Sean Taylor Case Update - 3 Detained In Homicide

[justbob]

Everyone wants the knife to be a sign --maybe it is -maybe not.. People
would be surprised at what is left in a crime scene... I am not from the hood
,so I will not argue if it was a sign or not..

It is not uncommon for people to break in the same place twice And leave
something when they do --crime scene analysis is based on something being left and something being taken when someone comes into a scene
It is not uncommon for burglars to break in thinking the place will be empty
and it is not


Everything that happened in this scene(and much of the info we don't have)
can be used to build a case for what ever conspircy you want.

the truth --a young man is dead and we can guess all we want --a reconstruction of the events and the truth can not be determined from the info we have--

 

[LarryCanadian]

Yeah, the lack of an alarm thing, ESPECIALLY after a break in the week before with a knife left on the bed, kinda blows me away.

As for the house etc, like I said, I don't know enough about it, particularly the surrounding area.

So much weirdness in the whole thing. Just doesn't seem random when it adds up. From what I have read most deaths like this aren't 'random'. Often it's someone the family knows etc.

Larry

 

[justbob]

Yeah, the lack of an alarm thing, ESPECIALLY after a break in the week before with a knife left on the bed, kinda blows me away.

As for the house etc, like I said, I don't know enough about it, particularly the surrounding area.

So much weirdness in the whole thing. Just doesn't seem random when it adds up. From what I have read most deaths like this aren't 'random'. Often it's someone the family knows etc.

Larry

80% plus of homicides are commited by someone known to the victim ..
The other are serial or buglaries gone bad etc---They had a reason for the alarm not being set --but it may have not gone off due to the lan line being
cut

 

[dogberry]

Mr. Taylor should have had his girl friend purchase a shotgun. If he had to use it to defend his family, he might still be alive, and at worst in the hands of a sympathetic jury rather than dead.

 

[Nightstalker]

Yeah, your right. the lines were cut. I forgot about that. But I think that evan if the lines were cut the alarm will still go out. I'm sure alarm companies have thought of that...or maybe not.

We paint our own scenarios but one thing is for sure. This was not random.

 

[Broohaha]

Everyone wants the knife to be a sign --maybe it is -maybe not.. People
would be surprised at what is left in a crime scene... I am not from the hood
,so I will not argue if it was a sign or not..

It is not uncommon for people to break in the same place twice And leave
something when they do --crime scene analysis is based on something being left and something being taken when someone comes into a scene
It is not uncommon for burglars to break in thinking the place will be empty
and it is not


Everything that happened in this scene(and much of the info we don't have)
can be used to build a case for what ever conspircy you want.

the truth --a young man is dead and we can guess all we want --a reconstruction of the events and the truth can not be determined from the info we have--

folks, there was no knife left on his pillow. it was a kitchen knife left on his mom's pillow that was used to pry stuff open. i've read the police report. ithere was no sinister message behind this. it was just a bunch of amateur theives who thought they could steal a rich athlete's stuff. unfortunately, the rich athlete was at home with an injury.

 

[justbob]

Yeah, your right. the lines were cut. I forgot about that. But I think that evan if the lines were cut the alarm will still go out. I'm sure alarm companies have thought of that...or maybe not.

We paint our own scenarios but one thing is for sure. This was not random.

depends on the company and if there is a dedicated line --if not then
the alarm is dead

random how ---Sean picked out to be burglarized or murdered :bang2:

We only guessing

 

[zrinkill]

Not trying to be funny but I actually wondered if anybody even thought OJ Simpson might be a suspect. He lives in the area and definetely has a history of killing people and robbery. Police need to check his wherabouts on Monday Morning....

now this troll is making jokes about a murder

 

[justbob]

folks, there was no knife left on his pillow. it was a kitchen knife left on his mom's pillow that was used to pry stuff open. i've read the police report. ithere was no sinister message behind this. it was just a bunch of amateur theives who thought they could steal a rich athlete's stuff. unfortunately, the rich athlete was at home with an injury.

thank-you ---once again --we have never had all the info :bang2:

 

[firehawk350]

I might be bringing up a different scenario but i'll sare....

First time someone broke in, they left a kitchen knife, or whatever on his bed. What? I forgot to take it or put it back! In the hood this is a sign for "I'm gonna get ya". I agree that he has turning his life around but the truth is, he was still in his hood. He knew there was danger and said to himself, "this is my house and my hood and I am not going anywhere"

So I imagine that you are from the hood?

Would it make a difference that Taylor had a weapon and was willing to defend himself and his family?

It would if he wasn't in his home. If you were in an altercation (and didn't brandish a gun to begin with) and somebody grabbed a knife to come at you, then you grabbed a gun to shoot him, there's a good case for self-defense, even if you "started the fight". Though, you'd probably get slapped with the original assault charges. Kinda a bit of a grey area though anyways.

I have never understood how that should play a role in the perpetrators penalty. I mean, particularly in the US where the Constitution gives the right to bear arms (I always thought this to be partially intended to protect one's family). Now if you go outside to confront a robber that's one thing, but if you are in your bedroom with a wife and child and have a weapon, does this change the potential charge against intruders?

Right now, I imagine the charges are still murder (probably in the second degree, if it was random and they didn't come in with the intent of killing anybody), breaking and entering, maybe some kind of illegal firearms charge, discharging a firearm within city limits and robbery. If I'm right, murder coupled with a felony can garner the death sentence. If these guys are amateurs then chances are they'll plea to something lesser and escape the death sentence but spend a couple of decades (at least) in the slammer.

You hate to speculate in tragic events like this, but most robbers I have ever read about don't go into bedrooms in the middle of the night brandishing a weapon. Seems really strange. Perhaps the intruders were doing this for the first time, but it doesn't make a lot of sense.

Gun culture in the south is pretty big. A lot of people carry. They may not have had the weapon out either, they may have drawn it when they saw taylor with the knife and that would explain the low shot.

I was annoyed how this was portrayed from the beginning as a robbery or burglary (what's the difference) gone bad? The result is murder. Breaking a window and stealing a DVD player from the basement is a robbery.

That's the exact difference. Robbery is using force to take something (or the threat of force) where burglary is just stealing something. Somebody steals something out of an unattended car, that's burglary. Somebody mugs you, that's robbery.

Going into someone's bedroom with a brandished and loaded gun is murder if you ask me. Doesn't make sense to me unless they were totally unaware anyone was home OR wanted to get info from the Taylors, whatever. I sure hope the police are looking at it from a Murder angle and aren't guessing this is a bungled heist.

It still is murder. You can have multiple charges. The police have to look at it from both angles, since you solve one crime, you solve the other. And if there were more than one perp, both are on the hook for murder. You don't have to pull the trigger to be guilty.

When you heard about Saddam and how he was on trial for 10000 counts of murder (or something crazy like that) because he gassed the kurds, he wasn't just on trial for murdering 10000 people, he was actually on trial for murder 10000 times (just tried all at the same time). If they can prove he murdered one person, he will be found guilty of murder. So technically, he was found guilty 10000 times.

 

[HTownCowboysFan]

Just saw this.....some details.

http://www.miamiherald.com/854/story/326894.html#recent_comm


3 detained in Sean Taylor homicide

Posted on Fri, Nov. 30, 2007


BY MANNY GARCIA AND DAVID OVALLE

dovalle@miamiherald.com

Miami-Dade detectives have detained at least three people in Lee County for questioning in the death of Washington Commanders football star Sean Taylor.
Investigators believe the young men learned of Taylor's house through someone who unwittingly set up the burglary by bragging about the football star's wealth.
The suspects include a teenager and two men in their 20s who hail from the Fort Myers area.
The former University of Miami star was not supposed to be home. While the Commanders played in Tampa, he had come home to get a second medical opinion on his injured knee.
Florida Department of Law Enforcement agents and Miami-Dade homicide detectives picked up the young men Friday morning.
Taylor was shot early Monday by an intruder who surprised him in the bedroom of his Palmetto Bay home. He wielded a machete as he tried to protect his fiancee, Jackie Garcia, and their 18-month-old baby girl. The two were hiding under the covers as Taylor was shot. One bullet pierced the wall. The other struck Taylor in the groin, severing his femoral artery and causing massive blood loss. He died later at Jackson Memorial Hospital.

That's just up. You know, the guy was turning it around, and he goes down like this. What a waste.

 

[iceberg]

Is that why they busted in the bedroom door and didn't take anything?

I'm just asking...

if you just shot someone, you going to start filling up your pillowcase or haul tail outta there?

just saying...

 

[firehawk350]

Probably didn't even know they hit Taylor, just shot and ran without confirming a hit. If these are amateur thieves as reported, they probably were more scared about Taylor dying than anyone not in the family.

Had a friend work in a prison, and said most of those guys in there are relatively normal people (troublesome people, but not the horrible people we typically would think of), they just got in a situation that they couldn't control and escalated way too fast.

 

[Kangaroo]

Would it make a difference that Taylor had a weapon and was willing to defend himself and his family?

I have never understood how that should play a role in the perpetrators penalty. I mean, particularly in the US where the Constitution gives the right to bear arms (I always thought this to be partially intended to protect one's family). Now if you go outside to confront a robber that's one thing, but if you are in your bedroom with a wife and child and have a weapon, does this change the potential charge against intruders?

LarryCanadian

In the state of Texas it is legal to go outside and confront them. Ask the two burglars robbing his next door neighbor here in the Houston area problem is you can not they tried to get cute and ended up dead.

We had another guy trying to break in and was shot by the home owner.

By the way Texas is a frontier state we have concealed handguns and we just passed a law where armed security guards are allowed to carry their weapon off duty now to. It is also legal to drive with a loaded rifle in display of your car. yep that redneck with that deer rifle in the back rack of his pickup is legal

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

now this troll is making jokes about a murder

the fact OJ was probably in Las Vegas facing his other charges obviously didn't factor into the troll's thought process.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

They deserve either life in prison or the death penalty...

 

[arglebargle]

In the state of Texas it is legal to go outside and confront them. Ask the two burglars robbing his next door neighbor here in the Houston area problem is you can not they tried to get cute and ended up dead.

We had another guy trying to break in and was shot by the home owner.

By the way Texas is a frontier state we have concealed handguns and we just passed a law where armed security guards are allowed to carry their weapon off duty now to. It is also legal to drive with a loaded rifle in display of your car. yep that redneck with that deer rifle in the back rack of his pickup is legal

Of course, that guy in Texas may get charged. Or maybe not.

But security guards?? That makes me feel so much better. /sarcasm

I have a friend who shoots IDP, and he told me the police who show up there are pretty poor shots, and don't react well to the real life situations used. And security guards don't even get the cursory police training.

Now if these guys who've gotten nabbed in the Taylor case really were just burgling the place (with a shotgun?) and just popped off with it when someone showed up, they are just dumber than a rock. Very sad.

 

[DallasInDC]

You hate to speculate in tragic events like this, but most robbers I have ever read about don't go into bedrooms in the middle of the night brandishing a weapon. Seems really strange. Perhaps the intruders were doing this for the first time, but it doesn't make a lot of sense.

I was annoyed how this was portrayed from the beginning as a robbery or burglary (what's the difference) gone bad? The result is murder. Breaking a window and stealing a DVD player from the basement is a robbery.

Going into someone's bedroom with a brandished and loaded gun is murder if you ask me. Doesn't make sense to me unless they were totally unaware anyone was home OR wanted to get info from the Taylors, whatever. I sure hope the police are looking at it from a Murder angle and aren't guessing this is a bungled heist.

Stupid, tragic, and terrible, regardless.

LarryCanadian

Actually there is a big difference between a Robbery and a Burglary:

FL Law legal definition of Robbery:

Florida law defines the offense of robbery as the taking of

another's property by "the use of force, violence, assault, or

putting in fear." Fla. Stat. § 812.13(1).

versus,

Legal Definition of Burglary:

For offenses committed after July 1, 2001, "burglary" means:


1. Entering a dwelling, a structure, or a conveyance with the intent to commit an offense therein, unless the premises are at the time open to the public or the defendant is licensed or invited to enter; or

2. Notwithstanding a licensed or invited entry, remaining in a dwelling, structure, or conveyance:

a. Surreptitiously, with the intent to commit an offense therein;

b. After permission to remain therein has been withdrawn, with the intent to commit an offense therein; or c. To commit or attempt to commit a forcible felony, as defined in s. 776.08.

So my layman's interpretation of the two codes. A robbery is the intent steal personal property through the use of force or fear. Whereas, a burglary is the unauthorized act of breaking into a private property with the intent to commit a crime, which could include a number of different type of offenses, such as assult, murder, theft, rape, theft, etc. Based on this, the terms cannot be used synomonously.

According to the article, the Police are classifying this as a burglary which still does not give any indication of motive. They could have broken in to steal or kill/assault or both

 

[LarryCanadian]

Thanks Dallas. I wasn't being sarcastic about asking for the difference in case it came across that way. I really wanted to know the legal definition difference, so thanks!

I was miffed that the initial reports all suggested this was only a robbery/burglary. As far as I'm concerned, someone breaks into your house with a handgun and shoots you, that is at least attempted murder or manslaughter, no matter what the "intention" was in the first place. Seems stupid. I mean stealing a dvd player and some jewlery in an empty house is one thing, shooting someone in their bedroom while a baby and wife are in the bed is another! Hence my sarcasm.

This is just a brutal and senseless situation.

LarryCanadian

 

[Kangaroo]

Of course, that guy in Texas may get charged. Or maybe not.

But security guards?? That makes me feel so much better. /sarcasm

I have a friend who shoots IDP, and he told me the police who show up there are pretty poor shots, and don't react well to the real life situations used. And security guards don't even get the cursory police training.

Now if these guys who've gotten nabbed in the Taylor case really were just burgling the place (with a shotgun?) and just popped off with it when someone showed up, they are just dumber than a rock. Very sad.

Hey I am just pointing out not all states in the US are not the same; in Texas you better make sure when breaking into a home people are more protected and guess what better be-careful who you are robbing people as well. I understand the security guard thing but that is still someone else that could be out there. Plus the guy down here he is not going to jail book it with the new law and the nightmare PR that they face trying to take him in. Nope the DA is not even going to touch that one.