Scouts Ranking the offensive linemen; is Brandon Scherff the best?

[RS12]

T.J. Clemmings, Pitt
Measurables: 6-5, 309, 5.14
Fast Fact: Went to now-defunct Paterson Catholic High School
Scouts Say: "He's only played offense for a couple of years, so he's raw. He's kind of a project at this point.'' ..."We're not at high on him as we are on some others. But he's not bad. He's just not ready yet.'' ..."He's an athlete, as athletic an any of them. (He turned down basketball offers from Seton Hall and Providence.) But he's going to need time.''..."He's still developing. If you're a team that can afford to wait, you're going to get a good player.''

La'el Collins, LSU
Measurables: 6-4 1/2, 305, 5.12
Fast Fact:Was LSU's MVP
Scouts Say: "He's a guard. He played left tackle in school, but he's a guard here.'' ..."I like him at guard. He's big and powerful and has a little nasty to him, too. That's a good thing.'' ..."Big and strong, very talented. He's got good size and good strength. He'll be a real good guard.'' ..."You might want to try him at tackle and see how he looks. If it doesn't work move him to guard. He's going to be a good player.''

Cam Erving, Florida State
Measurables: 6-5, 313, 5.15
Fast Fact: Played T, G and C in college
Scouts Say: "He's best at center, that's what he'll be. He'll be a very solid NFL center. I don't like him much at tackle; and he's not strong enough to be a guard.'' ..."He's not a very good technician outside. I like him better at either guard or center.'' ..."I like that he's versatile. He can play anywhere. It's up to you to find out where he fits best.'' ..."Very smart and very instinctive, moving to center was the best thing for him. I think he can come and start at center right away.''

http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/04/2015_nfl_draft_ranking_the_offensive_linemen_is_br.html

 

[RS12]

If Peat or Flowers were there it should be given serious consideration

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Can anyone find what the wrote about Zack Martin last year? Would like to read it

 

[reddyuta]

If Peat or Flowers were there it should be given serious consideration

Agreed. I like Peat and Flowers at RT,Flowers need a year to work on his technique though.

 

[bodi]

http://withthefirstpick.com/2014/01/20/2014-nfl-draft-scouting-report-zack-martin-ot-notre-dame/

heres one

After not playing during his freshman year, Martin has started every single game since ending with a total of 52 games in his career.

Martin is an extremely effective technical left tackle for the Irish and excels in large part because of it. He is not an overwhelming athlete and uses his understanding of the game to play at a much higher level. Between his understanding of angles, how well he mirrors, and hand technique, Martin seems to do everything in his power to compensate for his weaknesses. While Martin is not slow footed, he is not great at sliding to the far outside to protect the edge. He has improved his strength in his final year, allowing him to be a more effective and attractive NFL player. Martin projects as a top 75 pick that could get looked at as a tackle or a high level left guard. If linemen start flying off the shelves, which has been happening in recent years, Martin could end up flirting with the first round

Run Blocking

Martin does not have an overwhelming amount of power but he is able to compensate for it because he fires off of the ball so hard that he creates momentum quickly and generates power. With that, Martin appears to play with a ton of emotion and seems to have the ability to really get himself fired up to block for the run. As a result, Martin looks like a bull attacking defensive linemen. When he is right, which is more often than not, he locks on and just drives and goes until the whistle blows.

There are a couple risks with how Martin run blocks and they occasionally show up but not as often as one might think. The first is that Martin can occasionally miss his mark and not hit the target flush which opens up a lane for the opponent to attack the ball carrier. This is extremely rare as Martin does a great job of consistently taking good angles and using his hands well. The other is that defensive lineman will occasionally get him leaning too far forward and use a quick move to get past him. Especially going to the NFL, this could pop up more often, but again, he seems to be effective enough with his technique that he avoids it happening too often.

For as hard as he fires off of the ball, Martin has good body control and is able to gather himself quickly. Martin can help with a double team, attacking with full force to help his guard establish control of a block, then turn and go get another opponent with every bit of energy he had on the first block, lock on, and drive that player off of the ball.

The intensity he brings and the pure passion he brings with that effort make him extremely enjoyable to watch as he does it as well. It seems characteristic of a player who has always been slightly undersized and had to play like that to survive and excel. His style of play appears to have been born from necessity and as he adds the power to be a legitimate NFL player, if he maintains that style and attitude, he could be scary. Not only is that great for Martin, but it sets a tone for the rest of the offensive line as well as the rest of the locker room in terms of effort, which is always good to have.

Martin is an effective player when it comes to getting to the second level and making the block on the second level defender. His use of angles and his speed going forward makes him extremely effective and has the ability to catch some defenders a little by surprise. He is also able to pull if needed and kick out to lead block on the outside.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

http://withthefirstpick.com/2014/01/20/2014-nfl-draft-scouting-report-zack-martin-ot-notre-dame/

heres one

After not playing during his freshman year, Martin has started every single game since ending with a total of 52 games in his career.

Martin is an extremely effective technical left tackle for the Irish and excels in large part because of it. He is not an overwhelming athlete and uses his understanding of the game to play at a much higher level. Between his understanding of angles, how well he mirrors, and hand technique, Martin seems to do everything in his power to compensate for his weaknesses. While Martin is not slow footed, he is not great at sliding to the far outside to protect the edge. He has improved his strength in his final year, allowing him to be a more effective and attractive NFL player. Martin projects as a top 75 pick that could get looked at as a tackle or a high level left guard. If linemen start flying off the shelves, which has been happening in recent years, Martin could end up flirting with the first round

Run Blocking

Martin does not have an overwhelming amount of power but he is able to compensate for it because he fires off of the ball so hard that he creates momentum quickly and generates power. With that, Martin appears to play with a ton of emotion and seems to have the ability to really get himself fired up to block for the run. As a result, Martin looks like a bull attacking defensive linemen. When he is right, which is more often than not, he locks on and just drives and goes until the whistle blows.

There are a couple risks with how Martin run blocks and they occasionally show up but not as often as one might think. The first is that Martin can occasionally miss his mark and not hit the target flush which opens up a lane for the opponent to attack the ball carrier. This is extremely rare as Martin does a great job of consistently taking good angles and using his hands well. The other is that defensive lineman will occasionally get him leaning too far forward and use a quick move to get past him. Especially going to the NFL, this could pop up more often, but again, he seems to be effective enough with his technique that he avoids it happening too often.

For as hard as he fires off of the ball, Martin has good body control and is able to gather himself quickly. Martin can help with a double team, attacking with full force to help his guard establish control of a block, then turn and go get another opponent with every bit of energy he had on the first block, lock on, and drive that player off of the ball.

The intensity he brings and the pure passion he brings with that effort make him extremely enjoyable to watch as he does it as well. It seems characteristic of a player who has always been slightly undersized and had to play like that to survive and excel. His style of play appears to have been born from necessity and as he adds the power to be a legitimate NFL player, if he maintains that style and attitude, he could be scary. Not only is that great for Martin, but it sets a tone for the rest of the offensive line as well as the rest of the locker room in terms of effort, which is always good to have.

Martin is an effective player when it comes to getting to the second level and making the block on the second level defender. His use of angles and his speed going forward makes him extremely effective and has the ability to catch some defenders a little by surprise. He is also able to pull if needed and kick out to lead block on the outside.

I can find those write ups...I was looking for these ones where anonymous scouts give little blurbs about him or basically the same blurbs from the article above....sorry should have been more specific.

 

[DBOY3141]

I'm a little shocked they haven't at least talked to some of these guys. If Flowers/Cummings/Humphries who most view as 1st rounders falls to them and they can't trade and pick someone like OO or Ajaji who most view as mid to late 2nd rounders, I think the board may blow up on draft night.

 

[AzorAhai]

La'el Collins seems to be lower on boards now and may end up being on the board at 27. If he's there and no Gurley I'm taking him. Im not high on Flowers or Peat. I want a more athletic OT in this ZB scheme and those guys need time to develop also. If I'm drafing an OT to sit and learn its TJ Clemmings. He has as much upside as any OT with athletic ability to spare.

 

[reddyuta]

I'm a little shocked they haven't at least talked to some of these guys. If Flowers/Cummings/Humphries who most view as 1st rounders falls to them and they can't trade and pick someone like OO or Ajaji who most view as mid to late 2nd rounders, I think the board may blow up on draft night.

This would piss me off because a swing tackle is absolutely a need for us.

 

[DBOY3141]

This would piss me off because a swing tackle is absolutely a need for us.

Yep, but I'm guessing with no visits and Stephen's comment about putting money on the defensive side of the ball, the chances of an OL in the 1st is slim to none.

 

[reddyuta]

Yep, but I'm guessing with no visits and Stephen's comment about putting money on the defensive side of the ball, the chances of an OL in the 1st is slim to none.

I think getting an OT for 5 years and for peanuts makes great financial sense,I just hope they stay true to their board.

 

[xwalker]

I'm a little shocked they haven't at least talked to some of these guys. If Flowers/Cummings/Humphries who most view as 1st rounders falls to them and they can't trade and pick someone like OO or Ajaji who most view as mid to late 2nd rounders, I think the board may blow up on draft night.

I wonder how they decide on which players to bring in for visits. With only 30 possible national visits they can't bring in everyone they're interesting in drafting.

I assume that feel comfortable with some players based on stand psych evals they get and/or feedback from college coaches.

 

[DBOY3141]

I wonder how they decide on which players to bring in for visits. With only 30 possible national visits they can't bring in everyone they're interesting in drafting.

I assume that feel comfortable with some players based on stand psych evals they get and/or feedback from college coaches.

My opinion is they bring them in by need. Right now it looks like most visits are from CB/RB/DE. Those are the 3 biggest needs to most folks looking at the Cowboys roster.

I would think, as you have stated, that the are probably gun shy after the Mo draft, to take someone in the 1st that they have not met with personally and rely on an eval or a college coach, regardless of how well you know them. They seem to have a great relationship with Les Miles, so it sure doesn't look like he spoke of Mo in a bad light.

 

[DBOY3141]

I think getting an OT for 5 years and for peanuts makes great financial sense,I just hope they stay true to their board.

I would too, I know they just signed Free but he's 30 and the last two years has had surgeries. If Flowers is rated a 1st and sitting there, then take him.

 

[DFWJC]

I'm a little shocked they haven't at least talked to some of these guys. If Flowers/Cummings/Humphries who most view as 1st rounders falls to them and they can't trade and pick someone like OO or Ajaji who most view as mid to late 2nd rounders, I think the board may blow up on draft night.

There's a real chance a good lineman, or maybe WR, does end up being BPA at 27. If they're the only ones left in that tier grouping on our board then I'd look to trade down. If no trade dwon options are any good, then go for it.
However, a guy like L Collins or Peat may be just worth snagging regardless of trade options.

I don't think Cummings or Humphries could help us much this year and I'm not even sure Humphries would be BPA in any scenario at 27 for us.

 

[tm1119]

I still think Donovan Smith has all the makings of a perfect RT who could also be a very good guard. If he's still on the board in the 3rd (which I doubt) I hope we take him.

 

[JohnsKey19]

We sure hit gold on Martin last year. He is the standard for all OG prospects the next 10+ years.

 

[xwalker]

I still think Donovan Smith has all the makings of a perfect RT who could also be a very good guard. If he's still on the board in the 3rd (which I doubt) I hope we take him.

Agree.

 

[Sasquatch]

If Peat or Flowers were there it should be given serious consideration

I think so. Smith, too, a little later.

 

[burmafrd]

would love to take another O lineman in the first. Just to watch the frothing of the mouth of the mediots and idiots here.