Sharif Floyd

[Fredd]

Gee maybe it wasn't luck it was the cowboys professional people know more than posters?

How DARE you spout the obvious!!!

 

[jnday]

Enough with Sharif Floyd please. He was passed over. So were dozens of other DL during Free Agency. The team obviously liked our DL and didn't expect the setback with Ratliff. He was being paid and counted on to start at DT this year. You can't have starter quality depth at every position with a salary cap and a 53 man roster.

How in the heck could the team not expect Ratliff to be injured? An injured Ratliff is a sure thing. If they didn't expect and plan for it, they are the biggest collection of retards in the league. Nobody can be that stupid.

 

[dargonking999]

How in the heck could the team not expect Ratliff to be injured? An injured Ratliff is a sure thing. If they didn't expect and plan for it, they are the biggest collection of retards in the league. Nobody can be that stupid.

this would be true if it weren't for the fact that between 2007 (when he became a full time starter) to 2011 he didn't miss a single game because of injury. 2012 was the first year he missed time because of injury. So If you're going to be a smart ***...at least be right

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Marinelli and Kiffin didn't want him.

That is the Jerry "party line." I dont believe it.

 

[jnday]

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this would be true if it weren't for the fact that between 2007 (when he became a full time starter) to 2011 he didn't miss a single game because of injury. 2012 was the first year he missed time because of injury. So If you're going to be a smart ***...at least be right

If my intent was to be a smart***, it would have reflected that intent at a much higher level. Ratliff has been a walking injury for a couple of years and he had many nagging injuries over the last several years. If you hadn't recognized that, you must be on the Cowboys staff. It seems that they are the only ones surprised to the point that they didn't have a quality backup that will end up starting most of the games, while Ratliff continues to allow his attitude problem to grow. I honestly can't understand how anybody didn't expect this. The whole Cowboy organization was aware of his injuries and his lack of rehab. Surprise,surprise.

 

[zrinkill]

Vikings' Sharrif Floyd sitting out after knee procedure
Sharrif Floyd likely will miss the rest of preseason after undergoing a "minor procedure" on his left knee.

 

[waving monkey]

I don't think this is accurate. I think Kiffen and Marianelli thought that Ratliff would be fine (see below). But they and Jerry turned a blind eye to the fact that Ratliff cannot stay on the field, and overall has a bad attitude as shown by the fact that he did not rehab with the Cowboys' staff, but on his own. Now we are left with a free agent castoff (no offense to try-hard Hayden) when, had we stuck to our board, we would have a guy our own scouts rated Top 5 overall. I'm sorry, but say all you want about the run on OL and how good Fred has been (he has), but you set the talent level of you team back when you do not stick to your board.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/a...eresting/e1fa422a-bdd7-4fa2-813a-20a26ddd6e1a

there is clearly nothing to substantiate your opinions. At the center position Fred is outplaying Floyd [at the DT] to date and that is clearly so.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

there is clearly nothing to substantiate your opinions. At the center position Fred is outplaying Floyd [at the DT] to date and that is clearly so.

Floyd has been hurt, he has not been outplayed. Floyd was rated #5 on our board; Fred was rated #22 (and by other teams much lower). That substantiates my opinion. I am as happy as the next guy that Fred is playing well for us, but all the scouts said that Floyd was the more talented player.

 

[Galian Beast]

Floyd has been hurt, he has not been outplayed. Floyd was rated #5 on our board; Fred was rated #22 (and by other teams much lower). That substantiates my opinion. I am as happy as the next guy that Fred is playing well for us, but all the scouts said that Floyd was the more talented player.

Do you think Kiffin places a premium on a defensive tackle who doesn't excel at rushing the passer?

 

[speedkilz88]

Do you think Kiffin places a premium on a defensive tackle who doesn't excel at rushing the passer?

Or the DL coach.

Rod Marinelli makes a sign change at Valley Ranch, refers to his group as ‘Rushmen’


http://cowboysblog.***BANNED-URL***...arinelli-refers-to-his-group-as-rushmen.html/

 

[speedkilz88]

http://cowboysblog.***BANNED-URL***/files/2013/05/photo12-620x826.jpg

 

[Fredd]

Floyd has been hurt, he has not been outplayed. Floyd was rated #5 on our board; Fred was rated #22 (and by other teams much lower). That substantiates my opinion. I am as happy as the next guy that Fred is playing well for us, but all the scouts said that Floyd was the more talented player.

wait now, let's get something straight...Fred has played, Floyd (for the most part) has not...being on the field gets you "points" in this discussion...

Fred>Floyd so far without even blinking, and I see that continuing later when they are both in their respective roles

also, Fred is a 3 down player, Floyd is likely a rotational guy (2 out of 3 plays likely)....Fred looks to be a leader on the OL, Floyd is no leader

Fred>Floyd (is there an echo in here?)

 

[pansophy]

Just wondering, if we were never ever going to take Floyd, why was he even on our board? Teams take players off their boards all the time for scheme fit, character issues, etc. Yet, Floyd was still on our board, and Top 15 to boot...

Ok so I'm more tired of the conversation than anything. If he dropped to the 2nd round then maybe we take him. But we definitely weren't going to take him in the first for all the reasons that Kiffen said.

I mean he was 5th on our board and we are picking at 18. If we are that excited about him, say like Dez, we are all over that pick. Now the fact that he was on the board still might have helped Jerry move down and think. he could still get Richardson (sorry that's who I meant before). The entire war room reacted when Richardson was selected. He was their guy.

 

[pansophy]

The point is, you can't just say "Kiffin didn't like him" all the time when Kiffin's opinion on the current DL depth has been questionable to begin with. Maybe we should let coaches coach and scouts scout?

Kiffin didn't say he wasn't a good player. He said he wasn't really a good fit for what he wants to do. He would be the expert on that. Instead, talk about whether we should have selected Richardson. That's who we wanted to take.

 

[dargonking999]

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If my intent was to be a smart***, it would have reflected that intent at a much higher level. Ratliff has been a walking injury for a couple of years and he had many nagging injuries over the last several years. If you hadn't recognized that, you must be on the Cowboys staff. It seems that they are the only ones surprised to the point that they didn't have a quality backup that will end up starting most of the games, while Ratliff continues to allow his attitude problem to grow. I honestly can't understand how anybody didn't expect this. The whole Cowboy organization was aware of his injuries and his lack of rehab. Surprise,surprise.

I just love how people like exaggerate the facts to prove there little agenda. You can call out the staff all you want, but to sit here and say that we should have spent a first round pick on a 3-4 DT and hoped that we could make him fit our scheme because Ratliff "may" not play at the beginning of this year, and pass up fixing our OL and getting the center that we most desperately needed..then you're the more foolish than you claim the cowboys staff to be.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

I just love how people like exaggerate the facts to prove there little agenda. You can call out the staff all you want, but to sit here and say that we should have spent a first round pick on a 3-4 DT and hoped that we could make him fit our scheme because Ratliff "may" not play at the beginning of this year, and pass up fixing our OL and getting the center that we most desperately needed..then you're the more foolish than you claim the cowboys staff to be.

You can call me foolish, but you can blindly support Jerry and the perennial 8-8 franchise he has created. I have no agenda, other than to call out the owner when he goes off the grid and ignores the many months his scouts put into grading these college players. And now, when we find out that Ratliff's groin injury was much more serious and season-threatening than the team let out publicly, and that it dates back to before the draft, I think it is appropriate to question his decision even more. If, as you say, Floyd was nothing more than a 3-4 DT, why was he on the board to begin with? The team removes players who are not scheme fts all the time. But they kept Floyd on the board and they kept him at 5 overall.

 

[dargonking999]

You can call me foolish, but you can blindly support Jerry and the perennial 8-8 franchise he has created. I have no agenda, other than to call out the owner when he goes off the grid and ignores the many months his scouts put into grading these college players. And now, when we find out that Ratliff's groin injury was much more serious and season-threatening than the team let out publicly, and that it dates back to before the draft, I think it is appropriate to question his decision even more. If, as you say, Floyd was nothing more than a 3-4 DT, why was he on the board to begin with? The team removes players who are not scheme fts all the time. But they kept Floyd on the board and they kept him at 5 overall.

I didn't know I was quoting you but, since you butted in anyways..I'm not blindly supporting Jerry. I'm looking at the team and its needs. DT was not a first round need. OL was, we either needed a guard or a center in the first round. You don't need first round players all up and down a defensive line (remember we do have two already and a third round pick). SHould we have drafted a DT in the draft, yes, we didn't oh well, but we got a center that we badly needed. To sit here now and say because we should have known that Ratliff would still be injured so we should have passed up solidifying our OL in a Passing League, to take a DT we may or may not fit our scheme is just foolish. As for why they had them there he's a top 5 talent....whether or not he fit the scheme that Kiffin wanted to run was a different matter. Obviously based on the move, we felt it was better to go for the OL, then Hope, that he could fit.

 

[Common Sense]

Kiffin didn't say he wasn't a good player. He said he wasn't really a good fit for what he wants to do. He would be the expert on that. Instead, talk about whether we should have selected Richardson. That's who we wanted to take.

This is certainly the better argument, although it still comes back to why there was apparently such a divide between the scouts and the GM/defensive coaching staff over the #5 player on the board. Even with a new DC, that reeks of dysfunction. The Tampa 2 is such a defensive staple in the league that any NFL-caliber scout should know exactly what goes into a prototypical DT for it. So you see why "Kiffin didn't want him" doesn't really address the issue. Maybe we need to trim some fat in the scouting department. Maybe Kiffin or Marinelli are just two more of countless examples of Hall of Fame level coaches who can't evaluate college talent worth a lick. For what it's worth, I'm not a Floyd fan, but it will be interesting to see how he fits in a similar enough scheme in Minnesota.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

I didn't know I was quoting you but, since you butted in anyways..I'm not blindly supporting Jerry. I'm looking at the team and its needs. DT was not a first round need. OL was, we either needed a guard or a center in the first round. You don't need first round players all up and down a defensive line (remember we do have two already and a third round pick). SHould we have drafted a DT in the draft, yes, we didn't oh well, but we got a center that we badly needed. To sit here now and say because we should have known that Ratliff would still be injured so we should have passed up solidifying our OL in a Passing League, to take a DT we may or may not fit our scheme is just foolish. As for why they had them there he's a top 5 talent....whether or not he fit the scheme that Kiffin wanted to run was a different matter. Obviously based on the move, we felt it was better to go for the OL, then Hope, that he could fit.

My mistake, thought it was directed at my post. You make good points. I suppose I would have felt better if we had picked a DT in Round 2 and if Pugh wasn't the target of the trade back. We lucked into Fred. Next time when Jerry does not follow the board, we won't.

 

[visionary]

Sorry this argument does not fly
Our draft board does not include all draftable players , it reflects players we would pick at those picks which should account for scheme fit