Scouts agree UT's Young has NFL star quality

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But the question is at which position?

By JOSEPH DUARTE
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle

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[size=-3]Associated Press [/size]
[size=-2]At 6-5, 230 pounds, Vince Young is an exceptional open-field runner with speed, acceleration and cut-and-miss ability.[/size]
AUSTIN — Professional scouts rave about Vince Young's rare gifts, a combination that borders on the unstoppable and unpredictable.

The University of Texas junior quarterback has the moves of a running back and the speed of a wide receiver. Young has been called a righthanded version of Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick because of how difficult he is to defend.

The same pro scouts who dissect — and try to keep up with — his every move on the field spend the same amount of time putting his flaws under the microscope. His inconsistent arm angle and release point are at the top of the list. So are his decisions and touchdown-to-interception ratio.

"Obviously, he's a tremendous athlete, but as a quarterback, he has a long way to go," said Dan Shonka, publisher of Ourlads.com, an Internet scouting service based in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

Young has experienced the high-pressure environment at UT, but expectations are higher than ever going into this season. The Longhorns are forecast to make their most serious national title run in at least two decades. Young's Heisman Trophy candidacy could take off and end before the halfway point of the season. And what about finally beating Oklahoma?

As for his long-term future, Young can't dodge questions about whether he'll turn pro after this season or return in 2006.

His decision — and performance this season — most likely will influence whether he's destined to become an NFL quarterback or the next quarterback-turned-receiver.

"I'm a quarterback for life," he said. "I like guys saying, 'He can't do this, he can't do that.' "

Scouts, who spoke to the Chronicle on condition of anonymity, call Young an exceptional runner in the open field with his blend of speed, acceleration and cut-and-miss ability. None question his leadership ability and many point to Young's five-touchdown Most Valuable Player effort in the Longhorns' Rose Bowl win over Michigan as his coming-out party.

Accuracy a question

Young's accuracy is a concern even though he completed 60 percent of his passes the past two seasons. To correct glitches in his delivery, Young spent part of the offseason working with former NFL co-MVP and mentor Steve McNair of the Tennessee Titans.

UT coach Mack Brown said Young threw with more confidence and velocity than ever in spring workouts. And some scouts want to see how Young responds to losing his best receiver (Roy Williams) and running back (Cedric Benson) in successive years.

"The criticism is not really valid that he's not a good passer," ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. said. "When he makes some bad throws, he makes some really bad throws and is so far off target you wonder if he can play in the NFL. He has to eliminate those awful throws and questionable decisions.

"But whether he creates with his arm or legs, at the end of the day, who cares?"

Pro scouts agree on one thing: There is not a more exciting quarterback in college football than the 6-5 junior from Madison High School. Last season Young became the first Texas quarterback to pass and rush for 1,000 yards in the same season. More importantly, he's a proven winner with a 17-2 record as a starter.

With Texas trailing 35-7 in the first half against Oklahoma State last season, Young engineered the biggest comeback in school history, leading the Longhorns to 49 consecutive points, and he displayed last-minute heroics against Kansas.

Keep 'em guessing

Young is a defensive coordinator's worst nightmare. Game-plan around Young's scrambling ability and he'll show you he's not afraid to throw the deep pass. Or he can simply hand off.

"He's as feared with the ball in his hands as any quarterback in the history of the game," Kiper said. "He's a righthanded Michael Vick. Had there been no Michael Vick, Vince Young would have been the greatest multidimensional quarterback to ever play college football."

The concern among scouts is asking Young to do too much with his legs.

"If he's not an effective passer, it's asking a lot for a quarterback to beat you with his legs," one NFC scout said. "People like for quarterbacks to throw the ball. If he can be effective with his throwing motion, I'm fine with that. (2004 first-round pick) Philip Rivers has a funny throwing motion."

Although Vick possessed a stronger arm than Young at the same stage, at least two scouts say the Pro Bowl quarterback for the Falcons is not a pure passer and is a "work in progress" despite being in the NFL for four seasons.

Draft position might be too early to determine, but Kiper projects Young as a potential first-round pick in 2006 or 2007. Some teams might select Young based solely on his athletic ability, others might take him as a project to refine his quarterbacking skills. Others might attempt to convert him to wide receiver a la Matt Jones, the former Arkansas quarterback taken late in the first round by Jacksonville this spring.

"He may not want to hear this, but he might be a wide receiver in the making," one AFC scout said. "He could project as a wide receiver in our league. But I think first and foremost everybody will give him an opportunity to be a quarterback."

The scout adds Young is on par with any of the top receivers to enter the draft and some of the league's established dual-threat quarterbacks.

Staying or leaving?

Young says his decision whether to enter the NFL draft after this season will be based on several factors. He needs 43 credit hours to complete his degree in education, something he promised his mother, Felicia, he would finish. He'll seek advice from McNair, with whom he has developed a close bond. Some of UT's top players such as Ricky Williams, Roy Williams, Benson and Derrick Johnson have put million-dollar payouts on hold to complete their college eligibility.

"The choice is up to Vince. It's his life," Felicia Young said. "I've told him football won't be there forever. I would prefer for him to finish school and go from there."

The scouts agree.

"It would help Vince to be there two more years at quarterback," Shonka said. "If being an NFL quarterback is what he wants to do, stay at the University of Texas and concentrate on the fundamentals of quarterback play."

joseph.duarte@chron.com

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I've said it before and I'll say it again, he will make a great NFL WR. 6'5'' with 4.4 speed, only guy I can think of with size and speed like that is Randy Moss.
 

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I'm a big UT fan but have been saying for a while now that if Young intends to play the QB position in the Pros then he needs to stay in school and not come out after the 2005 season. He really needs to show some vast improvement in the passing game. Guy is a great athlete but still needs a lot of work to refine his passing skills
 

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He needs to work on his signature dance move though:

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It's no "Icky shuffle" or "mile-high salute". :D
 

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It looks like his footwork needs the most improvement. Sure his delivery looks awkward, but good footwork can overcome a lot of shortcomings. He never seems to step into his throws and has a tendency to fall/lean backwards while throwing. I think he can transition to a good receiver.

He has been to McNairs camp for years with no improvement in his passing. He may be at a point where he just can't get better or perhaps he has never been around an actual good coach. UT isn't known for developing QBs, so he probably hasn't been around a good teaching coach.

Reggie McNeil of A&M came out of Lufkin with a little hitch in his delivery as well. Looks as if he has developed a more compact throwing motion than where he started. He is a very good runner as well. Just smaller than Young.
 

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VY's a special player, a complete joy to watch (unless he's playing my team, of course). I hope he's got the smarts not to press a failing QB bit to the point where he loses focus on being a football player. If he insists on beating his head against a wall too long he'll lose valuable time. I'm sure Antonio Gates would love to be the third guy off the bench for the Knicks now but his pro athlete calling it wasn't.

Don't misconstrue, I'm not convinced he's totally incapable of becoming a good QB; I'm rapidly approaching that point but he can still surprise me.

What he could really use is a big developmental leap by some of the younger guys at WR and maybe an offensive coordinator upgrade. The OC thing is just something I've heard, I haven't seen enough offensive failure on their part to completely concur. Maybe without a dominant back UT will be forced to throw more and VY will sink or swim on that.
 

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As much as people complain about Vick's 'poor' passing ability, he was light years ahead of Young as far as his arm in college.
 

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Sifillest said:
i wouldnt mind having him over henson as one of bledsoes backups

ummm... this is a joke... right?

right?


c'mon... right?
 

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Crown Royal said:
As much as people complain about Vick's 'poor' passing ability, he was light years ahead of Young as far as his arm in college.

Agreed. I'd rather have Reggie McNeal anyways. By the way, when has Young beat Oklahoma? McNeal did that his freshman year. ;)
 

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nooo not a joke at all....cmon the kid is already a playmaker he can refine his throwing!
 

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TruBlueCowboy said:
Agreed. I'd rather have Reggie McNeal anyways. By the way, when has Young beat Oklahoma? McNeal did that his freshman year. ;)
......and when did he beat Texas?
i wouldnt mind having him over henson as one of bledsoes backups
......and while I'm a huge Vince Young fan, there is no way I would take VY over Henson at this point. Henson already has over a year's worth of NFL experience and has actually played in regular season games. VY needs at least a couple more years of developing his passing game before he is ready for the League. Luckily for him, his Godfather is an outstanding mentor.
 

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TruBlueCowboy said:
Agreed. I'd rather have Reggie McNeal anyways. By the way, when has Young beat Oklahoma? McNeal did that his freshman year. ;)

I like McNeal too...but I want to see him this season once more. I think he has a bit more passing ability than Young, but a bit less athletically. We'll see....
 

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I like McNeal too...but I want to see him this season once more. I think he has a bit more passing ability than Young, but a bit less athletically. We'll see....

A bit? That's like saying Michael Jordan has a bit better jumpshot than Shaq. :rolleyes:
 

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well as far as him being over henson, im talking if we had to have a backup come in for one game and create,man ill take vince young....he probably as fast as mike vick and slightly stronger....hell mike vick still cant throw the damn ball accurately!but id put him on our offense!same as vince young!he'd give parcells some ulcers but the kid can create scoring opportunities with his feet alone..and man henson has a year experience in the league as a benchwarmer and understudy....which thus far aint done much for him...
 

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HeavyHitta31 said:
Vick runs a 4.2, VY runs a 4.44

And Reggie McNeal's 40 time is somewhere in between.

Vince Young's running ability isn't about top end speed or really his quickness either. It is his strength and elusiveness. I guess he is a bit deceptively fast because with his height he doesn't look like he is going that fast. He is not slow by any means, but he isn't as fast as Michael Vick appears to be. He is more comparable to Randal Cunningham than Michael Vick.
 
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