Scouting

[Galian Beast]

Championship caliber sports teams are generally known for their ability to find talent through their scouting departments.

I think people give our scouting department WAY too much credit for Tony Romo, Miles Austin, Jay Ratliff...

2004 was a flop, 2005 was overrated, 2006 was a flop, 2007 was a flop, i want to think we did well in 2008, but as much as i like martyb, i think drafting a tight end in the 2nd round was really getting cute at that point, right after we had drafted fasano. we drafted felix in the first, and didn't start him..., 2009 was a major flop.

2010 looks promising but other than getting a steal in dez bryant the jury is out.

I don't think you give credit to scouting departments for hitting on 1st round draft picks. These are supposed to be fairly obvious for professional talent evaluators. You give them credit for later draft picks, and we just haven't been hitting on these picks.

 

[Hostile]

Championship caliber sports teams are generally known for their ability to find talent through their scouting departments.

I think people give our scouting department WAY too much credit for Tony Romo, Miles Austin, Jay Ratliff...

2004 was a flop, 2005 was overrated, 2006 was a flop, 2007 was a flop, i want to think we did well in 2008, but as much as i like martyb, i think drafting a tight end in the 2nd round was really getting cute at that point, right after we had drafted fasano. we drafted felix in the first, and didn't start him..., 2009 was a major flop.

2010 looks promising but other than getting a steal in dez bryant the jury is out.

I don't think you give credit to scouting departments for hitting on 1st round draft picks. These are supposed to be fairly obvious for professional talent evaluators. You give them credit for later draft picks, and we just haven't been hitting on these picks.

Wow, you contradicted yourself completely. Too much credit for some players but that is the criteria.

 

[Galian Beast]

I think they get too much credit for hitting on like 3 players is what I mean. They've really screwed the pooch the majority of the time.

And even in the first round there are some glaring misses.

 

[Hostile]

I think they get too much credit for hitting on like 3 players is what I mean. They've really screwed the pooch the majority of the time.

And even in the first round there are some glaring misses.

You're still contradicting yourself.

Bad thread.

 

[Galian Beast]

how did i contradict myself?

 

[Hostile]

how did i contradict myself?

Do you think all teams scouting departments should be judged based on not counting the top 3 low draft picks or UDFAs? Or just the Cowboys?

Dude, this is beyond silly.

 

[Galian Beast]

where did i say they didn't count?

I said that they get too much credit for 3 players, when they've missed on so many more...

no contradiction at all, i guess you were just looking for one.

 

[Hostile]

where did i say they didn't count?

I said that they get too much credit for 3 players, when they've missed on so many more...

no contradiction at all, i guess you were just looking for one.

Every team misses on late round picks and UDFAs.

Honestly...smh.

 

[Galian Beast]

Please reread my post, because I think you just skimmed through it.

We've missed a lot in rounds 1-7. And when we have really hit, usually its been the 1st round, and sorry but thats the most given round in the nfl.

 

[Vintage]

Every team misses on late round draft picks/UDFA.

How many have been able to churn up a top tier QB, top tier WR, and a top tier NT?

I'll pause....

 

[Galian Beast]

I think i see the problem...

I say later than the 1st round, and you read "late rounds"...

 

[ShiningStar]

can you name multiple teams that hit on all their prospects? I mean I am down on our scouting department too, but thats because im not sure what they are told or who they take orders from.

And the whole 09 draft is not impressing anyone. Now i cant say for sure how many other teams miss on a draft with 12 players, but I am hoping other franchises axed their boys too over it.

I just want to say, you know what, Ax em and be done with em and start a new.

 

[arglebargle]

Until someone goes and studies drafts from a bunch of different teams over a long period of time, and presents the results showing better drafting, I'm not going to buy in to it. Too much focus on one team magnifies their strengths and weaknesses in the mind.

Now if you want to analyze 5 or 6 teams' drafts, some good, some bad, and show how their drafting was better than the Cowboys, that might be real interesting.

Until then it just comes across as complainer syndrome.

 

[realtick]

Please reread my post, because I think you just skimmed through it.

We've missed a lot in rounds 1-7. And when we have really hit, usually its been the 1st round, and sorry but thats the most given round in the nfl.

Okay?

What's your starting point and ending point? In other words, what drafts are you speaking of and how far are you willing to go back?

The Cowboys absolutely blew the '09 draft for the most part, but they have been relatively good the past few years.

 

[Vintage]

New England's Drafts

2009
2 - Patrick Chung
2 - Ron Brace
2 - Darius Butler
2 - Sebastian Vollmer
3 - Brandon Tate
3 - Tyrone McKenzie
4 - Rich Orhnberger
5 - George Bussey
6 - Jake Ingram
6 - Myron Pryor
7 - Julian Edelman
7 - Daryl Richard

2008
1 - Jerod Mayo
1 - Spygate forfeiture
2 - Terrence Wheatley
3 - Shawn Crable
3 - Kevin O'Connell
4 - Jonathan Wilhite
5 - Matthew Slater
6 - Bo Ruud

2007
1 - Brandon Meriweather
4 - Kareem Brown
5 - Clint Oldenburg
6 - Justin Rogers
6 - Mike Richardson
6 - Justise Hairston
6 - Corey Hillard
7 - Oscar Lua
7 - Mike Elgin

2006
1 - Laurence Maroney
2 - Chad Jackson
3 - David Thomas
4 - Garrett Mills
4 - Stephen Gostkowski
5 - Ryan O'Callaghan
6 - Jeremy Mincey
6 - Dan Stevenson
6 - Le Kevin Smith
7 - Willie Andrews

 

[realtick]

New England's Drafts


2008
1 - Spygate forfeiture

Best player of the bunch if you ask me...

 

[Galian Beast]

the thing is im never going to know another team like i know the cowboys.

I'm just speaking to general success in sports, and how scouting is attributing to that success.

i know how many players we drafted who became starters, who became good starters, and who became good starters for a number of years, and its not much.

I generally look at 2003 or 2004 and on. I think we did fairly well in 2003. Witten, Newman, James.

But when I look at a draft, I want to see a minimum of 2 long term starters, and 1-2 solid depth players.

A basic draft is 7 players not including udfa. Assuming that all 7 make the team, they make up 13.2% of the full roster. I don't think its too much to ask for 3-4 players per draft actually stick to the team... thats only 5.6% of the team per year.

 

[TheDude]

where did i say they didn't count?

I said that they get too much credit for 3 players, when they've missed on so many more...

no contradiction at all, i guess you were just looking for one.

Sorry...bad. You picked 3 FA and late round picks who are legitimate ALL PROS's, not contributors.

The other's that are scouting credit are
Sam Hurd
McBriar
LaDuceur
James
Crayton
Fasano and 1/2 the Dolhins and Saints

The scouting department fell off in 2007 (interesting) through current.

I do agree that scouting a First rounder is not a stretch when it succeeds, but it is a black mark when it fails - maybe not fair but true

 

[Hostile]

Here is what the OP really means to say.

Everything on our team is sub par and 31 other teams are just fine.

So just agree with him that the scouting department is overrated because of 3 players and he will be giddy.

 

[Randy White]

Championship caliber sports teams are generally known for their ability to find talent through their scouting departments.

I think people give our scouting department WAY too much credit for Tony Romo, Miles Austin, Jay Ratliff... .

Overall #1 pick: Matthew Stafford: six-year, $72 million contract, $42 million guaranteed, including an $18 million signing bonus.

Overall #2 pick Matt Ryan: six-year, $66 million contract, $35 million guaranteed.

Overall #5 ? Pick Mark Sanchez: five-year, $44.5 million contract, $28 million guaranteed.

( 2 #1 draft choices ) Jay Cutler: five-year, $50 million contract, $20 million guaranteed

UFA Tony Romo: 20k signing bonus, minimum salary. After proving himself: a six-year, $67.4 million contract, $30 million guaranteed.


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Overall #3: Chris Long: five-year, $48 million contract, $22 million guaranteed

Overall # 5? Glenn Dorsey: five-year, $33 million contract, $22.5 million guaranteed.

Overall #3: Tyson Jackson: five-year, $57 million contract, $31 million guaranteed.

Overall #8: Derrick Harvey five-year, $23.8 million contract, $17 million guaranteed.

7th round pick: Jay Ratt: original minimum salary plus laughable signing bonus. After proving himself: five-year, $20.5 million, $8 million signing bonus.



Even if the success of our scouting department stops there, which is just a minimum sample of their success, ANY NFL team would take that laughing all the way the bank. A franchise QB, a Pro Bowl explosive receiver, a Pro Bowl NG, all them costing no more than ONE 7th round draft pick, and less than 1 million dollars combined in salaries and bonuses for their first contracts.


Yea, we're giving them too much credit alright..