Scout Talk: Patrick Peterson DB LSU

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I'll only explain this once because for some reason it rubs some people the wrong way when I repeat it.

This is a column I used to do for various draft sites and will start posting on my blog in February. Typically, this piece is filled with brief quotes, opinions and thoughts on a several prospects but it's rare that I get this much face time to sit down with several scouts and discuss one player.

Over the last 15-20 years I have been lucky enough to not only meet but work with some of the best scouts in the league. They influenced my life and my thoughts on the draft greatly. It's a eye opening and special occasion when anyone including myself get a few minutes to pick the brain of past and current scouts on this years NFL prospects, these are the guys who's opinions influence a teams direction on draft day and ultimately can control a players destination.

I hope you enjoy

Sunday, January 16th, 2011

For what on the surface seems to be a sure fire top 10 choice no player has been openly discussed and evaluated as much as LSU DB Patrick Peterson. No scout I have spoken to has doubted his freakish athletic ability, his hard hitting style nor can they deny his accolades. All American, Thorpe award winner, Bendarik award winner, SEC Defensive player of the year, SEC Special Teams players of the year. His numbers are also equally impressive, As a JR he recorded 42 tackles, 6 pass break up's and 4 INT's despite opposing defenses avoiding him at all cost. He finished with an LSU record 932 kick off return yards and as a punt returner proved to be a game changer with a 16.1 average and 2 TD's. He scored a TD 3 different ways the Tigers recording TD's on a punt return, Int return and a blocked FG.

On the surface it appears Peterson is a lock to be selected in the top 5 of this upcoming draft, for sure a top 10 pick and draft projections around the net support it but more then a few scouts are taking a second look.

Several current scouts feel Peterson is a much better athlete then he will ever be a football player. Some question his instincts, some question his desire in run support but most if not all agree that he is simply not fundamentally a great player and all follow that up with "yet".

Two scouts I spoke to say they believe Patrick is an immediate special teams contributor but is two or three years from being ready to implant himself permanently in a NFL defensive backfield.

Another scout I spoke to expanded on this by saying that his athletic traits allowed him to get away with a lot at the college level and wont translate to the NFL. He went on to say that one knock on Peterson at LSU was that he was too much or a "free roamer" and had trouble grasping and understanding schemes.

A current NFL scout for the Saints told me that Peterson reminds him a lot of former Commanders LB Lavar Arrington. An athletic freak that will never produce as expected due to the simple fact there is no scheme that can contain him.

The over whelming consensus was that Peterson's future in the NFL will be made at safety but his responsibilities will need reduced in order for him use his athletic ability to make plays. The problem being as they said is that as a pure safety he's not the game changer that teams typically look for if they spend a top 10 pick on a safety.

A current Bills scouts explained to me, only 10 Safeties have been taken in the top 15 picks in the NFL draft since 1991, Arguably only two of them can be considered game changers and one lost his life too early. The one thing every one of them have in common is that they had higher draft grades then Peterson currently has. He also went on to point out that the two safeties chosen in last years top 15, Eric Berry and Earl Thomas received two of the highest draft grades for a DB let alone safety that scouts have seen in several years and Berry was chosen 5th while Thomas slipped to 15th. He emphasized, Peterson is no where near the caliber player of those 2.

I finished up by speaking to one scout who team holds a pick in the top 7 selections of the first round, he stated to me that a lot can happen between now and draft day. Players will improve on their 40 time, they will get stronger, they will get more agile and they rehearse their interviews and as always teams will fall in love with numbers but a player is not going to improve on being a football player in that time.

Of the 4 current NFL scouts I spoke to, 2 of them work for teams that have pick in the top 7 selections of the 2011 draft, while one rounds out the top 15 and the other sits at the bottom half of the first round. The consensus was that we may very well see a situation like we had last year with Earl Thomas where you will hear Peterson's name mentioned a lot in the top 10 but will settle in around the middle part of the first round.

Of the 2 former NFL scouts I approached about Peterson, neither felt he was a lock for the top 10 and went on to explain that not only does he not grade out as one of the best safeties in recent memory but evaluating teams in the top 10, it's not they year that those teams have the luxury of investing in a safety.

I found it interesting that not a single one of the scouts I spoke to projected Peterson to CB at the next level and were very clear in stating that there were very few teams who are grading him right now as a CB.

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Thank you for sharing this with us. I, for one, appreciate the insights and opinions that you here from people close to the game.
 
Very Interesting. I guess I will have to settle my man love for him down some. :D

Thanks for sharing the info, it is appreciated. :cool:
 
I've gone back and acquired some game film on both Peterson and Amukamara and taken a look at them for comparison's sake.

Before I was all over Peterson, mostly based on his season from last year ('09), but I do have to say that I think in this draft, Amukamara is the best natural/pure cornerback prospect coming out. He plays the position with a certain fluidity that I'm not sure Peterson has...Peterson seems stiff at times, but that's expected for watching a guy play corner at 225lbs.

It might come as a bit of a shock...but Peterson has big time bust or boom potential. He could be Charles Woodson, or he could be Roy Williams #31.

That being said, I think Brandon Harris has a higher ceiling.

Also - for next year, keep an eye on Jayron Hosley from Virginia Tech. I think the #1 CB prospect title is up for grabs between he and now Janoris Jenkins since he decided to return to school.
 
BrAinPaiNt;3805230 said:
Very Interesting. I guess I will have to settle my man love for him down some. :D

Thanks for sharing the info, it is appreciated. :cool:


I'm having a hard time doing that even after all this.

Maybe it's the bare cupboard we have had in Dallas at safety for so long or maybe I'm making the classic mistake of falling in love with an athlete and numbers.
 
I've been saying this all along. Peterson is not who everyone thinks he is. Everybody seems to think he'll come in and just be a complete shutdown corner. Prince is the better corner. I don't know how people can't see that just by watching them both play for 2 min. I also think he'll flop at safety.

I honestly do not get the infatuation with him. 85% of the people who follow the draft are begging or this guy. In a trade up nonetheless.

Good post. Should have temporarily put it in the fan zone so more people could see.
 
casmith07;3805236 said:
I've gone back and acquired some game film on both Peterson and Amukamara and taken a look at them for comparison's sake.

Before I was all over Peterson, mostly based on his season from last year ('09), but I do have to say that I think in this draft, Amukamara is the best natural/pure cornerback prospect coming out. He plays the position with a certain fluidity that I'm not sure Peterson has...Peterson seems stiff at times, but that's expected for watching a guy play corner at 225lbs.

It might come as a bit of a shock...but Peterson has big time bust or boom potential. He could be Charles Woodson, or he could be Roy Williams #31.

That being said, I think Brandon Harris has a higher ceiling.

Also - for next year, keep an eye on Jayron Hosley from Virginia Tech. I think the #1 CB prospect title is up for grabs between he and now Janoris Jenkins since he decided to return to school.

Prince is a better cover corner. If you take Peterson, you have him jam at the line every time as that where's he can dominate.

Not opposed to PP at all, but I think Prince will make a smoother transistion.
 
CanuckCowboysFan;3805290 said:
I've been saying this all along. Peterson is not who everyone thinks he is. Everybody seems to think he'll come in and just be a complete shutdown corner. Prince is the better corner. I don't know how people can't see that just by watching them both play for 2 min. I also think he'll flop at safety.

I honestly do not get the infatuation with him. 85% of the people who follow the draft are begging or this guy. In a trade up nonetheless.

Good post. Should have temporarily put it in the fan zone so more people could see.

I agree with you 100%. I`ve watched Peterson on a weekly basis and the scouts seem to have noticed the same things that I have. I am sick of all the Peterson love, most coming from fans that have watched very little of his games.
 
You all can change your minds all you want, I am still twitterpated.

Oh and SDogo, Bednarik, not Bendarik.
 
If only Earl Thomas wouldve stayed 1 more year :(.


I'm not a Prince fan either.


Based on everything I know right now I'd go Robert Quinn if given the chance.


I've changed my mind about 4 times already though lol.
 
I'll take Peterson at #9.

BTW, what's the over/under that Peterson doesn't weigh anything close to 225 lbs? I'll take the under.
 
CATCH17;3805498 said:
If only Earl Thomas wouldve stayed 1 more year :(.


I'm not a Prince fan either.


Based on everything I know right now I'd go Robert Quinn if given the chance.


I've changed my mind about 4 times already though lol.

Ryan likes to play a 4-6 ALOT which requires 3 competent OLB's. So realistically he could very well be the pick at 9.
 
CanuckCowboysFan;3805290 said:
I've been saying this all along. Peterson is not who everyone thinks he is. Everybody seems to think he'll come in and just be a complete shutdown corner. Prince is the better corner. I don't know how people can't see that just by watching them both play for 2 min. I also think he'll flop at safety.

I honestly do not get the infatuation with him. 85% of the people who follow the draft are begging or this guy. In a trade up nonetheless.

Good post. Should have temporarily put it in the fan zone so more people could see.

Yep, exactly what I've been saying also. Now, all you PP-lovers can join CCF and I on the Robert Quinn bandwagon. :p:
 
marchetta;3805538 said:
Now, all you PP-lovers can join CCF and I on the Robert Quinn bandwagon. :p:

Peterson = :thumbdo:

Quinn = :bow: :worthy: :worthy2: :clap2: :pray:

You already know Marchetta haha.
 
marchetta;3805538 said:
Yep, exactly what I've been saying also. Now, all you PP-lovers can join CCF and I on the Robert Quinn bandwagon. :p:

Im on board with 1 foot hanging off.


The fact that he is basically a Demarcus Ware clone in the gym and on the field has me sold.


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This was an interesting read. I am not in love with Peterson at CB or as a top 10 pick.

However, I do not count myself in the crowed that believes he will never be a very good Football player. I think he does have a chance to play safety in the NFL. I think he really has to work on his weight because he could out grow that position if he's not careful. The only reason I'm not in favor of a top 10 pick on him is because I absolutely believe he is a Safety and he has never played that position. There are some things he's going to have to learn and he is not an immediate starter there.

JMO
 

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