Schotty you have the ability to prove us all wrong

[Chocolate Lab]

Then he'll keep failing like everyone else. Stupid to think otherwise.

But it isn't him failing, it's Jerry.

Jerry isn't going to hire anyone who won't "let him" talk in the locker room. Therefore every coach is an automatic failure. I don't think that's the right way to look at it.

 

[_sturt_]

we

I understand why bandwagon logic leads you to say "we," but of course, that "we" is a subset of the fan base gathered here.

Granted, I'm a healthy skeptic to anyone who would have been hired... or retained.

I don't trust that anyone is taking the team back to a Super Bowl near term.

But this notion that "all" have "zero faith" stuff is simply gross, absurd, objectively wrong overstatement.

I have approximately as much confidence that Schottenheimer can do it as anyone else who was interviewed, and somewhat more than several who were legitimately popularly perceived to be an option. That's not saying a lot. I didn't see any excellent options to begin with, and no one did. Further, I don't have a lot of self-conceit in the first place, knowing how upset I was when a college coach replaced an NFL legend... at that moment in time, the NFL had never had a college coach ever have any real success, so I was right to feel that way. Further, I'm kinda with Jerry on this, assuming this is how he thinks about it... there is a pool of head coaches capable of taking a team on a Super Bowl run... and you don't know for a fact who is capable until someone has actually done that... and no one in that pool anyway is going to be so good at coaching that it's going to be so much more important than talent inventory on the roster.

I have some faith... much closer to 0% than 50%, but some nonetheless... that Schottenheimer is capable.

Not any more than the others interviewed, but also not much less.

 

[visionary]

Best case for Shotty/Eberflus and Dak is regular season success and bounced in playoffs

Even that is a stretch

This is a top heavy team with overpaid ‘stars’ and a horrible GM

Next 2-3 years are going to be miserable and full of excuses and cliches

 

[_sturt_]

Best case for Shotty/Eberflus and Dak is regular season success and bounced in playoffs

Even that is a stretch

This is a top heavy team with overpaid ‘stars’ and a horrible GM

Next 2-3 years are going to be miserable and full of excuses and cliches

I feel for ya man.

Might be time to just disengage for a long while, and give your psyche and blood pressure some respite.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I hope Schotty succeeds, I always want the Cowboys to win. Unfortunately, ownership goals are not aligned with coaching goals.

There is some sad truth.

 

[fivetwos]

I've talked up Schottenheimer since he was first brought in as a consultant. I'm a big fan of his, and think he is a great coach, but the issue isnt Schottenheimer, its why he was hired. He was brought in to keep continuity. He was brought in because the Jones's are familiar and comfortable with him. He was brought in because he knows where the lines are and where Jerry/Stephen like to be involved and is OK with that.

I get that people want to be optimistic here, and maybe in the end I'll look like a fool for ever doubting this hire, but I struggle to see any reason why things would change with this hire. He was brought in to keep the offense mostly the same. He was brought in because Jerry/Stephen are comfortable with him. Coaches have talked about the culture here for decades, but I'm not sure any of that has really improved with the exception of the Parcells years. Not to knock Eberflus, but once again we have a DC that has former Cowboy ties, and while I'm sure Schottenheimer had a say it most likely was primarily a Jerry/Stephen choice.

It continues to amaze me that they are so insistent on keeping things that have proven to not work the same.

That really does feed the idea that winning isn’t atop the priority list.

 

[visionary]

I feel for ya man.

Might be time to just disengage for a long while, and give your psyche and blood pressure some respite.

LOL
This is just me stating facts as i see them
My emotional involvement with this franchise is at an all time low so i dont need to “disengage”
If you’re expecting Shotty/Eburflus and Dak to win in the playoffs we might need to put you on suicide watch

 

[conner01]

The NFL is a results based business. If Schotty gets this team to the playoffs next year and wait for it…even wins a game…things will be looking up.

And I 100% agree that Schottenheimer SHOULD stand up to JJ and run this team like 31 other NFL HCs with full control of the locker room. He SHOULD dare Jerry to fire him by doing things his own way as a coach. But is anyone seriously thinking he’s going to do that? If he did, he would already gain lots of respect regardless of success rate.

That’s the big opportunity Schotty has. But the chances of it happening as we wish are twofold: slim and none.

He’s not standing up Jerry. But he does have the potential to be a decent HC, maybe real good. To me it’s like the draft. We passed on the 1st and 2nd round picks. We took the guy who has potential but hasn’t really shown it all yet. Sometimes that guy works out and is great, sometimes not

 

[conner01]

But it isn't him failing, it's Jerry.

Jerry isn't going to hire anyone who won't "let him" talk in the locker room. Therefore every coach is an automatic failure. I don't think that's the right way to look at it.

Most of the failures of this team is Jerry. I’m not an MM fan but last year wasn’t on MM. injuries gutted the team. But some of the lack of depth many here talked about well before training camp. I don’t know if Shott can be good or not. But he can’t be if Jerry doesn’t get him the talent to work with

 

[Mcsports]

I've talked up Schottenheimer since he was first brought in as a consultant. I'm a big fan of his, and think he is a great coach, but the issue isnt Schottenheimer, its why he was hired. He was brought in to keep continuity. He was brought in because the Jones's are familiar and comfortable with him. He was brought in because he knows where the lines are and where Jerry/Stephen like to be involved and is OK with that.

I get that people want to be optimistic here, and maybe in the end I'll look like a fool for ever doubting this hire, but I struggle to see any reason why things would change with this hire. He was brought in to keep the offense mostly the same. He was brought in because Jerry/Stephen are comfortable with him. Coaches have talked about the culture here for decades, but I'm not sure any of that has really improved with the exception of the Parcells years. Not to knock Eberflus, but once again we have a DC that has former Cowboy ties, and while I'm sure Schottenheimer had a say it most likely was primarily a Jerry/Stephen choice.

Excellent post.
We all know, whether we want to or not, that Jerry won’t listen to anyone and he won’t stay out of the locker room.
It’s his team. He creates the 30year culture.

 

[CowboyFanInLexKy]

Unfortunately I agree. But I also say, you are what you are, until you're something else. Hope he makes them something else. But I would not bet on it. Rooting for it and expecting it are very different.

AS much as I hate to sat this..... We are who Jerry says we are until someone does stand up to him.... But also unfortunate is with as many people who are desperate to get a HC gig (let alone have the chance to be a HC for the Cowboys) nobody is going to stand up to Jerry (that is worth anything) because Jerry is who calls the plays....Jerry is who decides who is going to start. I have been a loyal fan since 1976. I've seen the good years.

 

[_sturt_]

My emotional involvement with this franchise is at an all time low so i dont need to “disengage”

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/incoherent

 

[Clove]

here's the deal. Based on 30 years of watching Jed and Jethro comfort shop for coaches, we have zero faith in their decision making, hence zero faith in you. Most of us believe you will be a 500 coach that makes Jerry feel good because you're a nice guy. We think, like Wade, the team will just continue to become softer and softer, less and less disciplined with each passing week.

But here's the beauty, you have the ability to prove us all wrong. Run a tight ship, have the "guts" to tell Jerry to stay out of the locker room. Your dad always had tough nose teams, he just seemed to get too conservative in big games. Learn from that. Practice what you've been saying about bringing the offense into this century. Make a great running game P1. Nothing is a better help to a QB and even a defense than a reliable run game.

Love to be proven wrong. But history is not on your side.

What's it like 10 coaches or something? Not likely he succeeds under Jerry Jones, no coach does except the one coach that got things done before Jerry could put his filthy hands on things.

 

[visionary]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/incoherent

Someone already “disengaged “ does not “need to disengage”

Sounds like English isnt your first language

 

[_sturt_]

Someone already “disengaged “ does not “need to disengage”

Sounds like English isnt your first language

So, you're here. But you've disengaged.

And I'm the one for whom English isn't a first language.

Got it.

 

[Whirlwin]

here's the deal. Based on 30 years of watching Jed and Jethro comfort shop for coaches, we have zero faith in their decision making, hence zero faith in you. Most of us believe you will be a 500 coach that makes Jerry feel good because you're a nice guy. We think, like Wade, the team will just continue to become softer and softer, less and less disciplined with each passing week.

But here's the beauty, you have the ability to prove us all wrong. Run a tight ship, have the "guts" to tell Jerry to stay out of the locker room. Your dad always had tough nose teams, he just seemed to get too conservative in big games. Learn from that. Practice what you've been saying about bringing the offense into this century. Make a great running game P1. Nothing is a better help to a QB and even a defense than a reliable run game.

Love to be proven wrong. But history is not on your side.

Not all of us, needs to have him prove everything .

 

[Whirlwin]

Didn't I just make a post about this yesterday where coaches need to STAND up to Jerry!! I agree man, this is what needs to happen, if you hired me, let me do my job, stay out of my locker. If you tell my players what to do, i'm going to go against what you told them, and I'm going to do it my way! If you fire me, fire me!!! I'll let the other teams know why I got fired! They'll understand!! (It's hard working in those conditions!)

And I said it three years ago if not before that. So, no one’s listening.

 

[JW82]

BTW the mods changed this title. I wouldn't have said ability to prove us wrong. Maybe opportunity to prove us wrong.

 

[Asklesko]

The fanbase is jaded. It knows the schottenheimer hire is nothing but puppetry. Can you blame them?