Serious, non-agenda driven question about our young players...

[SultanOfSix]

I think our poor play on the offensive line is sucking the life out of Parcells as well as the defense. He made a note of it during the press conference today, mentioning that the same players keep making the same dumb mistakes: Petitti, Johnson, Rivera, and Tucker (he didn't mention them by name, but I'm sure that is who he was pointing out). And the fact that he doesn't have anyone to replace them with who are better - Gurode makes the same dumb mistakes too, probably irks him to no end. Yes, it's partially his fault, but there is only so much you can coach players.

Also, the defense probably looks at how pathetic the line is and how it isn't getting better at all, and is fading as a result of symbiosis.

 

[Juke99]

I know I'm close to thinking Bill should leave after this year. Today's loss was execusable. That was one of the most pathetic efforts I've ever seen out of a Cowboys' team.

How any player or coach could claim a check after this debacle is unbelievable...

We came out the same way vs the Eagles...got manhandled...and got away with it.

We came out and played the same way against the Giants...got manhandled and didn't get away with it...but we didn't get blown away.

Today we got manhandled and blown away.

The three biggest division games of the year..and we got outplayed in each one of them.

Inexcusable is right.

Oh...but Parcells made a point of belittling the punter.

 

[Jimz31]

I have it there cuz it is true. Our D started off good but now everyone if figuring it out. 501 yards given up to KC last week 35 points given up this week and all kindsa big plays. The Commanders coulda easily run up the score instead of run out the clock.

We spent big money in FA on DL and defense. We drafted 2 very talented defensive players in the 1st round of this draft and yet none of them are getting better. They are either just average or getting worse.

We got ZERO QB sacks.....ZERO QB pressures....ZERO Knockdowns today. Our pass rush is just as big a joke as last year.

Just the same weak bend dont break defense and wasting away talent on our defenes.

Zimmer sucks.

Compare and contrast our defense vs. our offense for the entire year.

 

[DMX690]

I copletely agree with you Juke, I would like to add some things.

How does a team come out that badly prepared?

Call me crazy but I acctually like Campo's 3 years here than Parcells's.
I mean we were young, seemed to play with fire, and we had a blast when we won. I really enjoyed watching raw young talent even if they weren't all that good, they played with heart. Hutch, Ross, Roy, and Bryant to name a few, and it felt we could go somewhere in a couple of years. I just don't have that feeling anymore.

To quote a line from The Replacements. "got to have miles and miles of heart"

Have you ever been stuck in the mud? Your going good, you get to a stop and you get stuck, being frustrated you spin the wheels fast and they develop holes, then when it feels you are about to get out you fall back in.

Probably a lame metaphor but thats what this team feels like

Hahahaha... what's next, you're going to tell me Matt Millen is a excellent GM.

 

[Sabu1]

I tend to think that our rookies on defense have hit the wall. Their seasons would normally be over now but we are just entering the final stretch of the NFL season. I think these guys are gassed and it's showing.

I tend to think that 2002 draft class mentioned earlier was full of poor character types. I mean Derek Ross and Antonio Bryant? Ross has been fired so many times I have lost count. Bryant has never produced and has had character issues wherever he's been. Time to put that draft class to bed and call a spade and spade. It was a bad draft.

I tend to think that everyone is pretty emotional after a stinging loss to a rival. This organization has made progress on a number of levels. I preach patience but I'm sure it will fall on deaf ears around here.

 

[Cbz40]

I posted this in another thread......my finger are tired so I'll re-post it here.

We saw a good draft........we were overjoyed.......we saw them improving w/almost every game....that is until the later half of the season......then we have witnessed a regression. In fact we have seen a regression in the second half of a season for three years.
Blame it on injuries or whatever......but I blame it on coaching. We go into important football games not prepared and with a lack of intensity to match our opponents. Again I blame it on coaching or lack there of.

I don't need a seeing eye dog to recognize mediocrity. When one is satisfied with mediocrity.......well that's not for me......I'm tired of saying " we'll getem next year"

 

[Juke99]

Maybe Ware isnt playing as good becasue other teams are doubling him....Spears is playing better....Burnett is playing better...Barber is playing better..Ted Johnson was acually active today...Canty is still the sme old over acheiving person he has been since day 1...I dont really understand your point Juke....Im not bashing but I think you are writing with your emotion more than fact

Who said Spears is playing better? Parcells.

Look at the numbers vs the run in the last four games. We're getting killed. Spears is a big part of that. Same can be said for Canty.

NO way Ware is getting double teamed...no way. Watch the game again. In fact, he's been getting blocked by TE's..and he is ALWAYS singled in pass rush.

Barber. Let's see how he plays next year. Julius played pretty well last year too...

 

[Dale]

Juke,

My question regarding Parcells is this:

Has he become afraid of "the big game?"

Is it me, or is it always the other team touting our matchups as a "must win?" Maybe my head has been in the sand, but I don't recall hearing this game touted as such, and make no mistake, this was an absolute must win to make the playoffs.

Parcells repeatedly said we could lose the Giants game, but we had to finish strong. "First team to 11 wins," he said. OK. Understood. Didn't like it then, but if we finished 4-0, it made sense.

After today's performance, though, when the heck is he going to call a game a must-winner? And why isn't he doing that? Because he feels his players already know? He's afraid to tout a game as such?

Just random jiberrish, on my part. I can tolerate hard-fought, close losses. I have yet to get irate after any of the losses this year, save the first loss to Washington (which was just assanine). But today's loss, given the importance of this game, was totally inexcusable.

We looked like a squad that had either already clinched a playoff berth (a la our performance in the season ender against New Orleans in '03), or a team that already knew our playoff dreams had ended.

It just doesn't make sense.

 

[DMX690]

We came out the same way vs the Eagles...got manhandled...and got away with it.

We came out and played the same way against the Giants...got manhandled and didn't get away with it...but we didn't get blown away.

Today we got manhandled and blown away.

The three biggest division games of the year..and we got outplayed in each one of them.

Inexcusable is right.

Oh...but Parcells made a point of belittling the punter.

Please man, he did the same thing to Newman ok, what do you what Parcell to do, give him a pat on the *** and say good job, way to go with the 15 yard kick.

 

[Sabu1]

Call me crazy but I acctually like Campo's 3 years here than Parcells's.
I mean we were young, seemed to play with fire, and we had a blast when we won. I really enjoyed watching raw young talent even if they weren't all that good, they played with heart. Hutch, Ross, Roy, and Bryant to name a few, and it felt we could go somewhere in a couple of years. I just don't have that feeling anymore.

I'm just speechless.....WOW.

 

[Dale]

Speaking of Ware, in the ongoing Ware-versus-Merriman debates...

Is it me, or does San Diego scheme up plays to get Merriman open lanes to rush the quarterback? It seems like we're very bland in how we blitz Ware.

Or am I underestimating Merriman's play in making those open looks at the quarterback so...open?

 

[cowboyeric8]

Hahahaha... what's next, you're going to tell me Matt Millen is a excellent GM.

Think what you want but I enjoyed watching young talent who showed promise more than average veterans, and rookies who are afraid to make a mistake.

I'm not saying Campo was a good coach or a bad coach. I'm saying I knew what I was going to get those years and I could enjoy it a little more, with Parcells I get a lame roller coaster ride that goes up and down and then at the end of the season the ride ends, and then the next season SSDD

 

[Wolverine]

Compare and contrast our defense vs. our offense for the entire year.

Say whatever you want. I see Merriman turning into a beast in San Diego. I see Ware falling and falling. No matter who we bring in on defense it is always the same s***.


The difference between the offense and defense is we loaded up on D in FA and the draft and still no pass rush and very few turnovers. Players with all kindsa talent not getting any better.

Get a real DC in here who knows how to run the 3-4 and knows how to give us a attack defense instead of this weak play scared bend dont break defense. I pray to God that Zimmer is either fired or that the Rams take him.

 

[Juke99]

I copletely agree with you Juke, I would like to add some things.

How does a team come out that badly prepared?

Call me crazy but I acctually like Campo's 3 years here than Parcells's.
I mean we were young, seemed to play with fire, and we had a blast when we won. I really enjoyed watching raw young talent even if they weren't all that good, they played with heart. Hutch, Ross, Roy, and Bryant to name a few, and it felt we could go somewhere in a couple of years. I just don't have that feeling anymore.

To quote a line from The Replacements. "got to have miles and miles of heart"

Have you ever been stuck in the mud? Your going good, you get to a stop and you get stuck, being frustrated you spin the wheels fast and they develop holes, then when it feels you are about to get out you fall back in.

Probably a lame metaphor but thats what this team feels like

We were bad under Campo...indeed..and I'd never want to go back to that...but we did last year...only with boring veteran players...we got blown out as much, if not more, than any Campo team...

Ya know, you're too young to remember...but people compare Parcells style to Vince Lombardi....you ask any older guy, like uh, Cbz for instance...and I'll guarantee you that one of the things they remember about Lombardi was his smile...he was tough as nails...but he also enjoyed himself, his players, and the game.

Now contrast that with Parcells. When was the last time we saw him smile.

Hell, he's got a job that only 32 people are blessed enough to have...he's getting paid five million to do it...YET...he's one of the most negative people I've ever seen.

And ya now, I've learned in business...an organization takes on the personality of the executives.

Whatever...it's all conjecture...but fun to discuss anyway.

 

[DMX690]

Think what you want but I enjoyed watching young talent who showed promise more than average veterans, and rookies who are afraid to make a mistake.

I'm not saying Campo was a good coach or a bad coach. I'm saying I knew what I was going to get those years and I could enjoy it a little more, with Parcells I get a lame roller coaster ride that goes up and down and then at the end of the season the ride ends, and then the next season SSDD

5-11
5-11
5-11

 

[Juke99]

Speaking of Ware, in the ongoing Ware-versus-Merriman debates...

Is it me, or does San Diego scheme up plays to get Merriman open lanes to rush the quarterback? It seems like we're very bland in how we blitz Ware.

Or am I underestimating Merriman's play in making those open looks at the quarterback so...open?

Hola Dale...they scheme to get him free...he was a terror today....

....they utilize his play making skills...rather than beat it into his brain not to make a mistake.

7 tackles...2 sacks today...and he disrupted a ton of plays...

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I agree, Juke... I really thought this last year when we saw so many listless, underachieving performaces, but it seems to be creeping in this year, too.

Football is a game of emotion and energy, and our team lacks that all too often. You see other teams fired up, high-fiving, flying around... And yes, maybe getting the occasional penalty from overaggresiveness. But maybe those are okay every once in a while if it means you play with more passion.

On the whole, I like the demeanor Parcells strives for in his teams, but maybe he's overdone it a little?

 

[Zman5]

The team definately looked scared today.

Did you notice JJ always puts his head down and dives when he sees the first defender trying to tackle him this year? It doesn't matter if it's an inside run or outside run. He doesn't even bother to juke em. I don't get it. I'm not sure if Parcells fault but JJ does look nothing and I mean nothing like the guy from last year.

 

[The Fonz]

Juke

Great points i share ur pain.

my takes in all of this is that Bill Parcells is a good in evaluating players and motivating a team. all that is fine with me.problem is when Bill percells try to control the game plan..his coaches might plan the game but he is the one controling the final saying and that lead to disaster (very conservative play calling - and play not to lose mentality) .This methoed is wrong.... one step forward two steps backwards more like a vicious circle.or dr jekyll and mr hyde team .to solve the problem we are in is to let the coaches do thier parts freely and keep Bill Percells more like a general manger/head coach type.

 

[Juke99]

Please man, he did the same thing to Newman ok, what do you what Parcell to do, give him a pat on the *** and say good job, way to go with the 15 yard kick.

I'd figure he'd be a bit more concerned about how he was coaching a team to a 35-7 loss than getting in his punters face.

Ya know, I'd LOVE to see how Parcells would have reacted if Jerry came down to the sideline and gave him the same treatment that Parcells gave McBriar.

He's a windbag...a tired old windbag