Sharif Floyd

[Zimmy Lives]

Dr. Zhivago himself and Lawrence of Arabia.....he would improve the d-line immediately!

I agree! He'd be cheaper as well!

 

[waving monkey]

Yet, you came to the thread to read it...

In fact, it's not re-hashing at all. It seems from Ratliff's cryptic comments today that his injury all along was his groin (not his hammy), and that apparently, it never healed right and he blames the training staff for it, which is why he rehabbed on his own and not in Dallas. If this was what was going on, it is all the more idiotic that Dallas did not stick to its board, pick Floyd, and try to trade back up for Fred (or just pick another OL in round 2 instead of Escobar). And I am not the only one "re-hashing" this (below is DMN columnist)...

don't you think this could be a good thing with ratt on pup, are defense right now is looking pretty good so to have him ready to go in the middle of the season wouldn't that be better for us?
by Raymond Tippett 10:03 AM

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  Raymond, I have to confess that when I first read your comment, I thought you were talking about dogfighting. Anyway, I'd feel better about replacing Ratliff if they had, say, kept the 18th pick and drafted Shariff Floyd. I realize he's hurt now, but maybe he doesn't get hurt if he comes here, and he's a candidate to take Ratliff's place. Nick Hayden might very well do that just fine. But it's certainly not something he's proven capable of in the past. We'll see.
  by Kevin Sherrington 10:05 AM

Your only point i agree with is sticking to the board. Luckily Floyd has appeared not to be worth the 18th pick so we lucked out.

 

[Biggems]

for me, the only player i am somewhat rueing about from the first round is jonathan cooper...but i fully understand we had no realistic shot at him. while i am not rueing the vaccaro pick, i am pleased that he is playing so well right now....even if it is for the vile saints.

 

[AsthmaField]

I am just pointing out that, when you dont stick to your board, especially when your scouts are telling you a guy is a top 5 talent, you lose critical opportunities to improve the overall talent of the team.

Yet, in a post not far above the one I quoted you said to not take Escobar and to draft another OL there. So you are signing off on exactly what you say here you should never do, because Escobar was the highest ranked player on our board when we picked in the second.

So should they or should they not draft the highest ranked player on their board? If you say that outside influences can make you get away from the exact order of your board, then you are saying it is ok to draft Frederick when you have a crying need on the OL and there has just been the biggest run on OL the draft had ever seen.

 

[ChronicCowboy]

Not necessarily saying passing on Floyd was a bad idea but not taking a DT in the first three rounds was idiotic. The decision looks even worse now. Instead of a starting DT in round 2, we got a TE that may be inactive most game days.

 

[Vintage]

Not necessarily saying passing on Floyd was a bad idea but not taking a DT in the first three rounds was idiotic. The decision looks even worse now. Instead of a starting DT in round 2, we got a TE that may be inactive most game days.

And who would you have taken?

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Yet, in a post not far above the one I quoted you said to not take Escobar and to draft another OL there. So you are signing off on exactly what you say here you should never do, because Escobar was the highest ranked player on our board when we picked in the second.

So should they or should they not draft the highest ranked player on their board? If you say that outside influences can make you get away from the exact order of your board, then you are saying it is ok to draft Frederick when you have a crying need on the OL and there has just been the biggest run on OL the draft had ever seen.

Of course there are outside influences, like if you have a franchise QB, you dont draft a QB in the 1st round, even if he's higher on your board. But you stick to the board, especially in the first round. You take Floyd. And then, presuming you have Fred ranked above Escobar, you take Fred. If there was such a huge run on OL, you trade up to take Fred.

 

[skinsscalper]

Enough with Sharif Floyd please. He was passed over. So were dozens of other DL during Free Agency. The team obviously liked our DL and didn't expect the setback with Ratliff. He was being paid and counted on to start at DT this year. You can't have starter quality depth at every position with a salary cap and a 53 man roster.

Someone gets it.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Instead of a starting DT in round 2, we got a TE that may be inactive most game days.

I'll take that bet.

 

[pansophy]

Ratliff on the PUP is exactly why you draft a Top 5 DL talent that slips to 18 when you get the chance. Frederick was a very good pick at 31, but I still think you stick to your board (which had Floyd rated top 15) and take best available player. Then, if you love Frederick so much, do what you can to trade up from the 2nd round to get him.

We were NEVER EVER going to take Floyd. Very good player that doesn't fit the new schme. We dropped down to take Williams in my opinion based war room reactions when he was selected.

We recovered with Fredericks but we were never going to take Floyd and they said as much. You don't drop down to select a player that is already rated higher than your draft position. I wish people would stop with the Floyd discussion.

 

[Nightman]

Not necessarily saying passing on Floyd was a bad idea but not taking a DT in the first three rounds was idiotic. The decision looks even worse now. Instead of a starting DT in round 2, we got a TE that may be inactive most game days.

Now I can agree with most of that. I like the idea of what an Escobar can bring to the offense if they want to go 12 personal, but I would've have liked to get a DL instead. There were some pretty good ones available.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

We were NEVER EVER going to take Floyd. Very good player that doesn't fit the new schme. We dropped down to take Williams in my opinion based war room reactions when he was selected.

We recovered with Fredericks but we were never going to take Floyd and they said as much. You don't drop down to select a player that is already rated higher than your draft position. I wish people would stop with the Floyd discussion.

Just wondering, if we were never ever going to take Floyd, why was he even on our board? Teams take players off their boards all the time for scheme fit, character issues, etc. Yet, Floyd was still on our board, and Top 15 to boot...

 

[Staubacher]

Your only point i agree with is sticking to the board. Luckily Floyd has appeared not to be worth the 18th pick so we lucked out.

Gee maybe it wasn't luck it was the cowboys professional people know more than posters?

 

[khiladi]

Ratliff on the PUP is exactly why you draft a Top 5 DL talent that slips to 18 when you get the chance. Frederick was a very good pick at 31, but I still think you stick to your board (which had Floyd rated top 15) and take best available player. Then, if you love Frederick so much, do what you can to trade up from the 2nd round to get him.

Marinelli and Kiffin didn't want him.

 

[Common Sense]

Marinelli and Kiffin didn't want him.

Right, because we're "loaded" or something, right?

 

[khiladi]

I really think that Baltimore wanted Frederick at #32. There is no way Frederick makes it to Dallas' 2nd round pick. To be certain, they would have had to move up into the late 1st and that would have cost them a lot. There's no way Clarence could be sure how far into the second Frederick would have lasted, and it was so important to Dallas they couldn't take that chance.

Yep, I remember reading the same thing, i.e. Baltimore with Newsome, one of the best GMs in the game, wanted him. We beat him to the punch, the point being, nothing is guaranteed. If we got the C we needed, it's irrelevant that we 'traded down'.

 

[kevm3]

Looking at how Tanney was getting blasted behind that O-Line in that last preseason game and looking at how Romo was getting blasted in prior seasons, the Frederick pick was the right one. Unless we plan on holding the other team to under 3 points every game, we simply had to use some top picks on O-line, and from what I've seen on Frederick, I can't complain about the pick at all.

 

[khiladi]

Right, because we're "loaded" or something, right?

No, they didn't want him because the think he is over-rated, meaning not worth the pick so high. You can be loaded with sucky guys already and add another sucky guy, you'll still suck. But yeah, what does the best DL coach in football know...

 

[Common Sense]

No, they didn't want him because the think he is over-rated, meaning not worth the pick so high. You can be loaded with sucky guys already and add another sucky guy, you'll still suck. But yeah, what does the best DL coach in football know...

The point is, you can't just say "Kiffin didn't like him" all the time when Kiffin's opinion on the current DL depth has been questionable to begin with. Maybe we should let coaches coach and scouts scout?

 

[khiladi]

Kiffin and Marinelli both??? We should just ignore their opinion, especially when it's forceful and built on years of experience? And what is qeustionable about it? If Floyd is what you claim he is, it would have nothing to do with depth. Why would they draft a top pick for depth purposes? Additionally, the same thing could be said about the OL. Our depth sucks with OL. If Frederik goes, we are essentially back to square one with a bunch of scrubs. I haven't watched much pre-season, but from what I've heard, the second line folds like a deck of cards.