacement.

Martellus is a JAG and a perenial backup on this team..find his replacement in the 4th round. Phillips can do what Marty does. No loss there

Now it just comes down to trading a 3rd rounder for a 23 year old LT.

checkmate.

When did Free show he could handle the LT spot? I dont remember seeing him play there at all last season! Hope and potential is what the scouts are saying. The 2nd TE is not a backup onthis team. That position is can be a huge reason we improve next year. Also you WILL not get the same talent from a 4th rd rookie TE that you get from MB.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

When did Free show he could handle the LT spot? I dont remember seeing him play there at all last season! Hope and potential is what the scouts are saying. The 2nd TE is not a backup onthis team. That position is can be a huge reason we improve next year. Also you WILL not get the same talent from a 4th rd rookie TE that you get from MB.

Facepalm.

Gaither at LT. Free at RT genius.

Oh and Phillips was a 6th rounder. Therefore it is possible to find a TE later in the draft that matches martys production.

We overrate Marty waaay too much on here. Dude is a decent player that doesn't have the passion to get better.

 

[AKATheRake]

I love LT as a position and value it highly but there is zero guarantee a guy who played well for another team in a different scheme comes in here and excels. What is guaranteed is that you will absolutely have to pay a bundle to that LT and also give up a 1st round draft choice.

If the Ravens are willing to let him walk we must consider why. Probably money.

Well this OL already has big money all across it and we will eat more to cut Flozell.

This move should be a consideration but a long shot.

Philly seems to be quite content with grabbing Jason Peters from the Bills for a 1st and paying him a boatload.

I'm not saying get Gaither, in fact I'm impartial but I rather use a first on Gaither than Campbell or Charles Brown from USC. Especially if Iupati, Earl Thomas, all the other tackles supposed to go in the first and Pouncey are gone. Heck, I rather have Gaither than Pouncey actually.

I think Gaither would have a better career blocking for Tony Romo than Joe Flacco. Romo has a much quicker release and lets not even argue about mobility and improvisation.

Furthermore, at least Gaither has a professional body of work to judge from, where does a rookie?

Unless Free is ready, and we know this, or we have a shot at Iupati, Thomas, Bulaga (which we won't) or Anthony Davis..... Than giving up a #1 that low for a franchise LT is a good investment. I doubt Baltimore lets it go that easy though, they would match unless he has soured out management over negotiations.

 

[ethiostar]

3rd, Martellus and Columbo for Gaither

Gaither at LT

Free at RT

/thread

:laugh1:

 

[DeaconBlues]

3rd, Martellus and Columbo for Gaither

Gaither at LT

Free at RT

/thread

Balt tendered him with a 1st rounder for a reason. They won't be interested in a 3rd and a couple of spare parts.

 

[Big Dakota]

Well, HELL, if shoe shine and gannon say so...............

 

[sonnyboy]

Why do you need to release Flozell and his contract in a cap-less year?

Just because?

It's in the book.
Rule 4578.7743 paragraph B. No team shall have a reserve player count against the salary cap in any given year more than an average starting player at his position if he enters the season as a reserve.

I think Jerry is facing draft pick penalties for Roy, Barber and Flozel.

 

[Big Dakota]

Balt tendered him with a 1st rounder for a reason. They won't be interested in a 3rd and a couple of spare parts.

And if they think they're gonna get a 1st for a guy that has all the tags of a lazy SOB that dog prolly won't hunt.

 

[TwoDeep3]

I love LT as a position and value it highly but there is zero guarantee a guy who played well for another team in a different scheme comes in here and excels.

Learn this.

Print it and keep it close.

Perhaps one of the smartest things said on a football board.

Just because __name the player__ did well at __name the team__ there is no guarantee he will do the same elsewhere.

Or putting it another way....if we had drafted, signed, optioned, stole __player X__ he would have put up the same yards, sacks, tackles, completed passes, wins for us. Which is false.

Jimmy Smith should answer any of this same results comments.

Great post, Terrell.

 

[DeaconBlues]

And if they think they're gonna get a 1st for a guy that has all the tags of a lazy SOB that dog prolly won't hunt.

It means they tagged him with the expectation that no one is going after him.

Much like Dallas tagged its RFAs.

 

[pgreptom]

3rd, Martellus and Columbo for Gaither

Gaither at LT

Free at RT

/thread

This won't happen -

Martellus is a starter. Columbo is a starter.

Just because Columbo is good here, doesn't guarantee he'll fit their system. Martellus hasn't done jack here, so why would he do much of anything there?

With no guarantee in performance, why would you trade your 3rd round pick, a starting TE in Martellus, a starting RT in Columbo for a LT you have no idea what type of performance results you will get? In addition to that, the money that will follow Gaither after any trade will be outrageous... and we still have to sign Austin. I'm assuming you propose cutting Adams, too - the cap will be back sooner or later.

This idea has stupid written all over it.

 

[burmafrd]

Zone blocking vs Man to man. Are the Ravens a Zone team? Other then that a LT is a LT.

 

[Future]

Why are people so down on Columbo? The guy broke his leg for crying out loud :laugh2:

 

[SLATEmosphere]

This won't happen -

Martellus is a starter. Columbo is a starter.

Just because Columbo is good here, doesn't guarantee he'll fit their system. Martellus hasn't done jack here, so why would he do much of anything there?

With no guarantee in performance, why would you trade your 3rd round pick, a starting TE in Martellus, a starting RT in Columbo for a LT you have no idea what type of performance results you will get? In addition to that, the money that will follow Gaither after any trade will be outrageous... and we still have to sign Austin. I'm assuming you propose cutting Adams, too - the cap will be back sooner or later.

This idea has stupid written all over it.

That's kind of a conflicting statement, don't you think?

 

[casmith07]

Well, Gaither then could play RT. and keep Colombo as the Back up.

Gaither could play RT...

...and then hold out because he feels he's a LT and deserves LT money? Just like in...Baltimore...

yeah, no.

 

[gimmesix]

Not sure if Baltimore wants #27 more than Gaither.

And if the Ravens do, I really want to know why.

Having one potential Pro Bowl tackle is not a good reason to get rid of another for a late first-round pick (or any first-round pick for that matter) because those guys are hard to come by.

 

[unionjack8]

Gaither could play RT...

...and then hold out because he feels he's a LT and deserves LT money? Just like in...Baltimore...

yeah, no.

when did he hold out as you state?