Should Flozell be benched as well?

[bootyhunta]

I would give Bledsoe one more performance like the last game before I turn to Romo, but I am wondering why all the focus is on him.

Flozell has been equally bad (if not worse), yet no one is screaming for McQuistan to be put in there. His missed block caused the first fumble and he was responsible for at least one other sack as well as a a couple of qb pressures.

Why is Flozell getting a pass? Just because he coming off of knee surgery or haven't we seen enough of McQuistan like we have of Romo.

 

[Doomsday101]

I would give Bledsoe one more performance like the last game before I turn to Romo, but I am wondering why all the focus is on him.

Flozell has been equally bad (if not worse), yet no one is screaming for McQuistan to be put in there. His missed block caused the first fumble and he was responsible for at least one other sack as well as a a couple of qb pressures.

Why is Flozell getting a pass? Just because he coming off of knee surgery or haven't we seen enough of McQuistan like we have of Romo.

Flo had a bad game but he is not going to get benched, Watkins had a bad game he is not getting benched and Roy Williams did not have a good game he is not getting benched either. We had several guys who made mistakes in this ball game but it is 1 game not the season and lucky for Dallas we don't have a coach running around benching players after a bad game.

 

[Stautner]

I would give Bledsoe one more performance like the last game before I turn to Romo, but I am wondering why all the focus is on him.

Flozell has been equally bad (if not worse), yet no one is screaming for McQuistan to be put in there. His missed block caused the first fumble and he was responsible for at least one other sack as well as a a couple of qb pressures.

Why is Flozell getting a pass? Just because he coming off of knee surgery or haven't we seen enough of McQuistan like we have of Romo.

I think it's because of the uncertainty about McQuistan AND because we remember how bad the RT play was last year after he got hurt.

Flozell is looking pretty bad though.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Adams is not getting a pass. Seach the archives. I'm certain you will find plenty of opinion suggesting that he is not the answer at LT.

Having said that, I dont' think he was the issue against the Eagles. The pressure that killed us came right up the middle. That's the Center/Guard assignment but more then that, it's the blitz pick up. We didn't do a good job, at all, of picking up the overload throught the 1/2 Gap. Probably should have moved the pocket a bit as well but doesn't matter. Everybody we play is going to try and do the same thing. We should get plenty of opportunity to get it right. We are going to see it every week from here on out.

 

[Doomsday101]

Adams is not getting a pass. Seach the archives. I'm certain you will find plenty of opinion suggesting that he is not the answer at LT.

Having said that, I dont' think he was the issue against the Eagles. The pressure that killed us came right up the middle. That's the Center/Guard assignment but more then that, it's the blitz pick up. We didn't do a good job, at all, of picking up the overload throught the 1/2 Gap. Probably should have moved the pocket a bit as well but doesn't matter. Everybody we play is going to try and do the same thing. We should get plenty of opportunity to get it right. We are going to see it every week from here on out.

Not exactly, Flo did let his man come inside of him and you can't do that. It is the fast rout to the QB and when Philly was putting 3 guys bunched up Flo needed to block down and at times he didn't.

 

[Doomsday]

Last time I checked Flo was still recovering from an injury and playing his way back. If he continues to struggle then yes he should be benched.

 

[bootyhunta]

Flo had a bad game

He has had more than one bad game. He was terrible vs Jacksonville as well.

Watkins had a bad game he is not getting benched

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Coleman comes back this week. We might see a bit less of Watkins than we have the first four games

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Adams is not getting a pass. Seach the archives. I'm certain you will find plenty of opinion suggesting that he is not the answer at LT.

Having said that, I dont' think he was the issue against the Eagles. The pressure that killed us came right up the middle. That's the Center/Guard assignment but more then that, it's the blitz pick up. We didn't do a good job, at all, of picking up the overload throught the 1/2 Gap. Probably should have moved the pocket a bit as well but doesn't matter. Everybody we play is going to try and do the same thing. We should get plenty of opportunity to get it right. We are going to see it every week from here on out.

I was a little surprised that Gregg Williams didnt do that. I know their best corner was out, but usually he is still extremely aggressive.

 

[Rack]

Adams is not getting a pass. Seach the archives. I'm certain you will find plenty of opinion suggesting that he is not the answer at LT.

Having said that, I dont' think he was the issue against the Eagles. The pressure that killed us came right up the middle. That's the Center/Guard assignment but more then that, it's the blitz pick up. We didn't do a good job, at all, of picking up the overload throught the 1/2 Gap. Probably should have moved the pocket a bit as well but doesn't matter. Everybody we play is going to try and do the same thing. We should get plenty of opportunity to get it right. We are going to see it every week from here on out.

You've got to be kidding me... did you even WATCH the game?


There were at least THREE times he was responsible for blocking the defensive TACKLE (Darwin Walker) but didn't even attempt the block. That ends up being pressure UP THE MIDDLE but the responsibility was Adams'. If the Center has a man directly over him, and the LG has another man in his inside gap, guess who's job it is to block the guy on the LG's OUTSIDE shoulder?


That's right, Flozell Adams. You block from the inside-out, not the outside-in.

 

[Big D]

You can add the entire offensive line to that.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Not exactly, Flo did let his man come inside of him and you can't do that. It is the fast rout to the QB and when Philly was putting 3 guys bunched up Flo needed to block down and at times he didn't.

So are you saying then that Flo was the problem? Are you suggesting that Adams was the main reason Bledsoe played the way he did? Flo had two bad plays that I can recall right off the top of my head. I honestly don't blame the sack, near the end of the 4th quarter on him. Bledsoe created that sack when he stepped as far up in the pocket as he did. Either way, I don't think there's any doubt where we got whipped. The Eagles brought pressure right up the middle and we didn't get it blocked. I can't say that Adams played a great game but it's hard for me to say the he was the primary reason we lost.

 

[Doomsday101]

So are you saying then that Flo was the problem? Are you suggesting that Adams was the main reason Bledsoe played the way he did? Flo had two bad plays that I can recall right off the top of my head. I honestly don't blame the sack, near the end of the 4th quarter on him. Bledsoe created that sack when he stepped as far up in the pocket as he did. Either way, I don't think there's any doubt where we got whipped. The Eagles brought pressure right up the middle and we didn't get it blocked. I can't say that Adams played a great game but it's hard for me to say the he was the primary reason we lost.

I'm saying Flo made mistakes in that game, I'm saying Kosier made mistake in that game as well as Rivera and yes Bledsoe made mistakes. I'm not laying blame on 1 person on this team like so many others are doing. This team made mistakes and it was the reason why we lost. I'm not saying primary reason those are your words not mine, I don't play this BS game that you guys do where you need a single scape goat to lay your blame on.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You've got to be kidding me... did you even WATCH the game?


There were at least THREE times he was responsible for blocking the defensive TACKLE (Darwin Walker) but didn't even attempt the block. That ends up being pressure UP THE MIDDLE but the responsibility was Adams'. If the Center has a man directly over him, and the LG has another man in his inside gap, guess who's job it is to block the guy on the LG's OUTSIDE shoulder?


That's right, Flozell Adams. You block from the inside-out, not the outside-in.

Wow, this is completely incorrect. In a blitz right up the middle, the job of the 3 technique, is to engage the Guard with gap responsability and tie him. If you can pinch, that's fine but typically what happens is that if you reach to try and pinch on the overload, the angle is bad and the DT is going to run you over because he too is shooting the opposite gap or bull rushing the Guard heads up. It's a question of balance. In that situation, the RB or TE has to pick up the blitz. I agree that the LT has to pinch down but they also have to check the OLB and or the safety. It's not as simple as just pinching down on the DT. If you re read my post, I acknowledge the fact that I saw two negative plays by Adams right off the top of my head. However, the issue with our pass protection, from what I was was the fact that the Eagles used multiple rushers to shoot the 1/2 gap to create pressure right up the middle. That is not the responsability of the OT.

Did I even watch the game? Don't be jackass Rack. You know better then that.

 

[acheman]

See my thread from yesterday.
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66348

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'm saying Flo made mistakes in that game, I'm saying Kosier made mistake in that game as well as Rivera and yes Bledsoe made mistakes. I'm not laying blame on 1 person on this team like so many others are doing. This team made mistakes and it was the reason why we lost. I'm not saying primary reason those are your words not mine, I don't play this BS game that you guys do where you need a single scape goat to lay your blame on.

They are my question to you. Your words to me were "Not exactly". Not exactly what? I never once implied that he played a great game. I said he was not the issue against the Eagles. The pressure that killed us came from the middle of our OL. Having said that, the OL also gave Bledsoe time. It wasn't all the OL. When you play the Eagles, you know your going to get pressure and you know a guy like Bledsoe is going to take a few sacks. It's not as if our OL is made up of Pro Bowl quality players. I guess I just don't believe that they were as much to blame as some may think. They could have definatly played better but at the end of the game, they actually gave Bledsoe pretty good time to throw the ball and he failed. They also produced in the running game.

 

[dboyz]

They are my question to you. Your words to me were "Not exactly". Not exactly what? I never once implied that he played a great game. I said he was not the issue against the Eagles. The pressure that killed us came from the middle of our OL. Having said that, the OL also gave Bledsoe time. It wasn't all the OL. When you play the Eagles, you know your going to get pressure and you know a guy like Bledsoe is going to take a few sacks. It's not as if our OL is made up of Pro Bowl quality players. I guess I just don't believe that they were as much to blame as some may think. They could have definatly played better but at the end of the game, they actually gave Bledsoe pretty good time to throw the ball and he failed. They also produced in the running game.

I disagree and would have to go with Rack on this one. Flozell was the biggest problem and Kosier also had a few bad moments. When they overloaded the three interior linemen can't block everyone. Flozell cannot let a rusher go inside of him. I think that is what Grizz's film analysis shows as well. Parcells also said that Gurode played well.

 

[Doomsday101]

They are my question to you. Your words to me were "Not exactly". Not exactly what? I never once implied that he played a great game. I said he was not the issue against the Eagles. The pressure that killed us came from the middle of our OL. Having said that, the OL also gave Bledsoe time. It wasn't all the OL. When you play the Eagles, you know your going to get pressure and you know a guy like Bledsoe is going to take a few sacks. It's not as if our OL is made up of Pro Bowl quality players. I guess I just don't believe that they were as much to blame as some may think. They could have definatly played better but at the end of the game, they actually gave Bledsoe pretty good time to throw the ball and he failed. They also produced in the running game.

He allowed his man to go on his inside on more than just a couple of plays and you do not allow the man to come on your inside he was too block down and did not do that. So yes he did allow some easy sacks and no they did not allow Bledsoe pretty good time to throw the ball he was harrassed most of the day and was getting hit quite a bit even Aikman said the same thing in the game. You believe what you want but Flo did not have a good game by any means and he was not the only one

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I disagree and would have to go with Rack on this one. Flozell was the biggest problem and Kosier also had a few bad moments. When they overloaded the three interior linemen can't block everyone. Flozell cannot let a rusher go inside of him. I think that is what Grizz's film analysis shows as well. Parcells also said that Gurode played well.

Your opinion is welcome.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

I've said it for three years like a broken record...

FLO is a Right Tackle and that's where he should be...NOT Left.

He would be in pro-bowl after pro-bowl as a RT. We need a true LT and it ain't Flo.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

He allowed his man to go on his inside on more than just a couple of plays and you do not allow the man to come on your inside he was too block down and did not do that. So yes he did allow some easy sacks and no they did not allow Bledsoe pretty good time to throw the ball he was harrassed most of the day and was getting hit quite a bit even Aikman said the same thing in the game. You believe what you want but Flo did not have a good game by any means and he was not the only one

So then you are saying that Flo was the primary reason or not?