Schotty's offense will be different that MM. It will be more run based with more play action

They need to seriously address strength and conditioning.

This team turns into a MASH unit every other season. I don't know what they are doing wrong but assume it is something and go from there.
 
Not gonna matter. There may be some improvements next year because of the excitement of the change, but it’ll soon be the same butter soft team we’ve been watching for years.

Schemes aren’t what’s holding this team back, it’s a lack of toughness and physicality.
 
Chasing6 said:
Play action does not work when you can't run the ball.

If we draft a top running back, our run game will be improved by osmosis, if you want to give the credit to BS, go ahead.

Run it back with our same RB's from last year and I would love to see how play action is going to work.
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This isn't 100% true. What makes play action effective is number of run attempts regardless of yards gained.
 
Zman5 said:
This isn't 100% true. What makes play action effective is number of run attempts regardless of yards gained.
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If you can't run the ball, no DB is concerned about the running game. Therefore there is no reason to bite on play action.

If you can't stop the run, then every defensive player has to be committed to stopping it.

It is not rocket science.
 
Chasing6 said:
If you can't run the ball, no DB is concerned about the running game. Therefore there is no reason to bite on play action.

If you can't stop the run, then every defensive player has to be committed to stopping it.

It is not rocket science.
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That's a common myth. There have been many studies done that say otherwise. Players will bite if there are enough attempts.
 
Zman5 said:
Scoring offense.

2018 Seattle 7th
2019 Seattle 9th
2020 Seattle 7th

Total offense (YPG)

2019 Seattle 6th
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Why do people act like Coaches perform at a high level, with crappy players because of their X's and O's.

We have 1 legit WR and a LG on offense. How hard is that to stop on defense? We have so many holes to fill. I would strongly consider drafting OT in round 1 and move Guyton back to RT. Pretty sure Barkley and the Eagles are showing it is not just a passing league any more.

We are going to have to try and out score teams. There is no way we are going to be able to fix our run D threw the draft alone.
 
shabazz said:
I've seen a couple with Jeanty going to us at 12. When an elite RB can be bought for 8-12 million a year, i just don't see taking one in the first round unless the REST of the roster is great.....this roster needs DT, LB and CBs and that's just on defense
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I'd take him because he would easily be the best player available and what it means to have a top back has been shown this year, but if he's not there, I wouldn't mind seeing us trade down slightly and take a DT like Harmon. The more I read, the more I think only one DT is worthy of a top 10 pick, but there are a few in the 18-25 range. If we stick where we are and Jeanty is gone, it's looking like an OL or WR will be the best value, possibly DE.

I'd prefer we get our WR in free agency, and I think after spending a first on an OL last year, I'd rather not repeat that this year. I could be talked into DE, even though we took Kneeland in the second, because we need a second consistent pass-rushing threat. But I don't think the pass rushers will matter much if we can't stop the run. I'd make it my plan to use two of our first three picks on DTs, especially if we don't re-sign Odighizuwa.
 
gimmesix said:
I'd take him because he would easily be the best player available and what it means to have a top back has been shown this year, but if he's not there, I wouldn't mind seeing us trade down slightly and take a DT like Harmon. The more I read, the more I think only one DT is worthy of a top 10 pick, but there are a few in the 18-25 range. If we stick where we are and Jeanty is gone, it's looking like an OL or WR will be the best value, possibly DE.

I'd prefer we get our WR in free agency, and I think after spending a first on an OL last year, I'd rather not repeat that this year. I could be talked into DE, even though we took Kneeland in the second, because we need a second consistent pass-rushing threat. But I don't think the pass rushers will matter much if we can't stop the run. I'd make it my plan to use two of our first three picks on DTs, especially if we don't re-sign Odighizuwa.
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The most expensive positions should be drafted early. This is 1 way of saving money - LT, DE, CB,WR.

I am hoping 3 QB's going in front of us and Geanty. This would insure that someone falls to us in one of those positions.

Osa has to be resigned and DT should be a priority in FA. If no one falls to us I would be happy trading back and picking up Harmon.
 
I believe this team will improve enough to do far better than they were in the running game.

Adding a promising RB and further development of the OL should help them considerably.
 
So Dak started his career running Garrett's offense with Garret as playcaller, a run heavy attack to open up playaction and the occasional deep shot...until Moore shows up, who runs Garrett's offense with more emphasis on the passing attack....until McCarthy cans Moore, and runs his offense with a WCO twist....and now we get Schottenheimer running McCarthy's offense without the WCO twist with more emphasis on the run and playaction....which means we're back to what we had under Garrett....which means we've improved? Schottenheimer had success in Seattle and has been here awhile. I won't knock his offense until I see it in practice, but this really feels like we're chasing our tail.
 
Whiskey Cowboy said:
So Dak started his career running Garrett's offense with Garret as playcaller, a run heavy attack to open up playaction and the occasional deep shot...until Moore shows up, who runs Garrett's offense with more emphasis on the passing attack....until McCarthy cans Moore, and runs his offense with a WCO twist....and now we get Schottenheimer running McCarthy's offense without the WCO twist with more emphasis on the run and playaction....which means we're back to what we had under Garrett....which means we've improved? Schottenheimer had success in Seattle and has been here awhile. I won't knock his offense until I see it in practice, but this really feels like we're chasing our tail.
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Many problems with harking back to 2016 and trying to replicate it in 2025, namely:
- We had Zeke (fair enough we're going to draft an upgrade on the Dowdle/Zeke combo)
- O-Line in 2025 is nowhere near as dominant as in 2016.
- Dak no longer provides an additional running factor.
- As soon as teams go ahead, they will revert to The Blueprint, even sacrifice the run yards, in exchange for not surrendering chunk plays and the Cover-2. As soon as they get to 3rd and mid/long they know there's a good chance there's a "composure throw" is possibly coming

Trying subterfuge doesnt work when opposition teams can see the reasoning behind it.

On WCO/TCO, wasnt that installed as it eradicates Dak's problem with progressions, post snap moving defenses and that he struggles if he doesnt stare down his receiver (possibly due to his inability to read the post-snap defensive pattern.....and so he's throwing into the unknown).

If we want to improve Dak, we need a Defense that's can lock down the score and ensure Dak doesnt have to initiate a comeback.....dont allow teams to sit in coverage.
 
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