Senior Bowl Notes

[JeffInDC]

Both Donald and Sutton measured closer to 6'1" than 6' even. Sutton is 6006, 315 and Donald is 6007, 288. Which one (if not both) is helped the most by this?

 

[JeffInDC]

Both Donald and Sutton measured closer to 6'1" than 6' even. Sutton is 6006, 315 and Donald is 6007, 288. Which one (if not both) is helped the most by this?

And, Justin Ellis from LA Tech lost 9lbs. from the Shrine game (351 down to 342). I think this guy could be a GREAT 1T and he wouldn't have to be taken before Round 3.

 

[xwalker]

And, Justin Ellis from LA Tech lost 9lbs. from the Shrine game (351 down to 342). I think this guy could be a GREAT 1T and he wouldn't have to be taken before Round 3.

Have you watched LA Tech games? I tried to find some footage of him, but I only found a few plays.

 

[AsthmaField]

Good news for Donald, for sure.

 

[JeffInDC]

Have you watched LA Tech games? I tried to find some footage of him, but I only found a few plays.

As did I. But, in focusing on him in the Shrine Game, I saw a guy that kept commanding double teams, yet he continued to get good push in the middle. He has violent hands and seems to hustle every play. Classic guy that looks like he could succeed with good coaching because all the other things you would look for (motor, intensity, hustle) seem to be there.

 

[tm1119]

Height was never really the factor. Arm length is key for these guys and neither really passed the test. Donald with 31 3/4 arms isn't completely horrible, but he's still has less than ideal length to plan inside. He better hope he is able to run a very impressive shuttle and put up a whole lot of reps if he wants to keep his 1st round dreams alive.

Sutton, on the other hand, just killed his draft stock with 1 measurement. Arm length below 31 for a DT is a borderline death sentence. I now wouldnt touch this kid until the 4th round at best

 

[JDSTAR]

Really rooting for Donald to succeed this week.

 

[tm1119]

Wow, Michael Sam only a little above 6'1 with weighed in at 258 with with 33 1/4 inch arms. Stocky with low center of gravity and long arms sounds like a nice 4-3 DE to me. Hard to place his draft stock though. I'd love him in the 2nd.

 

[Leadbelly]

As did I. But, in focusing on him in the Shrine Game, I saw a guy that kept commanding double teams, yet he continued to get good push in the middle. He has violent hands and seems to hustle every play. Classic guy that looks like he could succeed with good coaching because all the other things you would look for (motor, intensity, hustle) seem to be there.

I agree. It's rare to find a guy who's 340+ and has a motor and can move. All-star games can be deceiving though.

A lot of these giants end up being left off the Cowboys board, but I can see Ellis on our board as a 3rd/4th at the 1-tech.

 

[xwalker]

DL:
Daniel McCullers 35 5/8
Kareem Martin 34 3/8
Chris Smith 34 1/8
Deandre Coleman 34
Ra'Shede Hageman 33 3/4
Brent Urban 33 5/8
Will Clarke 33 3/8
Trent Murphy 33 1/8
Shamar Stephen 33
Ed Stinson 32 7/8
Dee Ford 32 3/4
DaQuan Jones 32 3/4
Caraun Reid 32 5/8
James Gayle 32 3/8
Justin Ellis 32 1/4
Aaron Donald 31 3/4
Will Sutton 30 5/8

LB:
Adrian Hubbard 33 7/8
Michael Sam 33 1/4
Marcus Smith 33 1/4
Lamin Barrow 33
Jeremiah Attaochu 32 7/8
Christian Jones 32 7/8
Telvin Smith 32 3/4
Jonathan Brown 32 1/2
Christian Kirksey 32 3/8
Kyle Van Noy 32
Jordan Zumwalt 31 1/8
Jordan Tripp 30 7/8
Chris Borland 28 7/8

 

[LatinMind]

Height was never really the factor. Arm length is key for these guys and neither really passed the test. Donald with 31 3/4 arms isn't completely horrible, but he's still has less than ideal length to plan inside. He better hope he is able to run a very impressive shuttle and put up a whole lot of reps if he wants to keep his 1st round dreams alive.

Sutton, on the other hand, just killed his draft stock with 1 measurement. Arm length below 31 for a DT is a borderline death sentence. I now wouldnt touch this kid until the 4th round at best

Sharriff Floyd had the exact same short arms.

 

[LatinMind]

Wow, Michael Sam only a little above 6'1 with weighed in at 258 with with 33 1/4 inch arms. Stocky with low center of gravity and long arms sounds like a nice 4-3 DE to me. Hard to place his draft stock though. I'd love him in the 2nd.

Think Sam is going to drop to around 3-4 round. He was a low mid 2nd round pick because of his height listing of 6'2.

 

[RS12]

Height was never really the factor. Arm length is key for these guys and neither really passed the test. Donald with 31 3/4 arms isn't completely horrible, but he's still has less than ideal length to plan inside. He better hope he is able to run a very impressive shuttle and put up a whole lot of reps if he wants to keep his 1st round dreams alive.

Sutton, on the other hand, just killed his draft stock with 1 measurement. Arm length below 31 for a DT is a borderline death sentence. I now wouldnt touch this kid until the 4th round at best

Cowboys have always preferred long armed guys.

 

[xwalker]

Sharriff Floyd had the exact same short arms.

Yes, same as Donald at 31-3/4.

 

[RS12]

Player
School
Height
Weight
Arm
Hand
Comment
Will Clarke
West Virginia
6061
271
33 3/8
9 1/2
--
Deandre Coleman
California
6050
315
34
10 1/4
--
Aaron Donald
Pittsburgh
6007
288
31 3/4
9 7/8
--
Justin Ellis
Louisiana Tech
6017
342
32 1/4
9 7/8
--
Dee Ford
Auburn
6021
243
32 3/4
10
--
James Gayle
Virginia Tech
6035
255
32 3/8
9 5/8
--
Ra'Shede Hageman
Minnesota
6060
318
33 3/4
9 5/8
--
DaQuan Jones
Penn State
6034
323
32 3/4
9 3/8
--
Kareem Martin
North Carolina
6057
272
34 3/8
10
--
Daniel McCullers
Tennessee
6067
348
35 5/8
10 5/8
--
Trent Murphy
Stanford
6053
252
33 1/8
10 7/8
--
Caraun Reid
Princeton
6021
301
32 5/8
10 1/4
--
Chris Smith
Arkansas
6011
266
34 1/8
9 5/8
--
Shamar Stephen
Connecticut
6045
308
33
9 7/8
--
Ed Stinson
Alabama
6031
292
32 7/8
9 1/4
--
Will Sutton
Arizona State
6006
315
30 5/8
9 5/8
--
Brent Urban
Virginia
6066
298
33 5/8
9 7/8
--

 

[RS12]

Player
School
Height
Weight
Arm
Hand
Comment
Joel Bitonio
Nevada
6040
307
33
9 7/8
--
Kadeem Edwards
Tennessee State
6041
309
34 1/2
9 5/8
--
Jon Halapio
Florida
6034
320
32 3/4
10 1/4
--
Seantrel Henderson
Miami
6067
331
34 1/4
10 3/8
--
Gabe Ikard
Oklahoma
6032
302
32 3/4
9 3/4
--
Gabe Jackson
Mississippi State
6033
339
32 3/4
9 3/4
--
Ja'Wuan James
Tennessee
6061
315
33 3/8
9 5/8
--
Wesley Johnson
Vanderbilt
6052
290
32 1/2
10 1/8
--
Tyler Larsen
Utah State
6034
317
30 1/2
9 3/8
--
Brandon Linder
Miami
6053
316
33 1/4
10 1/4
--
Zack Martin
Notre Dame
6041
305
32 1/4
9 3/4
--
Jack Mewhort
Ohio State
6055
306
33
10 1/8
--
Morgan Moses
Virginia
6061
325
34 3/4
9 3/4
--
Cyril Richardson
Baylor
6044
343
33 7/8
9 3/4
--
Weston Richburg
Colorado State
6034
300
31 3/4
9
--
Michael Schofield
Michigan
6065
303
33 1/2
9 3/4
He did not have tattoos all over his body outlining a prison map.
Bryan Stork
Florida State
6034
306
31
10 1/8
--
Travis Swanson
Arkansas
6050
310
32 7/8
10
--
Brandon Thomas
Clemson
6034
316
34 3/8
10 3/4
--
Billy Turner
North Dakota State
6050
316
33 1/4
10 1/4
--

 

[RS12]

Player
School
Height
Weight
Arm
Hand
Comment
Tajh Boyd
Clemson
6006
222
30 1/2
9 3/8
--
Derek Carr
Fresno State
6021
215
31 1/4
9 1/8
--
David Fales
San Jose State
6013
220
31 1/8
9 1/4
--
Jimmy Garoppolo
Eastern Illinois
6022
219
30 1/4
9
--
Stephen Morris
Miami
6016
208
31 7/8
10 1/8
--
Aaron Murray
Georgia
6003
201
29 3/4
9 1/8
--
Logan Thomas
Virginia Tech
6056
250
33
10 3/4
--



Garoppolo and Murray with the dreaded small hands

 

[RS12]

Player
School
Height
Weight
Arm
Hand
Comment
Jared Abbrederis
Wisconsin
6007
189
30 3/4
9 5/8
--
Michael Campanaro
Wake Forest
5093
191
28 5/8
9 3/4
--
Kain Colter
Northwestern
5106
199
30 3/4
10
--
Mike Davis
Texas
6002
193
32
10 1/8
--
Shaquelle Evans
UCLA
6006
210
31 7/8
9 3/8
--
Ryan Grant
Tulane
6002
197
30 7/8
9 5/8
--
Robert Herron
Wyoming
5087
193
29 7/8
9 5/8
--
Cody Hoffman
Brigham Young
6037
218
33
9 7/8
--
Josh Huff
Oregon
5110
201
30 1/2
9 1/8
--
Jeff Janis
Saginaw Valley State
6022
212
32 1/4
8 7/8
--
Jordan Matthews
Vanderbilt
6025
209
32 5/8
10 1/2
--
Kevin Norwood
Alabama
6020
197
31 3/8
10 1/8
--
Solomon Patton
Florida
5084
179
29 7/8
9 1/4
--
Jalen Saunders
Oklahoma
5086
164
28 7/8
8 3/4
--


Keep an eye on Hoffman

 

[tm1119]

Think Sam is going to drop to around 3-4 round. He was a low mid 2nd round pick because of his height listing of 6'2.

The height doesn't mean nearly as much if you have the arm length of a man 2-3 inches taller than you. I'd be pretty surprised if Sam makes it out of the 2nd. Unless he doesn't test well as far as speed and agility, but I'm not sur.e that will be a problem for him

 

[RS12]

1. Logan Thomas, QB, Virginia Tech
Entering the game as the most gifted athlete at the quarterback position, Thomas has struggled to live up to high, Cam Newton-like expectations after his sophomore season. His inconsistencies in placement, progressions, and decision making, including when and when not to run , are concerning on film. However, he possesses the talent to still be considered on Day Two (and potentially early) if he can have a strong week this week.

2. Tajh Boyd, QB, Clemson
Boyd had the luxury of playing with a talented supporting cast at Clemson, particularly with receivers that made fantastic catches that hid some of his placement concerns across the field. Showing the flashes of Russell Wilson and Donovan McNabb at times, he has the tools to similar to those two, but has struggled to get to that point as a passer. Scouts will be curious to see him at the weigh-in, how he places the ball across the field, and how he responds to a new set of receivers in an unfamiliar offense.

3. Jared Abbrederis, WR, Wisconsin
Likely under-appreciated entering the game due to a lackluster quarterback this year, Abbrederis could leave as one of the top senior receivers. He possesses great hand usage in both press situations and when working downfield, having a phenomenal game against potential 1st rounder Bradley Roby and Ohio State. If he can showcase his route polish, consistently winning at the catch-point, and more big play ability after the catch than he showed on film, he could emerge as a legitimate Day Two selection.

4. Gator Hoskins, TE, Marshall
A late invite to the event, Hoskins made a name for himself during bowl season after a two touchdown performance in his final college game. The likely NFL H-Back, Hoskins will be able to show his versatility in route running from different initial positions, and if he can match up against NFL level safeties/coverage linebackers. A big week could make him a trendy late Day Two or early Day Three receiving tight end/H-Back option.

5. Weston Richburg, OC, Colorado State
With the hand exchange, footwork, leverage, and quickness in the run game, Richburg has the potentially to be a big winner this week if he can stand out among the interior linemen in attendance. He’ll need to show he can win against bigger nose tackles on the inside and fit in multiple schemes, but his ability to finish plays and quickness in his blocking footwork could push him up to a Day Two center prospect.

6. Kadeem Edwards, OG, Georgia Southern
A pleasant surprise as a I watched him on film in preparation, Edwards is a powerful inside run blocker who initiates contact at a high level and displays great power and upper body strength in pass protection. His hand placement is an issue, and quicker inside rushers (like Aaron Donald, Stephen Shamar) could expose him a bit. I’ll be watching his hand placement and initial pad level in pass protection closely this week

7. Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh
If he were just a few inches taller, scouts wouldn’t have a concern with Donald being a Top 10 pick. However, his lack of ideal size likely limits him in the NFL, unless he can prove it won’t this week. He has the talent level and college production to have a fantastic week, and if he can show that NFL-level offensive linemen can handle him consistently, I’ll have no qualms about making him a Top 20 pick.

8. Shamar Stephen, DT, UConn
I had heard a lot of Stephen once he was invited, and the flashes he showed on a poor Uconn defense this year earned the praise he received. With quick hands initially, his speed-to-power transfer upfield, and his plus bend and fluidity inside and out, Stephen could emerge as a Day Two pick with a good week here. I’ll be watching his ability to disengage in the run game and his read-reaction ability in team running plays.

9. Pierre Desir, CB, Lindenwood
A Shrine Game call-up, Desir didn’t get a chance to utilize his length and natural physical ability during practices because the corners were limited to no pressing. He’ll get plenty of one-on-one situations with physical receivers like Jared Abbrederis, which will be a battle to watch early in the week. An impressive week here, combined with a solid Shrine Week and intriguing potential displayed on film, Desir could vault up into the high Day Two area after the Senior Bowl and Combine.

10. Jimmie Ward, SAF, Northern Illinois
Ward has played both cornerback and safety in his Northern Illinois career, and he’ll likely get work at both (particularly at nickel corner) this week. Ward is an active edge player, finishing tackles well and working man or zone coverage at a high level. I’ll be curious to see him remain balanced and quick to react from his safety spot, and how he can handle slot coverage against NFL-level receivers this week.

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