Sean Payton

[Jimz31]

Payton is constantly coming up with plays, designed plays to attack....to cause mismatches.

If you watch many of their games you just look at some of the routes that they have and just hope that our coaching staff is watching what they are doing.

I noticed the same thing last year with the Cardinals.

Having said that, you have to have the players that can execute what the play was designed to do....also setting up the defense.

We saw it a couple of weeks ago when Romo came to the sidelines saying that he couldn't believe that it was just like they drew up....I had mixed feelings when he said that....one I was happy with it....on the other hand, why was he surprised?

You know, that sort of thing.

We have the QB that can get it done....no doubt in my mind. Now, we just need th o-line to give him and the receivers TIME to run their routes. We need RW to run his routes correctly so that Romo can trust him.

 

[mldardy]

Ok. Let's try to revisit this silly discussion at the end of the year. Cool?

I mean if he wins the Super Bowl I will give him all the credit but I am not going to give him credit for winning a playoff game. That's not going to make me think we should have tried to keep Payton. Like you said, let's just see how their season plays out.

 

[Bleu Star]

Brees is constantly coming up with plays, designed plays to attack....to cause mismatches.

If you watch many of their games you just look at some of the routes that they have and just hope that our coaching staff is watching what they are doing.

I noticed the same thing last year with the Cardinals.

Having said that, you have to have the players that can execute what the play was designed to do....also setting up the defense.

We saw it a couple of weeks ago when Romo came to the sidelines saying that he couldn't believe that it was just like they drew up....I had mixed feelings when he said that....one I was happy with it....on the other hand, why was he surprised?

You know, that sort of thing.

We have the QB that can get it done....no doubt in my mind. Now, we just need th o-line to give him and the receivers TIME to run their routes. We need RW to run his routes correctly so that Romo can trust him.

Jimz. You're completely wrong bro. By the accounts of some here, Brees designs the plays. Brees carefully crafts the gameplan after creating the plays and instilling the philosophy in his teammates. I went ahead and fixed your post for you.

 

[Jimz31]

Jimz. You're completely wrong bro. By the accounts of some here, Brees designs the plays. Brees carefully crafts the gameplan after creating the plays and instilling the philosophy in his teammates. I went ahead and fixed your post for you.

LOL...PLEEEEZE change it back...someone on here will think that I actually think that Brees is the one creating the plays.

Nah, leave it. Brees just may be a Offensive Coordinator in the future.

I still maintain there needs to be an OC school....learn how a game flows and how to call it and how to create mismatches, etc....I hate the OJT stuff.

 

[Eskimo]

Payton is constantly coming up with plays, designed plays to attack....to cause mismatches.

If you watch many of their games you just look at some of the routes that they have and just hope that our coaching staff is watching what they are doing.

I noticed the same thing last year with the Cardinals.

Having said that, you have to have the players that can execute what the play was designed to do....also setting up the defense.

We saw it a couple of weeks ago when Romo came to the sidelines saying that he couldn't believe that it was just like they drew up....I had mixed feelings when he said that....one I was happy with it....on the other hand, why was he surprised?

You know, that sort of thing.

We have the QB that can get it done....no doubt in my mind. Now, we just need th o-line to give him and the receivers TIME to run their routes. We need RW to run his routes correctly so that Romo can trust him.

RW has been in the league 6 years and he still can't run routes properly. This problem can't be fixed right now - he'll just have to do what he is comfortable doing. If he is too limited we need to get Ogletree some more snaps because he would bring a dimension of quickness that this receiving core desperately lacks. Unfortunately, Garrett doesn't trust young players (see his lack of usage of Bennett, Felix, Choice, Austin over the last two years) so he would rather run Roy out there and aski him to do things he cannot do while Miles gets locked down by double coverage.

Garrett is stubborn as a mule. I think he needs to be fired - just like Sean Payton. That will give him a chance to learn from his mistakes and mature as a coach.

 

[SuspectCorner]

Wasn't it Payton who pestered Parcells to sign the undrafted Romo in the first place?

And didn't Sean Payton attempt to wrest Tony Romo from Dallas right after he took the Saints gig?

Wouldn't it be cool if the guy, arguably, most responsible for Tony's NFL career - was repaid with the Saints first 'L' of 2009?

 

[Eskimo]

Wasn't it Payton who pestered Parcells to sign the undrafted Romo in the first place?

And didn't Sean Payton attempt to wrest Tony Romo from Dallas right after he took the Saints gig?

Wouldn't it be cool if the guy, arguably, most responsible for Tony's NFL career - was repaid with the Saints first 'L' of 2009?

If I remember people here scoffed at the idea that Payton would offer us a second rounder for Romo. Could you imaging having Brees and Romo on the same team?

 

[RainMan]

I do think we let one of the better play callers get away. I like him as a head coach, but I'm not sure I'm rueing the loss of him as a head coaching prospect as much as I am the play caller. There are a lot of head coaches in this league with middling success who, after a few seasons, were just another guy. Look at what's happening to Lovie. So far in Payton's tenure they've been up, down and up. A Super Bowl win, and I might be rueing the total package.

With that said, what's there really to rue? Were we going to fire Parcells to keep him? No. It's no different than when some of our assistants got away when Jimmy was here. You're not going to fire the top dog to keep an underling. It's not as if Parcells left and we chose Wade over Payton.

 

[Bleu Star]

I do think we let one of the better play callers get away. I like him as a head coach, but I'm not sure I'm rueing the loss of him as a head coaching prospect as much as I am the play caller. There are a lot of head coaches in this league with middling success who, after a few seasons, were just another guy. Look at what's happening to Lovie. So far in Payton's tenure they've been up, down and up. A Super Bowl win, and I might be rueing the total package.

With that said, what's there really to rue? Were we going to fire Parcells to keep him? No. It's no different than when some of our assistants got away when Jimmy was here. You're not going to fire the top dog to keep an underling. It's not as if Parcells left and we chose Wade over Payton.

So we offfer Garrett millions to exist as OC with an under the table promise to one day hand him the HC? Same difference to me... If we can do it for Garrett under Wade we could have done the same for Payton under Parcells... There's something to be said for investing in your future. A little consistency from Jerry would go a long way.

 

[Bleu Star]

speaking of great combinations... Mickey Loomis and Sean Payton. Those guys have assembled the right combination of players (offense "and defense")and have their team dialed in right now. I could have easily replaced Mickey Loomis with Jerry Jones but oh well... I'm such a ruer.

 

[lcharles]

I am in rueing rehab. :rake:

 

[Boyzmamacita]

So we offfer Garrett millions to exist as OC with an under the table promise to one day hand him the HC? Same difference to me... If we can do it for Garrett under Wade we could have done the same for Payton under Parcells... There's something to be said for investing in your future. A little consistency from Jerry would go a long way.

Hindsight is 20/20. Neither you nor anyone else thought Payton was all that when he left for the Saints. Hell, the Giants took his playcalling duties away when they had him. How soon we forget. He's having success now. Good for him. But there's nothing to rue. Our offense wasn't exactly great when he was here, was it?

 

[burmafrd]

When he left Payton had nowhere near the rep that Garrett had after 07. BP thought he was ready and would be a good HC but not a whole lot of people really thought so. NO was lucky in that they finally did something right. And then of course Payton went out and got Brees. HC and QB- if you got them then everything else will come later.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

We are 8-3.

 

[DFWJC]

he's not that different than Jason Garrett

young, considered to be a brilliant offensive mind

yet Payton never had the success as soon as Garrett has had

Sean Peyton is much more outgoing and energetic and motivational than Garrett. Those are all huge coaching qualites. They are very different in that manner.

 

[Bleu Star]

Sean Peyton is much more outgoing and energetic and motivational than Garrett. Those are all huge coaching qualites. They are very different in that manner.

Exactly. Some people see it and others don't. Loomis saw it.

 

[Bleu Star]

Hindsight is 20/20.

Sure it is. Hindsight also belongs to the person that's slow to react.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

You act like we actually had a shot to keep him. Were we offering a HC spot at the time? As I recall we had BP here and there was no indication he'd be leaving anytime soon at that point. So it's not like we actually let this guy go. He had an HC offer that we couldn't match here.

I doubt, very seriously, you were calling for Jerry to fire BP at that time just so we could keep Peyton here.

 

[Bleu Star]

You act like we actually had a shot to keep him. Were we offering a HC spot at the time? As I recall we had BP here and there was no indication he'd be leaving anytime soon at that point. So it's not like we actually let this guy go. He had an HC offer that we couldn't match here.

I doubt, very seriously, you were calling for Jerry to fire BP at that time just so we could keep Peyton here.

Once again, let me reiterate for those that take more than one crack to get it...

So we offfer Garrett millions to exist as OC with an under the table promise to one day hand him the HC? Same difference to me... If we can do it for Garrett under Wade we could have done the same for Payton under Parcells... There's something to be said for investing in your future. A little consistency from Jerry would go a long way.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

The massive difference there being that Jerry has said that he's had his eye on having Garrett here since he became a coach. He was never going to let Jason leave after he got him here.

But I can see your point on the theory of it. They're not nearly the same situation though cause with Wade there is always the chance that Jerry could part ways with him but he probably wasn't going to get rid of BP unless BP just did horrible.