Schottenheimer: We will run screens and draws

[jazzcat22]

Last one I remember is Zeke his rookie year against Pittsburgh took it to the house for like 70.

Was just thinking of that play. It was more like 90 yards though.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yeah, that would have been a 5 yard loss on every play. But he wasn't too slow in 2016. And Pollard certainly isn't too slow. The problem with those draw plays is the QB needs to be under center. Which creates another problem. You then need pass plays from under center.

Are you insinuating that Dak cant take a snap from center?

 

[CowboyRoy]

.....who had the 2nd most productive offense in the league during his time as the OC.

All nonsensical fan criticisms get destroyed by that fact.

Criticism over Moore is way overboard. But he did have some big flaws. Featuring Zeke was the biggest. If he had anything to do with that. If not, then you cant blame him for Zeke sucking.

 

[Ring6]

maybe in the preseason games, but its all talk for now, heard it before.

 

[Teague31]

Loved the delayed draws they ran when Romo was QB

 

[Praxit]

...screens is about getting the ball to fast runts. TP and Vaughn. I think we're good there.

 

[jazzcat22]

Criticism over Moore is way overboard. But he did have some big flaws. Featuring Zeke was the biggest. If he had anything to do with that. If not, then you cant blame him for Zeke sucking.

Moore was Zeke's problem. Remove Moore, Zeke would have been better. Even Pollard would have been better.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Moore was Zeke's problem. Remove Moore, Zeke would have been better. Even Pollard would have been better.

Zeke sucked so he was the problem. Pollard was dynamic in the exact same offense. So your theory gets blown out of the water right there.

Moore was the only fool that would feature Zeke. Zeke was lucky he had Moore. He cant even find a job now without Moore. LOL

Now if Jerry forced Zeke on Moore, then he gets a little bit of a pass. If he was the one self consciously featuring Zeke and doing so over Pollard, then its a great thing he is gone. Maybe its telling that Zeke is gone the moment Moore went.

 

[jazzcat22]

Zeke sucked so he was the problem. Pollard was dynamic in the exact same offense. So your theory gets blown out of the water right there.

Moore was the only fool that would feature Zeke. Zeke was lucky he had Moore. He cant even find a job now without Moore. LOL

Now if Jerry forced Zeke on Moore, then he gets a little bit of a pass. If he was the one self consciously featuring Zeke and doing so over Pollard, then its a great thing he is gone. Maybe its telling that Zeke is gone the moment Moore went.

Still Zeke obsessed. You can't let it go. 24/7.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Still Zeke obsessed. You can't let it go. 24/7.

If you dont want me to shut you up about Zeke, then dont post to me about him. LOL

jazzcat22 said:
Moore was Zeke's problem. Remove Moore, Zeke would have been better. Even Pollard would have been better.

 

[Flamma]

Are you insinuating that Dak cant take a snap from center?

No. From everything I've seen he is pretty good from under center. It's that we don't have a lot of plays from under center. We'd have to add plays if you want to run the delayed draw. Or any draw. Otherwise everyone is going to know it's a draw.

 

[CowboyRoy]

No. From everything I've seen he is pretty good from under center. It's that we don't have a lot of plays from under center. We'd have to add plays if you want to run the delayed draw. Or any draw. Otherwise everyone is going to know it's a draw.

I agree we need more under center plays. Its also the best way to do play action.

 

[Flamma]

I agree we need more under center plays. Its also the best way to do play action.

Of course. One of my main gripes was that we were telegraphing our plays. Of the faults Dak has, under center isn't one of them. If you're not an RPO QB, running most plays from shotgun gives too much away IMO.

 

[quickccc]

I've heard coaches say they don't run more screens because it takes so much dedicated time at practice to make sure the execution is right.

- Depends upon the coaches ...and Kellen was not one to be patient with it , emphasize it .prioritized it ....and I wonder about his ability to design it.

- Little wonder Kellen's RB screens looked so sloppy and awkward when he rarely did run it ... so since he proved inadequate with RB screens, he strongly
preferred to run those over-used WR bubble screens as an alternative instead.

- Remember when it worked so well and effective when Linehan ran it, and Zeke offered a great more space speed in his early 2 years in NFL.

- Also like Schott mentioned, as a coach and play caller you have to also have timing and knack for " when" to use those RB screens.

 

[ghst187]

More screens with these RB's will be great.

Defenders will never find Deuce out in space and behind blockers

 

[ghst187]

I wanna see some flea flickers
(or is it flee flicker?)

 

[StarLord]

Given how the last decade has gone, I'd be happy if I never saw another Dallas screen pass in my life!

That being said, I'm all for it if they figure out how to execute one successfully.

 

[jazzcat22]

If you dont want me to shut you up about Zeke, then dont post to me about him. LOL

jazzcat22 said:
Moore was Zeke's problem. Remove Moore, Zeke would have been better. Even Pollard would have been better.

You are the one that say false things about him, but do not do it for other players. If you don't want me to respond, then just move on and stop posting about him. It can work both ways.
Dak has sucked far worse in many games, but yet you always have an excuse for him.

I just try to educate you on real football issues. But obviously that is a lost cause.

My comment about Moore is true, and you know it.
You blame the OL for Dak's poor play, but when it comes to Zeke, it was all Zeke's fault.
You are already setting up that as an excuse if Dak fails, oh, the OL is the reason.

I am done with you now, so will not read any further posts from you. Far better topics on here for me to look at.

 

[xwalker]

Moore was Zeke's problem. Remove Moore, Zeke would have been better. Even Pollard would have been better.

Disagree.

However, Zeke was not as bad as Roy claims. Nobody is that bad. I would be better than Roy's vision of Zeke and I probably can't beat Rich Eisen I'm the forty...

Zeke issues remind me of Dez. Both were reliant on great physical ability and didn't develop the nuances of playing their position. Once they lost some physical ability they didn't have great developed skill to fall back on.

Emmitt was never a 225 pound RB that ran a 4.45 forty. He developed his skill from an early age and continued to develop it in the NFL.

In 1022 (Zeke's 7th season) he had less than 1000 yards for the 3rd time in his career.

After his rookie season, Emmitt didn't drop below 1000 yards until year 13...

Zeke was already showing signs of decline In year 5 (2020).

Emmitt's peak was year 6 (1773 yards and 25 TDs).

It was not an over-used issue. Zeke's peak carries were his rookie year with 322.

Emmitt surpassed 322 carries 7 times including year 10 with 329.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Yup…..they know when to run a screen, but fail to execute it successfully

exactly, well hopefully in the dak friendly offense this will change!