Sherman: N-word Ban "almost racist"

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I think he means that it is racist in the sense that probably 99% of players that say it are black.

The NFL screwed the pooch. They should have just said "we plan to penalize racial slurs or other discriminatory remarks this season."

Roger Goodell showing again how out of touch he is.
 

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@FootballFan1 nails it in his first paragraph.

But ultimately freedom of speech, even if taken at complete face value, is for a social/political setting-- not a privatized business.

If I started dropping N-bombs in the office, I'm sure I would be reprimanded or even fired... just like Hugh Douglas.

Just a correction - freedom of speech as a constitutional concept protects citizens from government censorship in MOST cases. The government can still limit speech if it can show that the limitations meet certain standards set forth by the Supreme Court over the years.
 

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I think he means that it is racist in the sense that probably 99% of players that say it are black.

The NFL screwed the pooch. They should have just said "we plan to penalize racial slurs or other discriminatory remarks this season."

Roger Goodell showing again how out of touch he is.

Except it isn't Goodell pushing for this rule.
 

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There has never been an ultimate right to free speech. The classic example used by the Supreme Court is that you cannot scream "fire" in a crowded theater. Using the N word in certain circumstances may create that inflammatory situation. And that behavior should not be allowed - ever. But as described here, the word may also be used as an endearment rather than a negative remark to someone. Guess that is something that is new to our young culture - me I don't get it. As they say, never put yourself down, there are too many people around to do it for you. Guess that makes me an old fart.

I kind of look at it this way, can't someone control themselves during a football game?? A message is being sent. And in particular if it is being said to refs as stated in one post. Don't like that one bit. What upsets me more is the increase in cheap shots and taking players out. And the fans openly saying on message boards to take a player out so they can win. That to me is something far more important that needs to be addressed. And says something about our society. It is called integrity. Making a good clean hit that results in an injury is part of the game, but going out to take a player out is another.

As the old statement goes, I know justice when I see it. Most of us do. Except for the ignorants of the world - we certainly have enough of those folks. All this rule does is eliminate the need for refs to try to figure out how the word is being used. The refs have better things to do, like trying to make the right calls more often. I think though that this new "rule" could be included in the un-sportsman like behavior, and let it be known that it will be included. But I think as a separate rule it is a little over the top, but really do not have a problem if it is implemented.

I would like to think that racism is a thing of the past, and for the most part that has happened. The way I was brought up, there was never a negative comment, ever, in my home about any group of people. It is just ridiculous to think that a different "group" makes for a better person. Better to judge a person on their own merits. And a jerk is a jerk is a jerk. And jerks come in all sizes, shapes, colors, and gender. Unfortunately, that is just the way it is. All good people in the world - never going to happen. A look at a history book will tell you that.

Guess as I am writing this I have changed my mind. Implement the rule. Just eliminates another negative from the game we all enjoy.

Outstanding post.
 

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Except it isn't Goodell pushing for this rule.

He's the commissioner, he gets the blame. Just like everyone wants to blame a coach or GM, Goodell is ultimately in charge and could step in easily and rectify this situation.
 

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He's the commissioner, he gets the blame. Just like everyone wants to blame a coach or GM, Goodell is ultimately in charge and could step in easily and rectify this situation.

Goodell works for the owners. If people are pushing the owners for these rules, then the owners will convince Goodell to pursue it. He didn't bring this proposal to the forefront. I understand it is simpler to blame Goodell, but that would be misdirected.
 

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Goodell works for the owners. If people are pushing the owners for these rules, then the owners will convince Goodell to pursue it. He didn't bring this proposal to the forefront. I understand it is simpler to blame Goodell, but that would be misdirected.

Tell that to the legions of people who blame the coach or owner of the Dallas Cowboys for the same things.
 

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He's the commissioner, he gets the blame. Just like everyone wants to blame a coach or GM, Goodell is ultimately in charge and could step in easily and rectify this situation.

You're not really wrong here.

Roger actually DOES have ties to the Competition Committee, as he selects the members.

(Stephen Jones, Mike Tomlin, Ozzie Newsome, John Mara, Jeff Fisher, Marvin Lewis, Mark Murphy, Rick Smith make up the Committee headed by chairman, Rich McKay.)

Of course, the NFL Competition Committee is heading this fight.
 

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Who gives a crap who says what to who on the field? these are adult men competing against each other. And eliminating this word is absolutely targeting black players. just like throwing penalty flags/fines for end zone celebrations, which was primarily a black thing. Are they eliminating vulgarity altogether? Doubt it. So why single out a specific word? ***** or p***y get tossed around too i'm sure. Gay slurs as well. Yet they want to ban the one word that's typically black-exclusive? Yea ok...
 

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Who gives a crap who says what to who on the field? these are adult men competing against each other. And eliminating this word is absolutely targeting black players. just like throwing penalty flags/fines for end zone celebrations, which was primarily a black thing. Are they eliminating vulgarity altogether? Doubt it. So why single out a specific word? ***** or p***y get tossed around too i'm sure. Gay slurs as well. Yet they want to ban the one word that's typically black-exclusive? Yea ok...

Actually I give a crap. And yes, I am white. The very fact that some people find it insulting is enough to ban the word. As well as ***** and p**y. Or gay this, or gay that. These people need to grow up and show some respect for the game and other players -- and I guess refs as well have been subjected to that. Me, I am taking that information from someone that I think knows what he is talking about.

And how about the word cracker. I hear that word more often where I live. Cracker. Never even heard the word before I moved to the south. Actually have never heard the word ****** in 10 years of living in the south, but cracker, yes. Both words are insulting and regardless of your thoughts, you should keep your mouth closed. I should say when I lived in a certain state - not to name it - I was insulted on many occasions. Got the "damn Yankee", and signs on bumper stickers that said "raise the price of oil and freeze a Yankee". Had one guy come right up to me and insulted me. OK, whatever. I was stunned by it, and something I never forgot. I grew up in Southern California as a kid -- what I am a "damn Yankee". OK, deal with it. I got a little taste of "racism" and did not like it one bit. But obviously to a lesser degree than people that face other people that are racist. I have zero tolerance for that. The point being, between friends you can joke around and make any statement you want. But NOT on a football field.

So I agree with you to a certain extent, change the rule so it includes other negative comments as well. Will give you that. A football game is not a place to throw insults around, and "stir" the pot.. It is just that simple. And to also consider that blacks would want the continued usage of this word. We all are just people, and to me the mix of people in this country make for a great country. I really like the ethic mix - adds to our culture in a very positive way. I live in a very "vanilla" neighborhood, and it is one of the things I dislike the most. I like the ethnic mix, always will and hope some day to find myself in a neighborhood that gives me that.

Liked this description at the Urban Dictionary

The term ****** is now probably the most offensive word in English. Its degree of offensiveness has increased markedly in recent years, although it has been used in a derogatory manner since at least the Revolutionary War. The senses labeled Extremely Disparaging and Offensive represent meanings that are deeply insulting and are used when the speaker deliberately wishes to cause great offense. It is so profoundly offensive that a euphemism has developed for those occasions when the word itself must be discussed, as in court or in a newspaper editorial: “the n-word.”
Despite this, the sense referring to a “black person” is sometimes used among African Americans in a neutral or familiar way. The sense referring to other victims of prejudice, especially when used descriptively, as to denounce that prejudice, is not normally considered disparaging—as in “The Irish are the ******s of Europe” from Roddy Doyle's The Commitments —but the other uses are considered contemptuous and hostile.
 
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